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If it is O2 it's not EDGE then. Either it's GPRS or 3G.
Could be 3G capped to EDGE speeds - many suspect that the real reason for them going 2.5 in the States was that it allowed the AT&T to offer an "unlimited" plan for less.
 
Okay, so if the restore image is available, and if the ringtones are stored in the non-password protected portion, it should be trivial to add custom ringtones. Add them to the disk image, update any CRC/md5 hashes if necessary, and push the image to iPhone.

This will be even easier when someone writes an iPhone file browser; save to the ringtones folder, just like a Windows Mobile phone.
 
Why do that? It's different technology for a start....
Yeah, that's my point, they went for the technology that was less expensive to run for the carrier - if millions of iphones could each suck down 3.6 Mbit/s, who do you think pays for the bandwidth?

By going for the far slower Edge, they could offer plans at the right price-points for the mass-market. Sure, you, I and most people on this forum would rather pay an extra $30 for full 3G but enough of the general public would hesitate to kill the product stone dead. There have been tons of studies done on this and you'd be amazed at how differently people think at different price-points.
 
Yeah, that's my point, they went for the technology that was less expensive to run for the carrier - if millions of iphones could each suck down 3.6 Mbit/s, who do you think pays for the bandwidth?

I do as a customer who's shelling out 35+ quid a week!

By going for the far slower Edge, they could offer plans at the right price-points for the mass-market.

O2 don't have EDGE.
 
I do as a customer who's shelling out 35+ quid a week!
Sure you do, but that isn't how pricing works - first they choose the price-point, say, £35. Then they work out how little they can get away with providing for that amount. If the extra bandwidth cost for providing 3G is £3.28 per customer (and, remember, I'm not talking about bandwidth on their network but, rather, the bandwidth they're buying in from an upstream wholesale Internet provider) and, let's say an extra quid for the extra maintenance and customer service specific to 3G technology, they have to work out if that extra £4.28 spend - which comes directly out of their profit margins on your £35 - will attract enough extra customers to make up for the money they will lose.

What AT&T are banking on is that the money they lose by not netting the hardcore customers who know and care about 3G will be more than compensated for by the lower costs of offering a 2.5 service.

The key thing here is that the whole pricing spell would be broken if the device was actually capable of 3G because, then, mainstream customers would become aware of it and feel they were getting a crippled service. Much better that lovely, trusted Apple provide a crippled device, stating concerns about aesthetics and convenience (battery life).

Enough Americans have allowed themselves to be persuaded and, of course, the lower tariffs (made possible by lower running costs) are what has really put a rocket under iphone sales.

O2 don't have EDGE.
No, but U2 do.
 
locovaca said:
Good thing that totally secure platform thing worked out

No piece of hardware, including Macs running OS X, is secure when a hacker has physical access to it so why the sarcasm? The iPhone has yet to show any signs of viruses or remote exploits which is obviously what Apple means by security.

To be fair, Microsoft has most of the world thinking security means the computer is locked from the user and open to everyone else. Obviously Apple's approach is backwards when looked at from that point-of-view.
 
Why are these logos in the software at all? I don't see the AT&T logo anywhere on my phone's screens. Am I missing something?
 
Why are these logos in the software at all? I don't see the AT&T logo anywhere on my phone's screens. Am I missing something?

I think the image file probably is only that of the "AT&T" lettering in the top left corner, not the death star logo.
 
Why are these logos in the software at all? I don't see the AT&T logo anywhere on my phone's screens. Am I missing something?

Well, theese pictures could just be the roaming logos. I don´t know if at&t had roaming contracts with T-Mobile or Vodafone or both, but maybe they have now.
 
Forget Europe, they won'd get the iPhone for months, what I want to know is how to save ringtones to my phone now.
 
Yeah, that's my point, they went for the technology that was less expensive to run for the carrier - if millions of iphones could each suck down 3.6 Mbit/s, who do you think pays for the bandwidth?

By going for the far slower Edge, they could offer plans at the right price-points for the mass-market. Sure, you, I and most people on this forum would rather pay an extra $30 for full 3G but enough of the general public would hesitate to kill the product stone dead. There have been tons of studies done on this and you'd be amazed at how differently people think at different price-points.

No. EDGE is more energy efficient, more mature, and integratable into the phone's very slim form factor. Also, if you look at a map of AT&T's 3G coverage, you'll see that it's very lacking -- only the largest cities.

My speculation is that AT&T wasn't ready for a widespread 3G phone, and Apple wasn't going to add support if it had the design impact as mentioned above as well as not providing a consistent experience to *all* iPhone customers. Also, if AT&T spent $16m to upgrade EDGE, imagine how much it would cost to add capacity to the current 3G installs, in addition to increasing 3G coverage.
 
No. EDGE is more energy efficient, more mature, and integratable into the phone's very slim form factor. Also, if you look at a map of AT&T's 3G coverage, you'll see that it's very lacking -- only the largest cities.

My speculation is that AT&T wasn't ready for a widespread 3G phone, and Apple wasn't going to add support if it had the design impact as mentioned above as well as not providing a consistent experience to *all* iPhone customers. Also, if AT&T spent $16m to upgrade EDGE, imagine how much it would cost to add capacity to the current 3G installs, in addition to increasing 3G coverage.

Yes, I live in Los Angeles, a small town here on the west coast and we don't have 3G from ATT available to us. Go figure. I mean we have like 14 million people in this town, you would think that we rate...

Oh, well. I'm happy with EDGE. It's slow, but gets the job done. Most of my browsing is on Wi-Fi anyway.

It's worth keeping the data plan to use Google maps when I'm out and about. Used it tonite to avoid some traffic.

Oh, and we celebrated what the Brits refer to as "The day the Colonies rebelled." otherwise known at the Independence Day, so I thought I'd attach an iPhone photo, just for kicks.

Al
 

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