iPhone SE iPhone SE mostly discontinued, what alternatives are there?

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  1. the8thark macrumors 68040

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    Apple has really left a huge hole in their phone line up. With the SE being mostly discontinued now. there os no iPhone you can get at the Apple Store that is not oversized. This is an issue for many people as we like iOS but we also like the iPhone 5/SE size.

    The question is what can we do? It seems we are forced to choose the size of phone we want or iOS on our phone, if we choose to buy a new phone. It seems Apple does not want us to have both at the phy
    Is Apple forcing us to stick with the (old tech) SE or forcing us to buy a larger physical size phone.

    I am asking the other forum users hwere, what their opinion is on this issue. So maybe others in the same situation could get some great advice of what they can do now.
     
  2. arkitect macrumors 603

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    I have no answer yet…
    I will see how iOS 12 runs on my SE and then decide if I'll stick around for another year or so.
     
  3. Johnny365 macrumors 6502

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    iOS 12 runs flawlessly. I haven't had an issue and it has the Golden master version.
     
  4. freezelighter macrumors regular

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    iPhone SE 2 is coming in March 2019.
     
  5. Relentless Power macrumors Penryn

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    Source? I mean, you’re making a bold statement and there is no reason to believe that Apple is revamping SE 2 in March 2019. Is it possible? Yes. But more or less, how do you know that.
     
  6. Newtons Apple macrumors Core

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    The options are slim. No one make this size anymore due to lack of sufficient demand.
     
  7. maflynn Moderator

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    I did enjoy my SE, and I'm a bit surprised they opted to kill it off after a single iteration
     
  8. arkitect macrumors 603

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    Well that is good news.
    Keeping my fingers crossed.
     
  9. Lowhangers macrumors member

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    Well, I have an 8 Plus, which I like. But I just bought an iPhone SE last night as I had been on the fence about it for a while. These giant iPhones are a PITA to hold with one hand and take up a lot of pocket space.

    So I will be rolling with the SE for as long as it lasts, and I'll keep my 8 Plus on the sidelines for a while until I decide to sell it.

    Very disappointed there was no new or updated SE. The phones Apple announced are not my cup of tea at all. I hate the notch and don't want another big iPhone.
     
  10. JPack macrumors 68030

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    The alternative is iPhone 7.

    The same situation happened when Apple discontinued iPhone 4 or removed the 11-MacBook Air from the lineup. Time to move up.
     
  11. Johnny365 macrumors 6502

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    It's just based on how it was March 2016 when it released. That's it. Speculation at its finest.
     
  12. the8thark thread starter macrumors 68040

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    How do you know there was a lack of demand for this? It could be Apple forcing people to buy larger sized phoes with higher margins of profit. We would need SE sales figures for the real proof of this though.

    That's not really an alternative. It's a compromise. To take the smallest phone Apple actually still sells at it's stores.
    My iPhone history is as follows.
    iPhone 1 -> iPhone 5 -. iPhone SE.
    The 1 was a nice size, and the 5 is not that much bigger but it's nice also. I have used the larger phones, though only as a test, not as a daily driver. I am sure we all could fit our lives around the larger phones. But should we be doing this? That's the important question. You talk about just accepting the larger compromises just like people have for centuries with various tech and in the end we as a society are better for it. That is one way and I guess it works.

    However it is still an issue that the rest of the Apple iPhone line up does not solve. I get your point but I do think there is a space for a budget-ish iPhone of this size moving forward. There is probably a market for it, but it might not be enough profit margins for Apple.

    I actually agree. Using the larger iPhones one handed (especially when you have small hands) is really annoying. I will also be using my SE for as long as it lasts. Then when it dies I'll decide what to do next.

    I do recommend to everyone who wants an SE to look around at every reseller and if you find it, grab it. They will not last long there. If you want your iPhone as mainly a phone with a few of the basic iPhone features and not a phone + tablet combo (which is what all iPhones Apple sell are now), the iPhone SE is an amazing phone. I even use Pages to keep a few notes on the SE. Saves me carring pen and paper around. Great little phone. I think it's the best iPhone Apple has ever made. Better than all the later ones too. It's not the best portable device Apple has made, however in my opinion it does the best job at being a smart phone of any iPhone.
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    How do you know there was a lack of demand for this? It could be Apple forcing people to buy larger sized phoes with higher margins of profit. We would need SE sales figures for the real proof of this though.

    That's not really an alternative. It's a compromise. To take the smallest phone Apple actually still sells at it's stores.
    My iPhone history is as follows.
    iPhone 1 -> iPhone 5 -. iPhone SE.
    The 1 was a nice size, and the 5 is not that much bigger but it's nice also. I have used the larger phones, though only as a test, not as a daily driver. I am sure we all could fit our lives around the larger phones. But should we be doing this? That's the important question. You talk about just accepting the larger compromises just like people have for centuries with various tech and in the end we as a society are better for it. That is one way and I guess it works.

    However it is still an issue that the rest of the Apple iPhone line up does not solve. I get your point but I do think there is a space for a budget-ish iPhone of this size moving forward. There is probably a market for it, but it might not be enough profit margins for Apple.

    I actually agree. Using the larger iPhones one handed (especially when you have small hands) is really annoying. I will also be using my SE for as long as it lasts. Then when it dies I'll decide what to do next.

    I do recommend to everyone who wants an SE to look around at every reseller and if you find it, grab it. They will not last long there. If you want your iPhone as mainly a phone with a few of the basic iPhone features and not a phone + tablet combo (which is what all iPhones Apple sell are now), the iPhone SE is an amazing phone. I even use Pages to keep a few notes on the SE. Saves me carring pen and paper around. Great little phone. I think it's the best iPhone Apple has ever made. Better than all the later ones too. It's not the best portable device Apple has made, however in my opinion it does the best job at being a smart phone of any iPhone.
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    How do you know there was a lack of demand for this? It could be Apple forcing people to buy larger sized phoes with higher margins of profit. We would need SE sales figures for the real proof of this though.

    That's not really an alternative. It's a compromise. To take the smallest phone Apple actually still sells at it's stores.
    My iPhone history is as follows.
    iPhone 1 -> iPhone 5 -. iPhone SE.
    The 1 was a nice size, and the 5 is not that much bigger but it's nice also. I have used the larger phones, though only as a test, not as a daily driver. I am sure we all could fit our lives around the larger phones. But should we be doing this? That's the important question. You talk about just accepting the larger compromises just like people have for centuries with various tech and in the end we as a society are better for it. That is one way and I guess it works.

    However it is still an issue that the rest of the Apple iPhone line up does not solve. I get your point but I do think there is a space for a budget-ish iPhone of this size moving forward. There is probably a market for it, but it might not be enough profit margins for Apple.

    I actually agree. Using the larger iPhones one handed (especially when you have small hands) is really annoying. I will also be using my SE for as long as it lasts. Then when it dies I'll decide what to do next.

    I do recommend to everyone who wants an SE to look around at every reseller and if you find it, grab it. They will not last long there. If you want your iPhone as mainly a phone with a few of the basic iPhone features and not a phone + tablet combo (which is what all iPhones Apple sell are now), the iPhone SE is an amazing phone. I even use Pages to keep a few notes on the SE. Saves me carring pen and paper around. Great little phone. I think it's the best iPhone Apple has ever made. Better than all the later ones too. It's not the best portable device Apple has made, however in my opinion it does the best job at being a smart phone of any iPhone.
     
  13. pika2000 macrumors 68040

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    Are you sure about that? Is the hole that "huge"?

    There's literally no Android flagship having less than 5" screen today. Sony is the last one with the XZ2 compact. Add on the growth market in emerging market where the market prefers larger screen in general. As much as I love the 5/5S/SE form factor as well, Apple is not really leaving a huge hole. It's like discontinuing the iPod. Sure, there's a niche market for it, the the trend in not there to support the investment.
     
  14. Newtons Apple macrumors Core

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    LOL! Another conspiracy theory.

    Apple like money and if enough were buying to make it worth it, they would make the phone. That is my proof, it is better than yours
     
  15. Velin macrumors 65816

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    Get a new iPhone 7, great robust phone for only $450. Or get an iPhone 8. Or buy a preowned X.
     
  16. the8thark thread starter macrumors 68040

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    How do you know there was a lack of demand for this? It could be Apple forcing people to buy larger sized phoes with higher margins of profit. We would need SE sales figures for the real proof of this though.

    That's not really an alternative. It's a compromise. To take the smallest phone Apple actually still sells at it's stores.
    My iPhone history is as follows.
    iPhone 1 -> iPhone 5 -. iPhone SE.
    The 1 was a nice size, and the 5 is not that much bigger but it's nice also. I have used the larger phones, though only as a test, not as a daily driver. I am sure we all could fit our lives around the larger phones. But should we be doing this? That's the important question. You talk about just accepting the larger compromises just like people have for centuries with various tech and in the end we as a society are better for it. That is one way and I guess it works.

    However it is still an issue that the rest of the Apple iPhone line up does not solve. I get your point but I do think there is a space for a budget-ish iPhone of this size moving forward. There is probably a market for it, but it might not be enough profit margins for Apple.

    I actually agree. Using the larger iPhones one handed (especially when you have small hands) is really annoying. I will also be using my SE for as long as it lasts. Then when it dies I'll decide what to do next.

    I do recommend to everyone who wants an SE to look around at every reseller and if you find it, grab it. They will not last long there. If you want your iPhone as mainly a phone with a few of the basic iPhone features and not a phone + tablet combo (which is what all iPhones Apple sell are now), the iPhone SE is an amazing phone. I even use Pages to keep a few notes on the SE. Saves me carring pen and paper around. Great little phone. I think it's the best iPhone Apple has ever made. Better than all the later ones too. It's not the best portable device Apple has made, however in my opinion it does the best job at being a smart phone of any iPhone.
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    Apple know most people will just buy the higher priced iPhone if the one they wanted is discontinued. Of the majority of SE customers just say "oh well and buy another iPhone still" why would Apple ignore that? It's not like the SE customers will all move to android phones.

    Apple is turning the SE customers into more expensive iPhone customers through SE obsoletion.
     
  17. FFR Suspended

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    I’m pretty sure the margins on the se were much higher than the iPhone 7.

    iPhone design and most of the components were from 2012 vs 2016.

    I agree with the other posters regarding demand.

    if Apple were deprecating products just for the sake of it, don’t believe they would still offer the iPod Touch.
     
  18. Deguello macrumors 6502a

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    Well, the fact that they offer something besides the Plus/Max would be an indicator that “forcing” people to buy larger phones isn’t the case.
     
  19. arkitect macrumors 603

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    All the options available are large phones. Certainly larger than the SE, alternatives for which this thread is about.

    So yes, Apple are forcing us to go bigger if we want to stick with iOS.
     
  20. actcyclist macrumors regular

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    I know my SE will last a lot longer and am happy with it. However, I'm considering whether the camera is too far behind and I am finding Apple Music cramped on the SE.

    If I can't buy a mini phone, I'd be more inclined to get the XR for the camera quality rather than the 8. I figure once I'm forced to use it two handed there's not much difference in sizes.
     
  21. Deguello macrumors 6502a

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    Yes, Apple is “forcing” you to go bigger but there is zero evidence that it’s simply for the sake of larger screens, per se — since there is an Xs and an Xs Max, not just the smaller Xs — and not because there isn’t sufficient demand for smaller phones.
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    http://fortune.com/2016/04/04/apple-iphone-se-3/

    https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/06/how-much-iphone-x-costs-apple-to-make/

    The profit margin on the SE and the 8 is identical.
     
  22. Newtons Apple macrumors Core

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    How do you know there is a demand? My proof is Apple no longer offering it.

    I know you are disappointing but it will not change anything.

    People with smaller hands will have to look elsewhere!
     
  23. maflynn Moderator

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    Does it really matter? The SE is gone, and the reasons behind its demise is not that important.

    Personally, its more likely that sales were not what apple wanted, the overhead and line complexity also were factors in deciding whether to cancel it. That is, the cost of making/marketing and selling.

    I think the days of the small phone are gone, I loved my SE, but I couldn't imagine going back to that now, and I suspect many other people have long moved on.
     
  24. profets macrumors 601

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    Giullherme Rambo (or Steve T-S), one of those guys mentioned yesterday that with the iOS 12 GM there’s references to iPhone hardware that hasn’t been released still. No clue if its just temporary, or maybe some test models, but they had iPhone 7 internals. Makes me wonder if we see the iPhone 7 turned into an SE of some sort next spring?
     
  25. Relentless Power macrumors Penryn

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    I saw that. Its Way too difficult to determine what that means. My thoughts are with the iPhone XR being released, Apple is clearly emphasizing this phone to be there entry-level phone with Face ID. Even if the iPhone SE was updated, there’s no way they’re going to go back to that form factor with touch ID or 3.5 Jack anymore. To me, just the fact that they discontinued the SE and didn’t replace it with anything is kind of a telling sign.
     

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