Saludos

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Hello. I can reasonably say iOS 13 (I have 13.3 installed right now) has definitely killed my iPhone SE.

The main issues

1)continuous reboots (frequently when battery is around 15%)

2)very poor battery life at 11am I’m at 10%. On ios12 (same use and configuration) at 11am was 40%.

13.3 has definitely worsened it. My battery has less then 2 years

3)the use with Apple Watch (as another thread testify) is definitely compromised due to a BT/Siri issue.

Apple seems to obligate me to buy a more recent, performing iPhone.
That’s unfair

Who’s in my same boat?
 

Grey Area

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No problems with my SE on 13.3. I know that doesn't help you - but if Apple is intentionally using 13.3 to kill SEs, then they seem to be picking some targets while sparing others. Of course, in some ways such a tactic would makes denials more plausible. Still, to me such a conspiracy seems far less likely than something just being wrong with your specific phone.

What is the battery health level on your phone?
 
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Saludos

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No problems with my SE on 13.3. I know that doesn't help you - but if Apple is intentionally using 13.3 to kill SEs, then they seem to be picking some targets while sparing others. Of course, in some ways such a tactic would makes denials more plausible. Still, to me such a conspiracy seems far less likely than something just being wrong with your specific phone.

What is the battery health level on your phone?

My battery level is 89%.
Yes my post might seemed “angry” and full of “conspiracy”. It isn’t. Or at least, not intentionally. It was full of issues instead. Only 3 lines were about my frustration.

Maybe my post wasn’t clear (english as you probably notice is not my first language). I’m totally out of the annoying narrative about programmed obsolescente. But, battery issue apart, the issue with Apple Watch paired with iPhone SE is widely spread. Not only here on macrumors forum.
i don’t think it’s all intentional, but a “quality” problem at apple is an “argument” right now.
 
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Grey Area

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My battery level is 89%.
Yes my post might seemed “angry” and full of “conspiracy”. It isn’t. Or at least, not intentionally. It was full of issues instead. Only 3 lines were about my frustration.

Ah, sorry, I did not intend to admonish you. It just seems to me that it is most likely some issue with your particular phone, or maybe with a whole bunch of SEs, but not all in general, given that 13.3 can run fine on others. And this might indicate that there is some way of fixing this, though I have no idea what that might be.

If I were in your place I would replace that battery. In my experience performance does not necessarily decrease proportionally with the battery health percentage. I replaced my SE battery last year when it was at 97%, because its actual performance had gotten so bad. The current one is now down to 95% after one year, but it feels fine. I have a work-issued iPhone 6 that was stuck at 100% for years (while actually needing to get recharged more and more frequently), and then it dropped to 97% over two months.

89% battery health might actually be pretty bad. Though replacing it probably won't help with the Watch issues.
 
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Saludos

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Ah, sorry, I did not intend to admonish you. It just seems to me that it is most likely some issue with your particular phone, or maybe with a whole bunch of SEs, but not all in general, given that 13.3 can run fine on others. And this might indicate that there is some way of fixing this, though I have no idea what that might be.

If I were in your place I would replace that battery. In my experience performance does not necessarily decrease proportionally with the battery health percentage. I replaced my SE battery last year when it was at 97%, because its actual performance had gotten so bad. The current one is now down to 95% after one year, but it feels fine. I have a work-issued iPhone 6 that was stuck at 100% for years (while actually needing to get recharged more and more frequently), and then it dropped to 97% over two months.

89% battery health might actually be pretty bad. Though replacing it probably won't help with the Watch issues.
Yea, maybe it is my specific iPhone, at least regarding the battery issue. Battery was changed less the 2 years ago (thanks to the battery exchange program). It isn’t brand new, but not old at all. The main issue is the mating with Apple Watch, all this combined has generated this thread.
 
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alphasports

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No issues on mine but I admit I have not yet put 13.3 on it, but it does run 13.2 no issues. Sits in the bottom drawer as a backup phone so doesn't see much use however.
 
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I use an SE as my daily driver and it is on 13.3. I agree my SE had better battery life on 12, but 13.3 seems to have actually improved it a bit over 13.0 - .2. My biggest issue at the moment is syncing/connecting my BT Garmin Forerunner 35. I have to constantly close/relaunch the Garmin app before the watch wants to sync. This process never had an issue on 12.

My SE does not do to well when it gets under 10%-15% battery, usually when I notice it that low I go to turn on low battery mode, but the iPhone decides to turn off instead. I have learned to live with it by never letting it get that low.

I have noticed some of my apps are more power hungry on iOS 13 than 12, but do not have any real metrics to provide. AccuWeather and Garmin Connect tend to be the worst. I also had to disable Background App Refresh on iOS 13 to make my SE not eat the battery.

Hopefully Apple will continue to refine iOS 13 until it resembles the quality on 12.4 ?
 
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ghanwani

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I have a unit with a newish battery (replaced in the last few months) and so far battery seems to be doing same as earlier versions of iOS.

Depending on the condition of your battery, it may be worth replacing the battery, rather than getting a new phone.

What does battery health in the settings say about the battery?
 
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aakshey

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Yea, maybe it is my specific iPhone, at least regarding the battery issue. Battery was changed less the 2 years ago (thanks to the battery exchange program). It isn’t brand new, but not old at all. The main issue is the mating with Apple Watch, all this combined has generated this thread.
The life of a battery is up to 12 months or 200/300 cycles, whichever comes first.
If you believe the non sense Apple claims you’ll always be sad and helpless.
I guarantee changing your battery will fix your battery issues.
 
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jakeuten

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All of those problems lead me to believe you need a new battery, even the settings don't say so. They aren't completely accurate.
 
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sers

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iPhone SE running 13.3. No issues to report here. Running smooth as butter, but battery life could be a bit better.
 
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Roachjt

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iPhone SE (16GB!) which I use as a spare / backup upgraded to 13.3 and battery life seems to be at least as good as when on 12.4. Performance is fine
 
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SE running 13.3....battery life is 100% (replaced within the last year), battery life is just ok, but zero problems pairing with any of my watches.
 
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Timothy Leo Crowley

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My wife running 13 on her SE, complains it's kinda slow, will upgrade soon, but it works for the basics of what she needs. A new SE would be quite welcome.
 
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IAmMrB

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I was experiencing the same issue with my 6S plus the day I upgraded.

I was told I needed a new battery which I was adamant wasn't true but this did solve the problem.
 
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decisions

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Funny, my SE worked fine until 13.2, since then performance has been noticeably worse with the battery dying quickly and the phone freezing up occasionally.

Here’s hoping the SE2 is actually the size of the SE without bezels, meaning that it has a screen size similar to the iPhone 8’s, causing the rumors to be confused and say that the phone actually has the iPhone 8 chassis.
 
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Battery was changed less the 2 years ago (thanks to the battery exchange program). It isn’t brand new, but not old at all.

That's an old battery.

Why do so many people deny they have an old battery? If you're charging your iPhone a full cycle per day, the battery needs to be replaced every 12-18 months.
 
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FlyingDutch

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Hello. I can reasonably say iOS 13 (I have 13.3 installed right now) has definitely killed my iPhone SE.

The main issues

1)continuous reboots (frequently when battery is around 15%)

2)very poor battery life at 11am I’m at 10%. On ios12 (same use and configuration) at 11am was 40%.

13.3 has definitely worsened it. My battery has less then 2 years

3)the use with Apple Watch (as another thread testify) is definitely compromised due to a BT/Siri issue.

Apple seems to obligate me to buy a more recent, performing iPhone.
That’s unfair

Who’s in my same boat?
My SE is working just fine.
i would say it is working great for a 3+ years old smartphone.
 
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Saludos

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That's an old battery.

Why do so many people deny they have an old battery? If you're charging your iPhone a full cycle per day, the battery needs to be replaced every 12-18 months.
I didn’t deny. I just didn’t know. Thanks for the info
 
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funkiejack

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My SE battery was struggling at low power even on iOS 12, 13 seems to have made it nurse the battery a little better but no where close to when it was brand new. Battery health is 93%.
 
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then they seem to be picking some targets while sparing others
Oh hell, don't give Apple any ideas...

I remember my sister asking me why her SE randomly rebooted so much since updating to iOS 13, she recently got her battery replaced and the issue persisted, so it's not just you with the problem. Maybe 13.3.1 (which just went into beta) will fix the issue.
 
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