iPhone SE 4: Here's What the Latest Rumors Say

[crsh1976]

I predict it will offer a substandard set of features compared to the equivalently priced Android competition. Again.

I yearn for the days of Google's Nexus days where we could get the year's hardware for $300-400 because it didn't have bells and whistles and 30 cameras & bionic face ID (I still have fond memories of the Nexus 5 from a decade ago).

Too bad the Android market followed Apple's example by making expensive flagship models tho, leaving truckloads of cheap but undesirable phones all over the place to make the entry-level and even midrange market.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

My company phone is an SE. It's the only model of phone they issue.

The personal phone is a 13 pro, but I would quite happy with an SE.

 

[1369281]

The majority of people want it on OLED and the people impacted by PWM at the iPhone's quality is a small, small minority. You've let forum discourse let you think you're everyone. It's a much better display than their 326ppi LCDs in the majority of ways.

That’s where you’re wrong — everyone is impacted by PWM. The degree just varies. Your eyes—your brain—is not somehow superior to a light source rapidly flashing on and off. It’s a bad technology for human health. It’s great for energy efficiency.

 

[du57in]

The majority of people want it on OLED and the people impacted by PWM at the iPhone's quality is a small, small minority. You've let forum discourse let you think you're everyone. It's a much better display than their 326ppi LCDs in the majority of ways.

I must be in the even smaller minority of people who truly think LCD displays looks much better than OLED. I used a 13 Mini recently and my Xr display looks better in almost every way to me.

 

[4odomi]

Right but there are various reasons/factors WHY it didn't sell well. The people who just outright prefer a smaller iPhone (like myself) as their first priority isn't a large group.

People who generally prefer a small iPhone but battery life is more of a priority didn't buy the mini.
People who generally prefer a small iPhone but wanted a Pro camera didn't buy the mini.
Even neutral size users found the $100 price savings not worth it (again vs the better battery life of the regular size).

IF they made the mini form factor more of a budget iPhone (say ~$350 less than the regular size like the current SE), I think it would have a larger following despite the less battery life and lack of pro cameras. But is that even enough to make it a good seller? I don't know.

For the Mini to sell, it needs to be a pro phone in everything, but the telephoto lens and the battery needs to be around 8 hours not 6
That's the reason I didn't buy it, although I want one

 

[compwiz1202]

just buy a 11/12 no need to wait for this.

I don't even see the point if it won't be TouchID. Just get a less expensive FaceID Model.

 

[4odomi]

Rumors about a fourth-generation iPhone SE have been circulating since just months after the current model launched in 2022. Below, we have recapped the latest rumors about the device, including potential features and release timing.

Unfortunately, there has been uncertainty surrounding the fourth-generation iPhone SE, with rumors conflicting about if or when the device might launch.

Yesterday, analyst Jeff Pu claimed that the fourth-generation iPhone SE with an Apple-designed 5G modem was delayed until 2025. Today, analyst Ming-Chi Kuo agreed that mass production of Apple's modem could begin in 2025 at the earliest, but he said the iPhone SE that Apple is using to test the modem is actually an internal prototype that the company does not plan to mass produce for release to the public. Based on Kuo's latest information, it is now unclear if a fourth-generation iPhone SE is still planned.

Kuo had previously claimed that the next iPhone SE would have a similar design as the standard iPhone 14 model released last year, suggesting that the device would have been equipped with a 6.1-inch OLED display and Face ID.

The current iPhone SE was released in March 2022 with a 4.7-inch LCD display, Touch ID, 5G, a 12-megapixel rear camera, and the A15 Bionic chip. Priced starting at $429 in the U.S., it is one of Apple's more affordable iPhone models. Previous generations of the iPhone SE were released in 2020 and 2016, so the device has gone multiple years between each refresh, meaning that any new model is unlikely to launch until at least 2024.

All in all, fourth-generation iPhone SE rumors have been in an on-again, off-again state, so there is still uncertainty surrounding the device.

Article Link: iPhone SE 4: Here's What the Latest Rumors Say

The current SE is poor value for money and it will be until it gets a full display and a better battery, a used 13 mini is much better value!

 

[Quicksilver867]

That's a bold claim. I absolutely understand why people who struggle with OLED screens would want an LCD model to be around, but most people don't and would prefer OLED on the SE for the same reasons most people seem to prefer OLED on every other model.

Yup. I only notice my 13 mini PWMing away in very low-light scenarios when it's really turned down.

 

[Unami]

That’s where you’re wrong — everyone is impacted by PWM. The degree just varies. Your eyes—your brain—is not somehow superior to a light source rapidly flashing on and off. It’s a bad technology for human health. It’s great for energy efficiency.

As if an LCD would not flash on and off at 60Hz or display brightness of the illuminating LEDs of an LCD display would not be done with PMW. Imho the colors on LCDs look more natural, OLEDs used to be oversaturated. Otoh, really expensive camera viewfinder (think $5000 upwards a piece) and even more expensive color accurate set monitors (think $40k a piece) used OLED, so maybe that has trickled down somewhat.

Either way, some people are more affected by flicker than others. E.g. I can see flicker my girlfriend can't. Not sure if that flicker can do something to your eyes, probably not. But it might take some brains more effort to compensate it than others, so it will be more fatigueing to some.

 

[dampfnudel]

The current SE is poor value for money and it will be until it gets a full display and a better battery, a used 13 mini is much better value!

Especially for the camera.

 

[RWI]

As long as it is a mini format, they will sell like mad. Apple (or should I say iPad addicted Tim) is ignoring the mini wanters far to long.

 

[technole]

SE is the best middle ground, mini was just brutal to the bottom line last year.

 

[Suicidy]

Wish they would use the mini form factor.

I dread the day I’m forced to replace my mother‘s current SE with a version that has no physical home button. She’s 87.

 

[1369281]

As if an LCD would not flash on and off at 60Hz or display brightness of the illuminating LEDs of an LCD display would not be done with PMW. Imho the colors on LCDs look more natural, OLEDs used to be oversaturated. Otoh, really expensive camera viewfinder (think $5000 upwards a piece) and even more expensive color accurate set monitors (think $40k a piece) used OLED, so maybe that has trickled down somewhat.

Either way, some people are more affected by flicker than others. E.g. I can see flicker my girlfriend can't. Not sure if that flicker can do something to your eyes, probably not. But it might take some brains more effort to compensate it than others, so it will be more fatigueing to some.

Display refresh rate is different than pulse-width modulation frequency. Display refresh rate (60Hz, typically) is just how often the screen updates, while PWM is how often the entire light source is turning on and off.

It's the difference between a lightbulb being turned on in your house at night and someone walking from one side of the room to the other versus the same circumstance except the light bulb is turning on and off very quickly.

Edit: I may have misinterpreted your message, but hopefully you agree with my statement above. Thanks!

 

[Ctrlos]

I yearn for the days of Google's Nexus days where we could get the year's hardware for $300-400 because it didn't have bells and whistles and 30 cameras & bionic face ID (I still have fond memories of the Nexus 5 from a decade ago).

Too bad the Android market followed Apple's example by making expensive flagship models tho, leaving truckloads of cheap but undesirable phones all over the place to make the entry-level and even midrange market.

Oh the Nexus 5 was a beast!

Midrange is where it’s at on Android. Phones like the Pixel 7, Nothing 1 or Samsung A54 give the user every5ing they could ever need in a desirable package. The Pixel 7 is probably the best value phone on the market today.

 

[Takeo]

Too big. I’ll stick with my mini until Apple stops supporting it.

 

[elmaco]

I will keep my iPhone 12 mini until Apple releases a phone with a similar form factor. I don't care about number of cores, memory size, pixel count or camera resolution. It's good enough.

What matters is to be able to hold the phone in one hand.

 

[SpacemanSpiffed]

I have a strong preference for TouchID. If that's gone, I think I'm going to hold on to my SE 3 as long as practical then.

 

[loby]

I hope Apple continues the SE. I have no need for a high end phone and would rather put the remaining money into an iPad or a Mac.

Agree and I am in the same philosophy. Dig my current SE. It has been my best iPhone, though I liked my 5C…

 

[MacBH928]

I am in the market for a new SE. I got the 2020 one. Is worth upgrading to the 2022 model or waiting for a newer one to be released?

 

[svish]

Many contradicting rumours. Definitely not expecting to see it in the immediate future.

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

Maybe this is why they killed off the mini brand, because it conflicted with SE being for those who wanted a smaller phone originally, and "mini" phones were also for people that wanted to stay small.

SEs are the least in size, display, battery, etc., and gives you the smallest total value/$ of all iPhones.

It's primary selling point is it's low total end cost for consumers which makes it attractive enough to warrant a purchase for consumers who can't or won't spend more than around $400 despite lacking in nearly every key area, like display size, battery, cameras, etc.

The fact that SEs are historically smaller than newer flagship iPhones is only because SEs are built from parts and designs of older, smaller iPhones that are relics of a time when consumers weren't as keen on phablets as they became later.

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

I am in the market for a new SE. I got the 2020 one. Is worth upgrading to the 2022 model or waiting for a newer one to be released?

Absolutely not worth it unless you can maybe resell your 2020 and get the 2022 for next to nothing.

If you're against getting a bigger, more expensive iPhone, but still need an upgrade now, then 13 mini is your best option and a genuine upgrade all around.

13 mini is a much better option.

Actually. SE 2022 is so low value/$ that I'd rather get a 12 mini than an SE 2022.

Depends on what deals you can get.

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

As long as it is a mini format, they will sell like mad. Apple (or should I say iPad addicted Tim) is ignoring the mini wanters far to long.

Amazing how Apple can literally ditch the minis after only two years, go in the opposite direction with 14 Plus, but the tiny and incredibly vocal minority of small iPhone lovers still think Apple has financial incentive to cater to them.

Guys. There are no SE mini or 15/16/17 mini leaks or rumors from any source whatsoever. Only speculation about whether we get an SE 4 soon or not, and whether it's going to be a "new" XR/11 or 12/13/14 style 6.1" SE.

The minis battery life and displays don't fit the chronically online lifestyle that we're all moving towards and are thus not coming back.

End of story.

 

[floral]

SEs are the least in size, display, battery, etc., and gives you the smallest total value/$ of all iPhones.

It's primary selling point is it's low total end cost for consumers which makes it attractive enough to warrant a purchase for consumers who can't or won't spend more than around $400 despite lacking in nearly every key area, like display size, battery, cameras, etc.

The fact that SEs are historically smaller than newer flagship iPhones is only because SEs are built from parts and designs of older, smaller iPhones that are relics of a time when consumers weren't as keen on phablets as they became later.

Maybe you could see that Apple originally created the SE for those who wanted to keep a small form factor, but slowly developed it into a budget midranger with a powerful processor and plenty of ram, for those who don't mind the looks of a phone and just want a powerful runner. For comparison, it has the same A15 as the latest iPhone, and for it's time it was on par with the iPhone 13 Pro, which cost $1000.

For a discount of $600, you get a mildly worse display, a different body (that some people favor), trade Face ID for Touch ID, and a subpar battery. Doesn't sound that bad to me, especially since you could just buy a battery pack for like, $30 and then all you have that's actually worse is the display - and some people actually get eye irritation on OLED, so the legacy display could be a plus as well.