What's the argument for locking 3rd party apps out of the iPod Touch? Because they might bring down a wireless access point somewhere right?
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What's the argument for locking 3rd party apps out of the iPod Touch? Because they might bring down a wireless access point somewhere right?
Sorry, I didn't mean to include the part about bringing AT&T's network down. I agree -- that comment is FUD.
I read your comment as "Apple doesn't have a good reason for not having released a SDK yet". If that's not what you meant, I apologize.
^ Very good point, but why not just release a real sdk that uses universal binaries, even if the chips aren't out yet? I'm not a programmer so I don't know the implications of that or if its possible to be pre-universal. Either way they could have rosetta on the intel chips running arm code
My understanding is that apple is using arm compatible processors, which means that they are code compatible. My smartphone runs the same software on its motorola processor as my friends pocket pc runs using the intel processor, IE they are code compatible, there are not different binaries for different processors because they are the same to the programs.
Meaning changing processors should require little or no change in the actual software.
Sorry, I didn't mean to include the part about bringing AT&T's network down. I agree -- that comment is FUD.
I read your comment as "Apple doesn't have a good reason for not having released a SDK yet". If that's not what you meant, I apologize.
No worries!
Its early in the morning!
I think the main reason for that is ease of use. With a touchscreen like that on the iphone, ease of use will improve dramatically. With much simpler learning curves, people will be more willing to try new apps.
Tired of the Iphone stories and problems. No open platform, no UTMS, forced 2 years contracts with specific carrires, and they are not even out here in Germany. So I ended up ordering a Sony P1 today, which is in every aspect better than the Iphone except for design.
Maybe the next IPhones will be better and more consumer friendly. But for now, I will start looking at all my Apple products and see if they are really the best choice out there. What if my Mac computers were rip offs just like the IPhone is?
Maybe the next IPhones will be better and more consumer friendly. But for now, I will start looking at all my Apple products and see if they are really the best choice out there. What if my Mac computers were rip offs just like the IPhone is?
...and most importantly user interface.
The p1 is just standard 3G too not HSDPA. Old tech
Start looking? Hopefully you've always looked to make sure what you buy is the best choice for you! One size does not fit all!
I only quoted two of your post but read most of (I think) the rest. I think that you're failing to realize that just because the people you talk to (or even just because people on the forum) all feel the same way does not mean that everyone else does. Vice versa, just because myself (I feel I am tech savy) and several of my other friends (also tech savy) do not have any 3rd party apps on our blackberrys, that does not mean that everyone else feels the same way.
I don't care what your opinion is, you're free to feel however you want, but it's nonesense to knock someone else for doing exactly what you've done. Others have said that "I don't know anyone that has 3rd party apps, therefore no one has 3rd party apps" then you've returned with "Well I do and all my friends do, therefore having 3rd party apps is a huge deal for everyone"
But the part that you are missing out is that this is by far ATT's most hyped and newsworthy product. If somebody develops a voip app for a treo it won't make the news. But the media is hypersensitive to all things iPhone right now so say skype appears on iPhone it's in the news, and hundreds of thousands of people will hear about it. Now with their other phones (which some actually do have voip apps) att has more to gain than lose by being able to pitch the fact that you can install 3rd party apps as a feature of an otherwise tired product. The main point being the iPhone already has enough selling points (including cool factor) that ATT and Apple don't really have to make concessions to get them out of the door.
When I read this I thought, "Surely not..."
I know you can't do both simultaneously, but I figured the phone would at least ring and give you the opportunity to answer a call and switch from web browsing to talking on the phone.
Nope, winterspan is correct. I just picked up my iphone, opened safari and started loading a page. Then I picked up my office phone and called my iphone. Not a peep from the iphone. A few seconds later, the iphone vibrated and gave a beep. Turns out that was a new email notification. The phone didn't ring, and in fact the missed call hasn't even shown up in the "Recents" list.
wtf Apple?
I No Longer Care...
Apple's 1.1.1 update pretty much sealed the deal for me. I love my MacBook, and I love my iPod, but as for their phone, I personally no longer have any interest, new SDK or not. I'm not going to buy a phone I have to worry about bricking with every update, or losing all my 3rd party apps or ringtones. Web based is all fine well and good, except, there are times where having an app on the phone that's NOT web based is preferable, since I, at least, travel to places where I have no connection sometimes.
I was holding out on getting one partly cause a) Apple has a history of problematic first production run stuff, and b) I wanted to see how the third party app thing would play out.
Guess I'll be getting that Blackberry Curve after all. At least the 8310 has built in GPS.
Sorry Apple, I was really waiting for that iPhone, and I was a future customer, but you can put out all the SDK's you want, it won't help. You lost me at 1.1.1.
Apple's 1.1.1 update pretty much sealed the deal for me. I love my MacBook, and I love my iPod, but as for their phone, I personally no longer have any interest, new SDK or not. I'm not going to buy a phone I have to worry about bricking with every update, or losing all my 3rd party apps or ringtones. Web based is all fine well and good, except, there are times where having an app on the phone that's NOT web based is preferable, since I, at least, travel to places where I have no connection sometimes.
I was holding out on getting one partly cause a) Apple has a history of problematic first production run stuff, and b) I wanted to see how the third party app thing would play out.
Guess I'll be getting that Blackberry Curve after all. At least the 8310 has built in GPS.
Sorry Apple, I was really waiting for that iPhone, and I was a future customer, but you can put out all the SDK's you want, it won't help. You lost me at 1.1.1.
That's not Apple, that's EDGE. Same thing happens on my blackberry unfortunately. Sometimes the page finishes loading before the call goes to voicemail and I am able to answer it
- Ebook reader
Yes, available via AppTapp. OSX has PDF printer built in. Leopard's preview would let you format your PDF files to whatever compitable. Also, http://manybooks.net/help/
- Instant messenger
Yes, available via AppTapp. Compatible with AIM, etc. Looks exactly like iChat.
- picture / file transfer
You can email pictures to and from iPhone. Also available via AppTapp. It's called SFTP.
- dictionary / thesaurus
iPhone has a dictionary. As to Thesaurus, are you trying to compose a novel on your iPhone?
- enhanced email program
Not sure what you want. It beats email programs on other mobile phones.
- sketch / drawing
Yes, available via AppTapp. You can sketch on top of photos you took with the iPhone too.
- Wi-Fi stumbler
Yeah that'll be cool. Someone will figure it out, but a laptop is the better solution.
- medical diagnostics for physicians
http://www.intomobile.com/2007/07/2...medical-images-delivered-to-apple-iphone.html
http://www.heartit.com/
Just because you 'don't know' somethings are possible doesn't mean it does not exist.
Start looking? Hopefully you've always looked to make sure what you buy is the best choice for you! One size does not fit all!
You're right
But I've been buying Apple products automatically. Just because they're Apple I always assumed they were the once I wanted or needed. Ipod, Apple Ipod Speakers, Macbook, Macbook Pro, Cinema display, even Apple router and Apple TV...The Iphone disappointment opened my eyes a little and reminded me of what you said. I think I will get the Ipod touch because I want something small and comfortable for browsing the internet on the couch, but maybe the Palm Tungsten is fine too.
You´re right. Company loyalty is not clever, and on the long run it hurts the company too.
Yes, I think the latest version of iPhone software is the true 1.0 version. The previous versions of the OS were just beta software.
I think Apple is really s t r e t c h e d thin right now. They managed to ship the iPhone in the very last hour of the very last day of the month that they promised to ship it, and they only managed that by pulling lots of developers off of Leopard and delaying that by at least a third of a year.
Then the iPhone software was still somewhat squirrelly and was missing obvious applications like buying songs online and setting songs as ringtones, and it took 3 more months to get those problems corrected.
Shipping an SDK and APIs are somewhat of a challenge, since the APIs are effectively a contract that Apple makes with its developers and it will have to live with it for years to come.
...and most importantly user interface.
The p1 is just standard 3G too not HSDPA. Old tech
3G is old tech. But then what is Apple's EDGE? Pre-digital age technology.
The Samsung has a nice new HSPDA smartphone it even looks good. But I am not ready to use Windows Mobile yet.
They announced a new phone that looks very good, maybe beating the IPhone in most areas, including design. The Samsung F700 would probably be on top of my favorites list, but it's not out yet.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/08/samsung-outdoes-itself-with-ultra-smart-f700/
Totally agree. And I'll add a few more specific ones:
Visual voicemail from GrandCentral.
Voicemail accessible from the web and not tied to any physical phone. You could do away with AT&T's voicemail and go two better - just have your single free GrandCentral number ring all your phones, and then access voicemails from the web - or your phone - just like you do email. Messages can be sorted in to bins, marked as spam, etc. Other smartphones ALREADY have native apps that access GrandCentral voicemail. The iPhone can't even use their web app, because it doesn't do flash.
Novel new forms of text input
Check this out: http://forwordinput.com/Home.html
While I am not entirely convinced of the 9to5 hypothesis, it does make a certain amount of sense. It reminds me of the console games market where, before you can release a game for say the XBox 360, you have to jump through a lot of hoops and then give over a certain amount of the revenue to Microsoft.
In this model, anyone can make a free, web-based application for the iPhone (which might be enhanced by local storage, off-line capability, and the ability to put an icon on the home screen), but to make a commercial, native application, you have to come to Apple and be blessed.
I don't get what the big deal about adding Skype or some other voip would be anyway. The quality of service would be very poor on EDGE, so if you stray from your wifi hotspot while talking, beware.
And it's only free if you're talking to a skype user on the other end.
And you're still paying $60/month for the service plan (unless you manage to hack it and only use wifi).
So they're still making money from the customer, and people will still mostly talk on the phone network. Skype is not a threat to ATT's business.
Interesting comment from AppleInsider regarding a major announcement by Apple at the end of the month:
It's "announced" one month after the iPhone was announced and it's still not out yet. Specs are still NOT available. i.e no built in internal storage. PRICING IS STILL NOT AVAILABLE.
Look at the poor attention to details of their design / rendering team. Look at the image in engadget. Backspace and the Enter key are the same key. LOL!
Screen size is only 80% diagonal size of iPhone, but looks like it's quite a bit thicker than iPhone. Thickness: http://www.engadget.com/photos/hands-on-with-samsungs-slick-sliding-glory-the-f700/187041/
Look at the craftsmanship (or lack of) of the samsung phone, especially the central button.
http://www.engadget.com/photos/hands-on-with-samsungs-slick-sliding-glory-the-f700/187043/
By the way, my samsung phone i got from work loves to crash, sometimes in the middle of the conversation. And it takes over a minute for it to reboot.
Both camps need to take a deeeeep breath and realize, it's just a phone. There's a war in Iraq, I think a little perspective is needed in these forums sometime.
It seems people are missing an interesting point in all this: Apple wants to sell those third party app's you were getting for free. Why do you think they are so tight on control? It's all about selling through iTunes baby, and the more they can control the more they can sell. Pretty simply economics.
Absolutely. Neither side can really prove anything other than what they want or what their immediate group of friends want but yet continue to make claims of "everyone".
I always assumed that real apps would come later through iTunes like they sell games and I'm completely ok with it. I'm sure there will be free apps as well but I would not be surprised or upset at the fact that they sell some as well.