iPhone SDK Already Seeded to Some Developers?

[robogobo]

It'd be nice if you people would use proper grammar and punctuation whilst you spew your pointless nerd drivel, you know, like you were taught in the fifth grade.

You're too sense wood bee reel suite than.

 

[twoboxen]

Did that make you feel better, or more important?

It made me laugh.

 

[Plutonius]

I'm wondering what people's reactions will be when they find that they have to pay for and download their iPhone/iTouch apps through iTunes (similar to the games). The SDK will allow apps to be made for the iPhone/iTouch but Apple will not willing give up control over what goes into the iPhone/iTouch and it will not be free of charge.

 

[emotion]

I'm wondering what people's reactions will be when they find that they have to pay for and download their iPhone/iTouch apps through iTunes (similar to the games). The SDK will allow apps to be made for the iPhone/iTouch but Apple will not willing give up control over what goes into the iPhone/iTouch and it will not be free of charge.

If the app is worth paying for then I'll pay.

The reaction will be the same as for iPod games surely?

 

[pgr3master]

I would like the ability to view iWork/Word & PDF files on my Touch.

you can already view them in safari how about great word app that you edit them with!

plus Mail and notes for touch and Games!!!!!!

We need mono to be ported to ipod touch/iphone that would be great as then i could build apps for the great devices

 

[Plutonius]

If the app is worth paying for then I'll pay.

The reaction will be the same as for iPod games surely?

I'm sure the apps will be worth paying for and most people will not have an issue with it.

Many people will though and I'm sure some people think that they are going to use the SDK to write custom applications for their own iPhone/iTouch.

 

[tennez]

I'm trying to think what new app can the come up to the iphone/touch...Jailbreak has open a new world...I have nes, maps, mail and the notes...what else could I need?

 

[crackermac]

Anyone try google docs on an iPhone? Curious how well they work.

 

[MacDonaldsd]

Does anyone reckon this will be confirmed ?

It seems reasonable that some members have early access to the SDK but why not just release to all ?

 

[Iroganai]

It seems reasonable that some members have early access to the SDK but why not just release to all ?

Releasing the SDK is a huge liability; once it goes public, you cannot change the APIs. Microsoft makes painstaking effort to reproduce each original feature, even a bug in the old API, into the new version of Windows so that old apps which relies on the old bugs continue to work.
Apple is known to easily drop backward compatibility, but even Apple does it only when it goes from Panther to Tiger, Tiger to Leopard, etc.

So it's understandable they will keep the SDK to the select few until the spec is really finalized.

 

[Random Ping]

Apple is working on Clang so I expect developers will be able to use C, C++, and ObjC.

Thanks for the link on Clang! I have almost always ignored the diagnostics coming from the gcc compiler (especially when dealing with C++ templates) because they are usually gibberish. I just jump to the line nearest line number and study the code until I figure it out. Clang looks really nice.

 

[Random Ping]

I mean what is a keynote without steve showing us what the SDK can do and then have us go home and be able to make use of that, that day.

I agree. I expect several supported 3rd party iPhone applications to be available at MacWorld. I think we are going to see another pop in iPhone iTouch sales next quarter.

 

[Random Ping]

Releasing the SDK is a huge liability;

I agree. It is a pretty much a binding contract between that platform creator (i.e., Apple) and the software developers. Apple wants to make sure they get this right.

 

[coleridge78]

Just give me the ability to hook up to our Exchange Servers without having to ask IT to do any changes on their end. Have that and iPhone will take off in the business world. Well soon as they add copy and paste, search, To Do, saving documents and some other little tidbits missing.

Agreed on the copy/paste etc, but just stop with the Exchange stuff.

Exchange is a joke, and this perception in certain circles that it is THE "enterprise" or "business" email system is an absurdly ignorant delusion. Its penetration in the largest sectors like Higher Ed, Finance, and research science (read: Biomed, folks), is nearly zero. And if you think Higher Ed doesn't count as "enterprise", then you're using a meaningless, retardo-analyst definition of the word.

It is a flip of a switch to enable IMAP use of an Exchange Server, and anyone who thinks it adds any security risk is a FUD-sucking moron who has demonstrated by their lack of brains that they should never be allowed to work in this industry again.

 

[crackermac]

Agreed on the copy/paste etc, but just stop with the Exchange stuff.

Exchange is a joke, and this perception in certain circles that it is THE "enterprise" or "business" email system is an absurdly ignorant delusion. Its penetration in the largest sectors like Higher Ed, Finance, and research science (read: Biomed, folks), is nearly zero. And if you think Higher Ed doesn't count as "enterprise", then you're using a meaningless, retardo-analyst definition of the word.

It is a flip of a switch to enable IMAP use of an Exchange Server, and anyone who thinks it adds any security risk is a FUD-sucking moron who has demonstrated by their lack of brains that they should never be allowed to work in this industry again.

Can you sync contacts, notes, calendar through IMAP?

 

[coleridge78]

Can you sync contacts, notes, calendar through IMAP?

If you want to, yes, you can. Many apps do, including Leopard's Mail.

Or, you can use protocols that were designed for those things instead of the brain-dead, broken, and brittle MAPI. Either way, the user gets what they want, more reliably than with Exchange.

 

[maestro55]

I am looking forward to this, what I am afraid of is that the programs will be written and then Apple will give a way for the programs to be purchased in iTunes thus giving Apple a share of the profits rather than the software being freely available via some kind of installer like with the JailBreak. I haven't done the JailBreak again since I upgraded to 1.1.2 but when I was running apps like sendsong and terminal and tinyproxy I was able to get much more productivity from the phone.

 

[inblosam]

If I wanted an early start...

If I wanted to get an early start on creating an app for the new iPhone SDK, what would everyone suggest? Build one like the Jailbreak apps and wait to see what's different? Or something else?

Is there some resource that discusses how to build native apps right now that could be installed via Jailbreak?

 

[lduncan]

If I wanted to get an early start on creating an app for the new iPhone SDK, what would everyone suggest? Build one like the Jailbreak apps and wait to see what's different? Or something else?

Is there some resource that discusses how to build native apps right now that could be installed via Jailbreak?

You can install the reverse engineered toolchain following these instructions here:

http://urltea.com/1yen

It's not for the faint hearted. There are incomplete headers (you'll have to hunt for those), and no debugging tools other than NSLog();

Developing for the iPhone is more or less the same as developing for OX desktop, sans InterfaceBuilder. All the familiar classes are there (some with a few name changes).

So as far as an advanced SDK, it's there already. The bulk of those API's aren't going to change in the official SDK, so you can get a jump start before release in February.

 

[emotion]

Interesting to see that based on a form of virtualisation (LLVM).

 

[lduncan]

Apple have contributed a fair bit to LLVM from what i've seen.

 

[emotion]

Apple have contributed a fair bit to LLVM from what i've seen.

I'm not super aware of it but it solves a few problems with multiple platforms and languages.

 

[applerdf]

Official iPhone Apps Coming in 6 Weeks

A followup to this article with some more Macworld specific rumors is posted at http://applerdf.com/2007/11/official-iphone-apps-coming-in.html

 

[Iroganai]

Is there some resource that discusses how to build native apps right now that could be installed via Jailbreak?

I guess you have some experience with XCode & Objective-C & Cocoa,
but if not, I strongly suggest you to make a small app on the mac.

 

[TurboSC]

Releasing the SDK is a huge liability; once it goes public, you cannot change the APIs. Microsoft makes painstaking effort to reproduce each original feature, even a bug in the old API, into the new version of Windows so that old apps which relies on the old bugs continue to work.
Apple is known to easily drop backward compatibility, but even Apple does it only when it goes from Panther to Tiger, Tiger to Leopard, etc.

So it's understandable they will keep the SDK to the select few until the spec is really finalized.

On Point. Regardless of how much testing and crunching they do over at Apple, someone's bound to find a way in for the community When the SDK is released, the floodgates will open.