I find it kind of interesting how Apple made the SE higher in graphical performance compared to the 11 pro Max with its so called "Pro" performance
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iPhone SE (2016) iPhone SE makes 11 Pro Max not so "Pro" with its comparison graphical processing
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I find it kind of interesting how Apple made the SE higher in graphical performance compared to the 11 pro Max with its so called "Pro" performance
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Have you ever heard of sustained performance?
The Pro performs significantly better in many cases due to better thermal management.
The Pro performs significantly better in many cases due to better thermal management.
No actually I have not
Only sharing my thoughts on general observations
Thanks for the info 🙂
Same chip, lower resolution display should equate better performance, all other things equal. The pro max still has the advantage with the better camera and battery life.
I mean - would you rather Apple purposely underclock the SE processor just so the pro max could artificially win a benchmark test?
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YES, but not for that reason. Provided the better performance, and the smaller battery, an -slightly- underclocked A13 on the SE could make it last longer with one charge. Better thermals, better battery life, just slightly worse performance. That sounds like a good deal to me (as a potential SE customer)
I just wonder how many people would have seen it your way instead of coming up with a myriad of conspiracy theories about how Apple was trying to screw over the customer. I guess marketing wise - it’s also easier to just claim that it’s the exactly same chip as that of their best flagships.
At least there’s still low power mode.
You’re totally right on that lolI just wonder how many people would have seen it your way instead of coming up with a myriad of conspiracy theories about how Apple was trying to screw over the customer. I guess marketing wise - it’s also easier to just claim that it’s the exactly same chip as that of their best flagships.
At least there’s still low power mode.
People would complain about how Apple made their phone obsolete. Yeah, I guess from that point of view (marketing wise) it is easier to go with the untouched A13 way, and leave it with the same clocks on all the lineup.
Yes, low power mode is great, and if I were Apple, I would underclock the SoC even more aggressively.
Thats just awesome. If Apple wanted, we could have just one device on our pocket to do everything. We want a full computer? You connect it to an external screen and BOOM, you have it. You have to go? Take it away and use it as an smartphone.
Obviously Apple won’t do this, because they want to sell other devices. And it is more convenient to have a tablet, a smartphone, and a desktop computer separately.
Obviously Apple won’t do this, because they want to sell other devices. And it is more convenient to have a tablet, a smartphone, and a desktop computer separately.
This is quite impressive, and it makes me realize that I’m not even scratching the surface of the things my devices can do.
Yes the lower res screen obviously renders graphics faster on the SE due to lower overheads. Its worth noting though that the A13 In the SE is slightly underclocked in multicore performance (probably due to lower tdp threshold in the smaller chassis and also battery optimisation). As a result the ipad air 3 with its A12 performs better as shown on geekbench 5 scores. Iphone SE single core score is right up there with the 11 pro max though, which is what is probably used 90% in day to day usage.
The difference in the Geekbench score between 11 Pro Max and SE 2020 is 184 points. That's an insignificant difference for real-world use. It's one benchmark looking at the performance from a certain point of view. The Pro models also have a few extra hardware bells and whistles that could eat at the performance; clearly not by much. Most iOS games are not going to push the GPU to it's limits in any of the new iPhones.
This seems like a non-issue to me. I'm not sure Apple has ever touted the Pro models as having the best graphics in their lineup. So it's not like there's any concern about misrepresenting the devices.
What I find more interesting is that a $400 iPhone is comparable in performance to the $1200+ iPhone Pro models. That really just shows the value of the SE. You cannot find another phone at that price with this kind of performance.
This seems like a non-issue to me. I'm not sure Apple has ever touted the Pro models as having the best graphics in their lineup. So it's not like there's any concern about misrepresenting the devices.
What I find more interesting is that a $400 iPhone is comparable in performance to the $1200+ iPhone Pro models. That really just shows the value of the SE. You cannot find another phone at that price with this kind of performance.
How exactly does the difference translate in real life? Are people seeing significantly poorer graphics performance on their 11PM versus the SE?
This is very true. Most of the competitors in that $400 tier have significant differences in performance, storage, screen and camera quality, etc. from the SE. So it's not just that the new SE is comparable to the 11 Pro series, but in terms of overall performance it is comparable to dozens of Android-based devices that cost hundreds of dollars more.
that’s actually incorrect. Even with its A13 it still beats the Air 3 in multicore
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Homme its strange as i have seen that score before for the iphone SE, but here is the results from Geekbench’s site:
It shows the SE with 2768 on multicore, with the ipad air and mini just slightly higher. Maybe it drops down when under sustained performance to not overload the small battery? single core is solid though at 1321.
That score In the picture is from my iPhone SE ( and a recent one too)
and secondly the SE gets multicore scores over 3000, sometimes around say that figure, but other devices give more or less as well, but yes SE is definitely better than Air 3
It depends on what you want "Pro" to mean. When it comes to the 11 Pro vs. SE, "Pro" is the larger, higher-quality display, Face ID, no bezel, larger batteries, and cameras.
But if you want to focus on one characteristic that all those models have in common - the SOC (which includes the GPU)... by all means, ignore everything else.
Considering GPU to be a key professional characteristic makes sense in a machine intended for things like video editing. However, even though people do use an iPhone for editing video, and that video is sometimes produced on iPhone for professional purposes... No, CPU/GPU is not going to be what makes a "pro" smartphone.
But if you want to focus on one characteristic that all those models have in common - the SOC (which includes the GPU)... by all means, ignore everything else.
Considering GPU to be a key professional characteristic makes sense in a machine intended for things like video editing. However, even though people do use an iPhone for editing video, and that video is sometimes produced on iPhone for professional purposes... No, CPU/GPU is not going to be what makes a "pro" smartphone.
It should be worth noting that most probably don't run Geekbench on practically empty devices with no background processes running. Then there's also thermals to consider.
As such, results particularly for multi-core performance can be all over the place.
Results on the same device (iPad Air 3) before and after hard reset.
As such, results particularly for multi-core performance can be all over the place.
Results on the same device (iPad Air 3) before and after hard reset.
I don't see the point. The A13 Bionic has both low power cores and high performance cores. For light loads, it's already using the low power cores. It only uses the high performance cores during CPU heavy workloads.