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the SE is really only for users who use their phone "sometimes".

I had the original iPhone SE and while I loved the 4" size a n d a headphone jack - the battery life was just horrible. Went to Apple and got a new battery and it really didn't change anything.

The current full iPhone CPU's doesn't match what the SE battery can deliver, it is just an upsell vehicle to get people to buy the pocket TV's who actually has decent battery life (at least the first 1,5 years).

My iP 14 pro max is a joke size wise but has mostly good battery-life, just as my iP 4 used to have.
 
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the SE is really only for users who use their phone "sometimes".

I had the original iPhone SE and while I loved the 4" size a n d a headphone jack - the battery life was just horrible. Went to Apple and got a new battery and it really didn't change anything.

The current full iPhone CPU's doesn't match what the SE battery can deliver, it is just an upsell vehicle to get people to buy the pocket TV's who actually has decent battery life (at least the first 1,5 years).

My iP 14 pro max is a joke size wise but has mostly good battery-life, just as my iP 4 used to have.

My current company, and the previous one I worked for, gave out the SE, and only the SE, as their company-provided phone. It makes it though the work day.

Current average SOT, on my personal phone, is less than three hours per day. I'm not interested in a new phone, but if I was, this one will probably be at the top.
 
Old yet somewhat usable iPhone models:
  • iPhone 5/5c on iOS 10
  • iPhone 5s/6 on iOS 12
  • iPhone SE 2016/6S/7 on iOS 15
Will the iPhone SE series finally have a 2 camera version?

If it will indeed adopt the back of iPhone 16 and adopt the notch of iPhone 13, to me, I would consider getting one... Although to be honest, having the Dynamic Island is visually better...

Apple should limit the future models to the size of iPhone 5/5c/5s/SE 2016 to 6.1" iPhone 12 to iPhone 16 for those are the perfect range for one hand use...
 
I must have some weird, semi-immortal XR. Bought it the day it was released and it is like new, with 85% battery health. I charge it every night, and sometimes during the day.

IT JUST WON’T DIE!
Also bought mine in 2018. Cracked the screen just this winter, and the battery was fine until last year(I've spent some time in the tropics last few winters not really caring about it, when home I charge to max 80%..)
 
The Dynamic Island is a huge black stain on a display for no good reason. All other OEMs are moving to tiny hole punches for the front camera, while Apple is making their notch even bigger - why? Lazy engineering.
You're talking about phones that have cameras only, and poor ones at that. Not entire sensor suites for a biometric feature. An actual biometric feature, not a counterfeit photo recognition system.

No lazy engineering. Just lazy forum contribution.
 
Hmmm... this rumor is suspect to me. If true it would mean (to the average consumer) the SE 4 is differentiated from the 16 only by having a notch instead of dynamic island. Doesn't seem like enough to upsell folks (by hundreds of dollars no less) on the 15 & 16. I'm still betting on basically a 14 with an upgraded chip, single camera and cheaper cellular modem.
 


Apple will adopt the same rear chassis manufacturing process for the iPhone SE 4 that it is using for the upcoming standard iPhone 16, claims a new rumor coming out of China.

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According to the Weibo-based leaker "Fixed Focus Digital," the backplate manufacturing process for the iPhone SE 4 is "exactly the same" as the standard model in Apple's upcoming iPhone 16 lineup, which is expected to be released in September. The iPhone SE 4, meanwhile, is expected to arrive in the spring.

The latest claim casts doubt on a previous rumor suggesting Apple would use a modified iPhone 14 chassis as the basis for a fourth-generation iPhone SE. In November 2023, MacRumors learned from a source close to Apple's manufacturing process that the dimensions of the ‌iPhone SE‌ 4 "perfectly matched" those of the base model ‌iPhone 14 in its current stage‌.

While it's still unclear what may have led to the change, it's possible that Apple chose to adopt its newer rear chassis process for the more affordable SE model to achieve economy of scale at the point of production as the manufacture of iPhone 14 models winds down towards retirement.

However, it could also indicate a change to the camera system on the fourth-generation iPhone SE. Unlike the ‌iPhone 14‌, the ‌iPhone SE‌ 4 was previously rumored to include a single 48-megapixel rear camera with a custom backplate for the device to account for the design change.

In contrast, for the iPhone 16 models, Apple is planning a new vertical camera lens arrangement that is a departure from the diagonal lens setup found on iPhone 15 models. The new orientation will presumably allow the standard iPhone 16 models to capture Spatial Video for the Vision Pro headset. Adopting the same backplate for the iPhone SE 4 would seem to suggest it will feature the same dual camera setup, although we haven't heard any rumors specifically claiming that this is in Apple's plans.

Apple is said to be targeting a sub-$500 starting price for its fourth-generation iPhone SE model, despite a raft of rumored upgrades coming to the more affordable device. Touch ID and the Home button will be replaced by Face ID and a display notch, while the display size will increase from 4.7 inches to 6.1 inches. Other features expected for the next iPhone SE include a USB-C port and an Action button.

The third-generation iPhone SE was released in March 2022, so there is likely pent-up demand for a new model that includes some of the latest features of Apple's flagship iPhone models. For everything else we know about the iPhone SE 4, be sure to check our dedicated roundup.

Article Link: iPhone SE 4 Rumored to Use Same Rear Chassis as iPhone 16
I would actually like this better than the up coming 16.
It has a notch.
The functional display sets BELOW the notch.
And there is not disgustingly garish eyesore waste of space no need for its existence DYNAMIC ISLAND.

It’s insane Apple is sticking with this thing. It’s the very reason I won’t upgrade from my 14PM.
If they 16 and 16PM have the Dynamic Island I will be downgrading to the SE. But based on rumors and design leaks moving from the 14PM to the new SE will purely be
Apple is too arrogant to admit the dynamic island is as useless as the touch bar.
exactly. The functionality could still perfectly exist without this eye sore existing.
A little box pops down from the notch to do exactly what the island does.

The Dynamic Island is the FineWoven of apples screen.
 
You're talking about phones that have cameras only, and poor ones at that. Not entire sensor suites for a biometric feature. An actual biometric feature, not a counterfeit photo recognition system.

No lazy engineering. Just lazy forum contribution.
The notch continued to get smaller and serve all the Same functions as the Dynamic Island.

The Dynamic Island has no reason for existing.
It’s an eyesore, it takes up display real-estate.
It makes games terrible to play, it makes watching videos annoying.
 
The notch continued to get smaller and serve all the Same functions as the Dynamic Island.

The Dynamic Island has no reason for existing.
It’s an eyesore, it takes up display real-estate.
It makes games terrible to play, it makes watching videos annoying.
All completely false. Thanks for playing.
 
the SE is really only for users who use their phone "sometimes".

I had the original iPhone SE and while I loved the 4" size a n d a headphone jack - the battery life was just horrible. Went to Apple and got a new battery and it really didn't change anything.

The current full iPhone CPU's doesn't match what the SE battery can deliver, it is just an upsell vehicle to get people to buy the pocket TV's who actually has decent battery life (at least the first 1,5 years).

My iP 14 pro max is a joke size wise but has mostly good battery-life, just as my iP 4 used to have.

I guess it will vary by use but my original SE (current phone) had it's battery replaced and I only need to charge it every other day.
 
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This is interesting… at firs my mind was like naaah, Apple needs to differentiate them more. But in terms of scale economy, it makes sense. Especially if you think about it carefully: the size difference between the iPhone 15/16, compared to the iPhone 14, is minimal, bar noticeable. Why not going wi the same body? But, uhm… maybe this rumor is for an hypothetical iPhone SE 5. I think Apple wants to give the iPhone 13/14 body another life.

I'm not really sure it actually matters from an end user perspective as for most people iPhones already look pretty much interchangeable. I'd reckon if you asked anywhere that isn't a place like MacRumors people would struggle to tell an iPhone 12 from a 13, 14 or even 15 (yes, despite the Dynamic Island).

People might still choose to go with a better camera or battery or however else they want to differentiate the newer ones with, but I think in terms of body it really doesn't matter and so using economies of scale might actually be the better option for them.

Apple is too arrogant to admit the dynamic island is as useless as the touch bar.

I don't know. It's not the feature that would have convinced me to buy a new phone. Its utility varies, but if I had a choice between DI and the notch -- ignoring any cost considerations -- I'd choose the DI every time.
 
According to the Weibo-based leaker "Fixed Focus Digital," the backplate manufacturing process for the iPhone SE 4 is "exactly the same" as the standard model in Apple's upcoming iPhone 16 lineup, which is expected to be released in September. The iPhone SE 4, meanwhile, is expected to arrive in the spring.

The backplate could be modular from the 'camera bump'. For instance that camera bump attaches to the inside of the backplate. If the module is separate component the SE could very well still get just one camera to shave costs.
The economies of scale are just for the backplate (and perhaps frame the backplate attaches to. So perhaps same 'buttons' across the line up also. ).

If the camera lenses are lined up vertically it would be pretty easy to just stop at one lens. Possibly stuff a light or extra (but cheaper) sensor into the bump assembply to soak up some of the room. Empty is even cheaper though.

Very likely the front here is just as modular. The SE gets a cheaper front plate. The leading edge iPhone gets a better screen panel and perhaps better FaceID.
 
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I mean if the compromise is living with a peninsula and a slightly older SoC for a lesser price, I would pick this over the regular 16 any day.

Really it's just the Ultrawide lens that I would want to keep.
 
You're talking about phones that have cameras only, and poor ones at that. Not entire sensor suites for a biometric feature. An actual biometric feature, not a counterfeit photo recognition system.

No lazy engineering. Just lazy forum contribution.

Features for features sake. Most people want more screen, not sensors that rob you of screen real estate.
 
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