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the SE will most likely join the iPad mini

I think if they go that route, it's only fair to rename the SE to "iPhone Mini", 2013 MP to "MacPro Mini" and MBA to "MacBook Mini".

Then we can have a nice organized group of neglected products, all called "Mini".

Mac Mini
iPad Mini
iPhone Mini
MacPro Mini
MacBook Mini

When you want stuff that Apple DGAF about, you buy the Mini folks!
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I don't think Apple will end the small phone. That would be really stupid.
In that case I would have to check out some androids, finally.
I've only had the small ones, 4, 5 and SE after some small flip-phones :D
the problem is no one in android market is making good sub iP8 size phones, you can try to search in google mini smarthphones, iphone 6/7/8 appears as one of them... young people is crazy with big phones as they uses it for everything, and they upgrade phone every year, they are driving this madness
[doublepost=1533890661][/doublepost]Experts calculate that only around 9% of iPhones are SE... is a very low ratio, but an important thing in markets as India... so let's see what happend, as they might reduce iP8 cost to put it to the SE level
[doublepost=1533890725][/doublepost]An iPSE 2 fullscreen would not have any sense, as SE is intended not to be small, but to be cheap!!! so I don't thing in a SE full screen
 
Let me tell ya, the iPhone SE runs like a dream on iOS 12 beta.... better than the final version of iOS 11.

That's good because I will have my SE at least until September next year and it's looking like the 2018 and 2019 X will be Apple's compact phone. o_O The 7 and 8 are functionally good but seem like a big step back in physical design. They just feel like a holdover. Not what I want in a pricey phone that I will have for several years.
 
Will the iPhone X be the small iPhone and an iPhone X Plus be the large iPhone? I think there will be three. Apple needs that one less expensive model.

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The less expensive model will be the 6.1", between the X and X Plus in size. It will be the mid-sized phone. Nothing like an 8 or SE.

If you like something that is at all compact, buy an SE (or 8 or 7 or 6s) after the above models are released in September and prices decrease. Your only option.
 
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What do you think iphone 8 pricing will be after new phones are released next month?
I don't want a phone larger than my iphone 6, I was really hoping for an SE update to take advantage of size and pricing. I'm not sure I can hold out for an SE2 (if it ever happens in 2019) and don't know that I want to pay for an SE that is already a few years old. I think an 8 might be my best bet, I am already used to the size and the price won't be quite as hefty.
 
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What do you think iphone 8 pricing will be after new phones are released next month?
I don't want a phone larger than my iphone 6, I was really hoping for an SE update to take advantage of size and pricing. I'm not sure I can hold out for an SE2 (if it ever happens in 2019) and don't know that I want to pay for an SE that is already a few years old. I think an 8 might be my best bet, I am already used to the size and the price won't be quite as hefty.
Typically a $100 price cut after the new models are released, so $599.
 
Add me to the list of people whose ideal phone would be an edge-to-edge phone closer to the 5/SE size overall than the current 6s. As for sales of the SE… its really hard to know what to read into. The SE is about to hit 3 years old, so I think naturally sales will decline -- people have some idea when a product is long in the tooth just like any other, so just because sales have declined for it doesn't necessarily mean the mix overall is the best for users.

If there are only larger sized phones announced, I guess I'll keep holding on to my 6s in the meantime hoping for otherwise (thankfully riding the iOS 12 performance improvements)

I'm happy to pay above-budget pricing for a small sized phone, it is a shame that screen size is the only real distinguishing factor (even though miniaturization is probably the most expensive thing to do with the latest overall hardware)
 
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As much as I'd love to keep my SE until someone comes out with a comparably practical phone, I can tell new model launch time is near - over the past couple of weeks my previously rock solid SE has started to lose battery quicker, take far longer to charge, no doubt just in time for the Keynote where new, faster charging is a big feature... :rolleyes: Not that I'm skeptical or anything... :p
 
As much as I'd love to keep my SE until someone comes out with a comparably practical phone, I can tell new model launch time is near - over the past couple of weeks my previously rock solid SE has started to lose battery quicker, take far longer to charge, no doubt just in time for the Keynote where new, faster charging is a big feature... :rolleyes: Not that I'm skeptical or anything... :p

Check the price to have the battery replaced. The problem is almost certainly nothing more than that. You may want to do that instead of abandoning what is otherwise still practical and solid and paying the steep launch price for a whole new large phone. It's a real shame about the size with the new models.
 
Assuming they aren’t dropping the SE...
Assuming they are updating the SE...
Assuming they want a small-cheap iPhone alternative...
Assuming the case makers are correct...

The SE will be updated alongside the X to have a “7” shoved inside a 5s with the same home button, but a larger screen going north to a notch.

That’s my takeaway. The notch won’t have face recognition, just all the other stuff crammed up there.
 
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Assuming the case makers are correct...

The SE will be updated alongside the X to have a “7” shoved inside a 5s with the same home button, but a larger screen going north to a notch.

That’s my takeaway. The notch won’t have face recognition, just all the other stuff crammed up there.
There are recent case leaks for the SE?
 
Look you dim idiots at Apple - it's not the price it's the size we SE users like. I don't play games on my phone, I don't consult social media. I want a small work tool, for which the SE is near perfect. I really don't want to have to get a Blackberry Android phone, as it will not communicate properly with my iPads and Macs. My 5S on my French account is near the end of its life and I don't want to replace it with an obsolescent product. The SE on my UK account does everything I need but if I buy another, Apple will obsolete it in three or four years.
 
Look you dim idiots at Apple - it's not the price it's the size we SE users like. I don't play games on my phone, I don't consult social media. I want a small work tool, for which the SE is near perfect. I really don't want to have to get a Blackberry Android phone, as it will not communicate properly with my iPads and Macs. My 5S on my French account is near the end of its life and I don't want to replace it with an obsolescent product. The SE on my UK account does everything I need but if I buy another, Apple will obsolete it in three or four years.
Thumbs up!
I feel exactly the same way.

But apparently Apple are hard of hearing.
 
Look you dim idiots at Apple - it's not the price it's the size we SE users like. I don't play games on my phone, I don't consult social media. I want a small work tool, for which the SE is near perfect. I really don't want to have to get a Blackberry Android phone, as it will not communicate properly with my iPads and Macs. My 5S on my French account is near the end of its life and I don't want to replace it with an obsolescent product. The SE on my UK account does everything I need but if I buy another, Apple will obsolete it in three or four years.

Unfortunately, you're in a small and shrinking minority. The industry has moved towards larger phones, developers have moved towards larger phones, and most users have moved towards larger phones.
 
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Unfortunately, you're in a small and shrinking minority. The industry has moved towards larger phones, developers have moved towards larger phones, and most users have moved towards larger phones.

I have started to prepare myself for this future, as good as the SE's size and physical design surely is. I enjoy the compact size every day, but there will come a time when I will have to adapt to and settle for something like the X.

I would hate to put a case on a phone that size. I thought of adhesive grip strips for the slippery sides and it's goodbye to being able to stand the phone vertically for making videos. The allowances and, well, compromises you have to make. The payback? A bigger screen and the further developments in camera. That is really the extent of it. Performance is so close to the SE in side-by-side app testing.

Sometimes I wonder if it's really a big deal, but then I realise that we are on the cusp of a big change in user experience and what a smartphone is. It's a big deal. Steve Jobs saw it, that's why the earlier iPhones were the size they were coming through to the SE today.

Still in 2018/2019 the question remains: in such a big market, why can't there be one good compact phone?
 
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I have started to prepare myself for this future, as good as the SE's size and physical design surely is. I enjoy the compact size every day, but there will come a time when I will have to adapt to and settle for something like the X.

I would hate to put a case on a phone that size. I thought of adhesive grip strips for the slippery sides and it's goodbye to being able to stand the phone vertically for making videos. The allowances and, well, compromises you have to make. The payback? A bigger screen and the further developments in camera. That is really the extent of it. Performance is so close to the SE in side-by-side app testing.

Sometimes I wonder if it's really a big deal, but then I realise that we are on the cusp of a big change in user experience and what a smartphone is. It's a big deal. Steve Jobs saw it, that's why the earlier iPhones were the size they were coming through to the SE today.

Still in 2018/2019 the question remains: in such a big market, why can't there be one good compact phone?

We have to remember how we got to the big screens. It all started with Android and battery issues, and the big screens were to give people something to hide the giant batteries and differentiate Android from the iPhone. Then bezels got smaller, screens got bigger, and phones got better at multitasking, and we moved from the smartphone world to the pocket computer world, which is where we are today.

The problem with a small phone today is that apps are designed for larger screens, and the UX just isn't going to be as good on a smaller device. People have gotten used to larger screens and moved on. I hated larger screens for a long time, but now that phones are fast enough to be true pocket computers, I have come to like the larger screens more and more to the point where I now want the Galaxy Note 9.

Android phones can't get the battery life in such a small device, and Apple doesn't want to continue with two different sizes that are so radically different for developers to target.
 
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Still in 2018/2019 the question remains: in such a big market, why can't there be one good compact phone?
There just isn’t enough demand. Not enough people want what you want.

Same with Xserve, 17” MacBook Pro, network products like AirPort and Time Capsule, and many, many other products—many which still have fans (to a greater or lesser degree) to this day.

The SE is still in the lineup because it’s Apple’s lowest cost iPhone. It might be updated, or it could be replaced at the $349 or lower price point by an iPhone with a larger screen.
 
There just isn’t enough demand. Not enough people want what you want.

The SE is still in the lineup because it’s Apple’s lowest cost iPhone. It might be updated, or it could be replaced at the $349 or lower price point by an iPhone with a larger screen.


I don’t talk on the phone all that much. I wonder if the Apple Watch series 4 will get good enough battery life for a “whole” day cellular device.
Edit- just so you know still using my se
 
People have gotten used to larger screens and moved on.

The problem I have with that argument is that it just flies in the face of the physical geometry of the hand and the contexts and environments many of us actually use our devices in.

Just making something bigger doesn’t make it better for everything and everybody and when the solution is to just “move on“ it’s ultimately a pretty crappy solution.

Apple built a very flexible app design architecture specifically to address multiple sizes and I really wish they would use those and at least keep something at the bottom with maybe a 4.5” screen which, with reduced bezels, would be an acceptably small physical size for SE fans also.
 
The problem I have with that argument is that it just flies in the face of the physical geometry of the hand and the contexts and environments many of us actually use our devices in.

Just making something bigger doesn’t make it better for everything and everybody and when the solution is to just “move on“ it’s ultimately a pretty crappy solution.

Apple built a very flexible app design architecture specifically to address multiple sizes and I really wish they would use those and at least keep something at the bottom with maybe a 4.5” screen which, with reduced bezels, would be an acceptably small physical size for SE fans also.

You do have a point about hand geometry. My iPhone 4s was great, I could use it single-handed. My S7 is about at the limits of single-handed operation, but it's better with two hands, and when I get the Note 9, that will be a two-handed affair.

The problem is that the whole ecosystem has moved to larger screens. Websites, apps, etc, are all designed for a 5-6" screen now, as that's what most phones and most people have. The Android battery issues originally pushed people to larger screens, but now it's the whole ecosystem and the idea of a pocket computer as opposed to merely a smartphone. Further, in many developing markets, and even low-income markets in the US, people's primary or only access to the internet is through a relatively low-cost smartphone that is really a pocket computer, so a larger screen is better, even if it's not high resolution.

I think Apple has too much fragmentation in their lineup. They do need a somewhat smaller device, but I think the SE form factor has come to the end of the line, and the future of relatively small phones is in the iPhone 8 form factor. I think Apple could have gotten many more years out of that form factor, and then done an XS and XS Plus, but instead they decided to do a full-screen notch phone as their base model, and make it comically large at that. I find the larger iPhones to be sort of pointless. You do get the battery battery and camera specs, but you don't get any unique features like the Galaxy Note 9, which packs in the S-Pen in addition to industry-leading specs in every single other category. I think the iPhone X design is the future of the iPhone, but I think Apple is pushing into it too fast, and they should have kept the entry-level device at the $650 price point, and should have kept it in the more "traditional" form factor, at least for a couple more years. That being said, I think the iPhone 4/4s/5/5s/SE basic industrial design and form factor, particularly the original size of the 4/4s are the best design that Apple has ever made in an iPhone.
 
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