iPhone X more powerful than iPad Pro???

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  1. jamesrick80 macrumors 68020

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    How do you guys feel about the iPhone X, 8 and 8 Plus being more powerful than the 2nd generation iPad Pro devices when a so-called PC replacement has less power than a phone that has less functionality???

    Especially considering the iPad Pro was released only months before the A11 existed........
     
  2. pat500000 macrumors 604

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    X killed ipad pro. They both serve a different purpose.
     
  3. tambur123 macrumors member

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    It’s very doubtful that the iPhone 8/X can sustain max troughput for more than a few cpu cycles (that 15% gain that you see in geekbench). For medium and long running tasks I believe iPad Pro will still be faster. The previous generation AX cpu is usually as fast as the current generation A chip.
     
  4. Dicelu macrumors member

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    There's a way to find out: perform some heavy duty photo or video editing on both devices and let us know.

    Numbers from synthetic tests mean little, other than for bragging rights. Just because the iPP produces lower numbers suddenly means it became a lesser product? a less likely PC replacement? Less apt to fulfill its purpose? Do you even push your iPP to its limits? Some reviewers even felt that it is currently over-spec'ed. So longevity will not be an issue. You'd want a new one way before it becomes underpowered for new apps.
     
  5. acorntoy macrumors 6502a

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    Just gonna copy and paste this because I feel like this issue is going to keep popping up:

    The A10X is -slightly- slower multi core, but it's GPU OWNS THE A11. With an a11 graphics on the new iPad pros would be around the same as the first generation pros. Apple has been making strides but they obviously don't got the in house gpu's fully down. It's a reason why the new Apple TV used the a10x, it needs the gpu performance over the slight processor improvement.


    http://browser.geekbench.com/ios-benchmarks

    Apple says the graphics (metal) is 30% better than the a10, that leaves it far behind the power of the a10x, and around on par with the first generation iPad pros.

    Also the above is most likely correct, the a11 can use all 6 of its cores to provide a score -slightly- above the a10x, but you have to remember, 4 of these on the a11 are designed as power saving, how long will they really be active, and what kind of real world scenario actually gets it to switch from the 4 energy efficient, to the 2 power cores, then up to all 6? With a10x it's either in power saving or performance mode, there will be no middle state where you only have some of the performance.
     
  6. ekwipt macrumors 6502a

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    I'm pretty annoyed really, they could've put the latest chip inside the iPad Pro, i bout mine pretty much when it came out, it's supposed to be top of the heap in Apple's iOS devices and is superseded 2-3 months later... that's not enough time in between. I don't need facial recognition, OLEd in the iPad just yet, but give me the friggin fastest chip you have going
     
  7. T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 601

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    Is your iPad not working for what you bought it for anymore?
     
  8. ekwipt macrumors 6502a

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    When did i say that? What a baited reply mate...
     
  9. UBS28 macrumors 6502a

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    Honestly, what app in the App store maxes out the iPad Pro?

    The iPad Pro will be overkill for many years.
     
  10. thunng8 macrumors 6502a

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    There are plenty. Just a few that I use

    Affinity photo
    Adobe Lightroom
    Luma fusion
     
  11. acorntoy macrumors 6502a

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    Those are gonna need gpu power. And I'll just refer to my last post.
     
  12. ekwipt macrumors 6502a

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    Affinity photo definitely does, i agree... but what a great app!
     
  13. kasakka macrumors 68000

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    I really don’t care. We are talking about performance improvements that won’t be visible in everyday use at all because these devices are already quite powerful for their typical use cases.

    The iPad will always be behind the latest iPhone in performance due to the release cycle.
     
  14. T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 601

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    Then I am having a hard time seeing what it is your complaining about. Your iPad is doing what you bought it for, so clearly it can only be a complaint about not having the highest number on sheet of paper stating the specifications.
     
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    Careless. This is going to happen every year with new CPUs coming out with different Apple hardware. No big deal. It will leapfrog, so not to get excited about.
     
  16. maflynn Moderator

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    For me its much ado about nothing.

    My iPad is fast enough for all of my needs, the new iPhones serve a completely different purpose, and to be honest it doesn't bother me at all that the phones are sporting a faster processor.
     
  17. Aluminum213 macrumors 68040

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    We have definitely reached the point of diminishing returns with These Apple chips, 99.9% of people don’t even use 10% of the power of the iPad let alone any app that comes close to even touching the potential of the A10x. When the A11X comes out on the iPad Pro next year it will be even further overkill
     
  18. ericwn macrumors 65816

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    Business as usual. Has never bothered many before, and won't now. But nice attempt to stir up some discussion.
     
  19. bjet767 macrumors 6502a

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    No it's not "more powerful" because it only has a screen half the size.
     
  20. onepoint macrumors 6502a

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    ^^^ this — you cannot directly compare the A10X and A11
     
  21. sonicrobby macrumors 68020

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    The same as I feel every year, indifferent :p The iPhones usually got the new A# chip in the fall, then the following spring the iPads would get the A#X, and repeat. I look at it like the iPhone CPU is the beta version for the iPad CPU to come.
     
  22. aevan macrumors 68000

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    A11 is the latest and greatest, and it's not easy to produce these chips in volume, so they are reserved for the best selling product - the iPhone.

    Also, as others have said - A11X will not be the exact same CPU as this year's iPhone CPU. In fact, the A10X is even done in a smaller nanometer process, if I'm not mistaken, than the A10 in iPhone 7. It's almost a different CPU, just like a Skylake Xeon is different than a Skylake i7 or i5.

    But it's really not the issue. The iPad Pro 2 is quite a bit faster than the iPad Pro 1 on paper, and yet, in real life, the differences are not that big. I read a good article somewhere how the new A11 is really fast, but outside tests, no one will really notice when compared to iPhone 7.

    However, these new chips are important because of the things happening behind the scenes. All that bionic, neural stuff, etc. It enables new kinds of uses, and iPhone is probably the best device to have all that camera post-processing and intelligence and whatever. iPad Pro is ridiculously fast still for everything it does - and that doesn't change.

    Next year, we'll get an A11 iPad Pro that will, perhaps, come with Face ID or advanced AR things or whatever - while iPhone will get A12.

    When you look at the bigger picture, this is quite expected and normal. The A10X is an amazing performer. It will remain so for a year (and more) and then we'll get A11X.
     
  23. Strelok macrumors 6502a

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    How do you feel about your Tab S3 being much slower than the S8 that was released a month later?

    ;)
     
  24. sracer macrumors 603

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    I'm far from being an Apple apologist, but you can't blame Apple for the expectations that you have that they didn't set. Apple never said nor implied that the iPad Pro was "supposed to be top of the heap". You might have thought that. You might have wished that.


    They did... at the time. Now there's a faster chip. That is how technology works.
     
  25. Falhófnir macrumors 6502a

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    Has it ever been the case that the next gen iPhone has not been more powerful than the preceding iPad?

    7 was more powerful than 1st gen pros
    6s was more powerful than air 2
    6 was more powerful than air
    5s was more powerful than 4
    5 was more powerful than 3 and 2
    4s was more powerful than 1.

    Why should now be any different?
     

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