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I thought the rule was that if you sign a contract with a cell phone company, you are allowed to cancel it in the first 14 days without paying a penalty. Will that be true with the iPhone? Could you get away with buying a month of service(though you might get some of that back if you cancel), paying the $36 activation fee, and canceling your contract as soon as you get it?

That's what I was thinking as well. They can't just disable the whole phone when you're not receiving a signal from AT&T, so iPod, Safari, et. al should work as long as you at least have a AT&T sim card inserted (and the phone was previously activated).
 
No, Engadget says that:



Rumors. As in maybe true, maybe false.

My take: There's no way Apple's going to pay Microsoft for anything.

EDIT: People need to make the distinction between true Exchange support and Exchange support via IMAP. *Not* the same.

Personally, I think Exchange is a bunch of hooey. But them suits want it.

I stand corrected.
 
I don't see why people would have a problem with their phone's media player portion being crippled without service. What good is a $600 iPod with only 4-8GB and no wireless plan? Really big waste of money. For less you can get an 80GB and play with it all you like. Want a big screen? Get an Archos, and still not pay iPhone prices.
 
No surprise here. It's what I expected all along.

And do I care.....?

No.

Why? because I have no intention of buying 10 and putting them on ebay.
 
Hmmm I wonder if there is some secret attachment to hook up 1.8" HDs up to the iphone. Not that its convienent to carry around two devices, or good for battery life

I am still looking out for the iPhone Backpack (or maybe iBackpack), a combination of iPod hardrive and battery that cradles your iPhone and connects via the dock port.

It would double the thickness of your iPhone (or make it similar in thickness to a Zune) and wouldn't be expected for normal use (i.e., running around town), but it would be an excellent solution for people going on a long plane trip and want to take along and watch several movies.

A variant could be a battery-only iBackpack so you can carry a spare battery for those long trips (I would hate to arrive at the airport only to find my cellphone battery dead). Next to the lack of Microsoft Exchange server support, the lack of replacement battery for the iPhone is the biggest iPhone complaint by pundits.

If such a device become available, and Engadget is right about Apple licensing Exchange Active Sync, then Apple will have crushed the biggest complainers about the iPhone.
 
I'm holding off on reporting on Engadget's story. Apple has already announced some support for Outlook and Entourage, and knowing Engadget's history, I'm concerned that they are getting themselves confused, or worse, they are simply reporting on another wrong rumor.

Isn't that what Page 2 is for?
 
I don't see why people would have a problem with their phone's media player portion being crippled without service. What good is a $600 iPod with only 4-8GB and no wireless plan?

A wide-screen iPod with Internet access via WiFi :)

Now, if Apple could add iChat and Skype... then it would really be cool.
 
I know. It's just unfortunate that Apple has chosen this path given how people are moving around these days and how flexibility is and becoming increasingly sought after. The early termination fee for the iphone is even worse than the regular ones given that the customer is paying in full for the phone.

You have to keep in mind that AT&T's doing a lot of kowtowing to accommodate the iPhone as it is. My guess is that giving up the 2-year contract was the one thing they refused to budge on.
 
New iPod

There was no chance that iPhones would ever be usable without a cellular contract. The far-fetched speculation about "iPod-only" or "Internet WiFi-only" iPhones was just wishful thinking. AT&T is a full partner in this venture, so they would never allow iPhone customers to side-step AT&T's piece of the pie like that.

Right, but then there is the new video iPod to consider. It's almost a given that it will include the same multi-touch technology, interface, wide screen format, the accelerometer, and CoverFlow. Might it also have WiFi? I think it will. Basically everything but the phone and mobile broadband.

Of course they won't release that until the iPhone mania settles down in a few months from now.
 
Originally Posted by Macrumors
In addition, TUAW has noted that Apple and AT&T are serious when they indicate that a 2-year service plan is required when purchasing an iPhone. According to fine-print on Apple's rate-plan webpage, even iPod features of the iPhone will be locked until the phone is activated after purchase of a service plan through iTunes.

Good for them! That is the right thing to do. It is a phone with the best iPod ever. Not the best iPod ever with a phone.

give me a break! if apple told you to walk off a cliff i am sure you would do that too! (and utter idiotic reasons why this is good as you fall to you death).
 
Right, but then there is the new video iPod to consider. It's almost a given that it will include the same multi-touch technology, interface, wide screen format, the accelerometer, and CoverFlow. Might it also have WiFi? I think it will. Basically everything but the phone and mobile broadband.

Of course they won't release that until the iPhone mania settles down in a few months from now.

And as Random Ping suggested above, imagine if that also had a Skype (or Skype-like) IP Phone client and iChat in stead of SMS. Imagine also with 80gb HDD. So we might still need to carry two devices, but we could just get the worst cell phone out there and count on using the iPod as a phone an internet device in any available Wifi hotspot.
 
So you can't replace the SIM or the battery?

No *user* removal battery.

Sooo... you'll have to send you iPhone in somewhere, or read instructions and risk scratching your phone as is the case with iPods.

No user replaceable battery is retarded.
 
From that page:

Storage 4GB or 8GB¹

¹ 1GB = 1 billion bytes; actual formatted capacity less.​

OSX and Windows display storage use in KiB, MiB and GiB - therefore the numbers are the same.

If make a file that 8 billion bytes in size (8*10^9), OSX or Windows will say that it's 7.45 GB [sic] in size.

You didn't lose .55 GB, it's just a numbering error (and Apple is wrong for using the "GB" in their display texts rather than GiB).

I think the point of the article was to say the 80 GB shown in as a graphic was an editing error in the graphics department as they used something else not an iPhone to obtain that image as iPhones are 8 not 80 whatever you want to use as a measuring method.
 
And as Random Ping suggested above, imagine if that also had a Skype (or Skype-like) IP Phone client and iChat in stead of SMS. Imagine also with 80gb HDD. So we might still need to carry two devices, but we could just get the worst cell phone out there and count on using the iPod as a phone an internet device in any available Wifi hotspot.

If that iPhone battery life is anywhere close to accurate, then even without the wifi it would be a worthy upgrade. But I'd like the wifi anyway, and maybe some :apple:TV-style streaming.
 
I'm holding off on reporting on Engadget's story. Apple has already announced some support for Outlook and Entourage, and knowing Engadget's history, I'm concerned that they are getting themselves confused, or worse, they are simply reporting on another wrong rumor.

Looks like arn thought otherwise.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/320034/

give me a break! if apple told you to walk off a cliff i am sure you would do that too! (and utter idiotic reasons why this is good as you fall to you death).

Dude, chill out. Overreactions put you on the road to Ballmerization.
 
Flash Card Slot!!!

Check your facts my friend.

The SIM card is perfectly accessible, SIM card tray can be seen in this image.

This should get everybody going....

What if the slot on top is not for a SIM, but instead holds Compact Flash Cards! More storage and makes the iPhone semi upgradable.....Flash prices are rediculously cheap now......
 
Awesome.

That thwarts all the people wanting to buy it and just use it as a video iPod with WiFi internet.
 
Contract Break??

I have a question, which a lot of non-US residents might have as well.

I travel frequently outside the country. If I am in UK for New Year's does that mean I will not have a cell phone to make a call with???

Does Cingular/ATnT unlock phones after the 2 year period?? It cant be that after 2 years they will keep people locked in as well. That will breach the agreement.. correct?

Any insights?
 
A wide-screen iPod with Internet access via WiFi :)

Now, if Apple could add iChat and Skype... then it would really be cool.

Bump on the iChat. I'm disappointed, especially as Leopard 9A466 has ditched the "Answering Machine" in iChat 4.0 from previous beta versions. Seems Apple may have planned on using video conferencing on the iPhone through iChat but may have decided on pulling it. Hmmmm. :(
 
I think the point of the article was to say the 80 GB shown in as a graphic was an editing error in the graphics department as they used something else not an iPhone to obtain that image as iPhones are 8 not 80 whatever you want to use as a measuring method.

Actually, in the original post it says "Apple shows during other parts of the video the capacity of an apparently empty 8 GB iPhone as 7.24 GB", and then goes on to repeat the nonsense that the "missing" .76 GB is due to "formatting".

Very, very little space is used by formatting. A huge amount appears to be lost, however, because the disk manufacturers use the correct definition of GB (i.e. 10^9) and the operating system manufacturers usually use an incorrect definition of GB (i.e. 2^30).

The IEEE, SI, NIST and other international standards bodies are trying to eliminate the confusion by promoting prefixes which make it obvious that a binary multiple is being used, and reclaiming KB/MB/GB et al. as unambiguous decimal multiples.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibibyte

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix

On March 19, 2005 the IEEE standard IEEE 1541-2002 (Prefixes for Binary Multiples) has been elevated to a full-use standard by the IEEE Standards Association after a two-year trial period.[17]​
 
And exactly how do you plan on opening up the iPhone to insert a SIM? It's locked as tight as an iPod (read: you can't open it.)

Wait! You can open an iPod. I've replaced the battery in my iPod--something I understand you cannot do in an iPhone.
 
Actually, in the original post it says "Apple shows during other parts of the video the capacity of an apparently empty 8 GB iPhone as 7.24 GB", and then goes on to repeat the nonsense that the "missing" .76 GB is due to "formatting".

Very, very little data is lost due to formatting. A huge amount appears to be lost because the disk manufacturers use the correct definition of GB (i.e. 10^9) and the operating system manufacturers use an incorrect definition of GB (i.e. 2^30).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibibyte

Sorry, the word "gibibyte" is ****ing stupid-sounding, and hard drive manufacturers using decimal for "gigabyte" is just a way to extract money out of people. I will never say the word "gibibyte" out loud.
 
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