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Sadly this generation judge photos based on app filters these days.

Some posts on this thread would imply that a picture taken with a dslr is automatically a “better” picture than any picture taken with a mobile phone.

When’s the last time you saw an amazing photo, filter or not, and waited to find out what camera was used before commenting on how amazing the photo was?

Lots of great photos in this thread, most without a Instagram type filter. Then add some tuning up of raw photos in Lightroom and or apps like focos and you can get some amazing results.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/pics-taken-with-iphone-x.2089744/
 
The OP hasn't returned so maybe they are just trying to wind you all up. lol

The original question is if the iPhone X camera is as good as a DSLR. That is flat out no. But most people don't need a DSLR. Most people are fine w/ the iPhone camera. They are pretty good. Is it just Facebook & other social media or basic web? Your iPhone is fine. And if you wanted to take better photos, you can get a good P&S like a Canon PowerShot or a M43 w/ a lens or two and it will last you a good long while. Even if you upgrade the body every 4-5 years, it'll still be a damn good camera. (My Olympus OMD e-m5 Mark I is still great but I'm looking forward to the Mark III.) As always, it comes down to what your needs are and what the photos are for.

I love shooting w/ my iPhone and have gotten some great shots but for the photos I want to take, what I use them for, a DSLR or Mirrorless camera is my preferred tool to make photos. But my iPhone makes a great "2nd body."
 
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This thread reminds me of a good photography-centric comic strip. We photographers tend to obsess over having the right gear, but we also take offense when our gear gets all the credit! :p

Suffice to say that this is a fantastic time for serious photographers as well as for casual snap-shooters. Even the iPhone 6 was miles better than the 110 film and disc film pocket cameras that were popular in the 70’s and 80’s. Whether you are a serious photog or not, it’s a lot of camera packed into a tiny package. Even when I shoot using my Nikon or Olympus gear, I end up taking some stills and videos with the iPhone X as well.
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The OP hasn't returned so maybe they are just trying to wind you all up. lol

The original question is if the iPhone X camera is as good as a DSLR. That is flat out no. But most people don't need a DSLR. Most people are fine w/ the iPhone camera. They are pretty good. Is it just Facebook & other social media or basic web? Your iPhone is fine. And if you wanted to take better photos, you can get a good P&S like a Canon PowerShot or a M43 w/ a lens or two and it will last you a good long while. Even if you upgrade the body every 4-5 years, it'll still be a damn good camera. (My Olympus OMD e-m5 Mark I is still great but I'm looking forward to the Mark III.) As always, it comes down to what your needs are and what the photos are for.

I love shooting w/ my iPhone and have gotten some great shots but for the photos I want to take, what I use them for, a DSLR or Mirrorless camera is my preferred tool to make photos. But my iPhone makes a great "2nd body."

I have the E-M5 Mark I as well. Also waiting for the Mark III, but the Mark I is still a great camera so I’m in no hurry.

I think the better comparison is the iPhone X vs a $300-ish compact P&S with a standard zoom range. The kind of digital camera many people used to buy. Smartphones have already destroyed that market. My wife used to carry a little Olympus XZ-10 compact P&S with a 5x Zoom. It is a nice little P&S, but then the iPhone 6 came along. Technically the XZ-10 was still the better camera, but the iPhone 6 was good enough and she stopped carrying the XZ-10. So yeah, we are a few years past that comparison. Smartphone cameras already won, and they just keep getting better. They won’t ever be as powerful or as versatile as interchangeable lens camera systems, but they really don’t need to be since that’s not what most people buy anyway.
 
I think the better comparison is the iPhone X vs a $300-ish compact P&S with a standard zoom range.

I have a canon gx7 II that I’m still not sure about keeping. When zooming in on the pixels I can easily tell the difference but the majority of the style of casual photos I take with it can also easily be replicated with the iPhone X especially with the moment lens.
 
I have a canon gx7 II that I’m still not sure about keeping. When zooming in on the pixels I can easily tell the difference but the majority of the style of casual photos I take with it can also easily be replicated with the iPhone X especially with the moment lens.

"zooming in on the pixels" is hardly a good way of judging camera/technical picture quality.

- color range and accuracy
- low-light capability
- lens quality
- lens aperture

are a few factors.

I have a Moment telephoto (and maybe wide-angle?). I haven't used it since I updated to iPhone X. Do they have a bracket for X now? That can use the same lenses? Or now completely different system?
 
"zooming in on the pixels" is hardly a good way of judging camera/technical picture quality.

- color range and accuracy
- low-light capability
- lens quality
- lens aperture

are a few factors.

I have a Moment telephoto (and maybe wide-angle?). I haven't used it since I updated to iPhone X. Do they have a bracket for X now? That can use the same lenses? Or now completely different system?

They’ve come out with a version 2 of their lens. Less to no distortion or vignetting. Also have come out with a case for the x, 8 plus, pixel and s8.

Regarding the pixel comment, unless I’m outputting to print I really am less critical for my casual/family event/social media pics. Basic composition, balance and sharpness in the most hassle free process are more of what I’m concerned with.
 
Logic. Common sense. Yes, if you are into photography, sure you can see the difference. I’m willing to bet though that most people aren’t and if you had them look at pictures, they couldn’t tell. Probably only side by side. All I’m saying is the average person likely can’t tell or certainly doesn’t care.

Don’t agree with this - in my experience most people do appreciate a “nice photo” in comparison to a standard smartphone pic, and there are many more opportunities to get that nice photo when armed with decent gear and a bit of skill. They may not necessarily understand or care that the difference came by using a wider aperture, or faster shutter speed, or a particular lens or higher ISO etc, but they’ll appreciate the difference in quality nevertheless.
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The best camera is the one you have with you.

Such a hackneyed phrase. Think it through - the best [whatever] is the [whatever] you have with you - when is that ever the best approach to anything?

The camera you have with you - your iPhone X - is mediocre and massively limited. In years to come you will look back on the pictures you are taking now (probably on some massively immersive ultra high-def display) and marvel at just how utterly awful they look. And you’ll wish that instead of settling for the POC in your pocket, you’d made some effort to find and use something worthwhile.
 
Don’t agree with this - in my experience most people do appreciate a “nice photo” in comparison to a standard smartphone pic, and there are many more opportunities to get that nice photo when armed with decent gear and a bit of skill. They may not necessarily understand or care that the difference came by using a wider aperture, or faster shutter speed, or a particular lens or higher ISO etc, but they’ll appreciate the difference in quality nevertheless.

The X doesn’t make “standard smartphone” pictures though. You’re underestimating it and not doing it justice.
This phone makes great photos with litte effort, exceeding expectations of a lot of people. The quality of the camera is perfectly fine for an average joe like most of us.
 
Don’t agree with this - in my experience most people do appreciate a “nice photo” in comparison to a standard smartphone pic, and there are many more opportunities to get that nice photo when armed with decent gear and a bit of skill. They may not necessarily understand or care that the difference came by using a wider aperture, or faster shutter speed, or a particular lens or higher ISO etc, but they’ll appreciate the difference in quality nevertheless.

Sometimes when I’m bored or am looking to see the “quality” of photos a specific camera can take I go to flickr and filter by camera. Aside from the fact that the iPhone has been one of the most popular cameras on flickr for years, there’s a reason instagram(with all its filters) is more popular than flickr and that’s without even knowing what type of camera was used. There are thousands of “nice” photos taken with a standard smartphone.
 
Don’t agree with this - in my experience most people do appreciate a “nice photo” in comparison to a standard smartphone pic, and there are many more opportunities to get that nice photo when armed with decent gear and a bit of skill. They may not necessarily understand or care that the difference came by using a wider aperture, or faster shutter speed, or a particular lens or higher ISO etc, but they’ll appreciate the difference in quality nevertheless.
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Such a hackneyed phrase. Think it through - the best [whatever] is the [whatever] you have with you - when is that ever the best approach to anything?

The camera you have with you - your iPhone X - is mediocre and massively limited. In years to come you will look back on the pictures you are taking now (probably on some massively immersive ultra high-def display) and marvel at just how utterly awful they look. And you’ll wish that instead of settling for the POC in your pocket, you’d made some effort to find and use something worthwhile.

Again, you’re underestimating the camera on the iPhone X.

Yes, a stand-alone DSLR is better for just photos and photos alone but the iPhone X is perfectly fine as a point-and-shoot, even for people that are into photography. You don’t always have opportunity to bring a DSLR including several lenses with you.
 
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The camera you have with you - your iPhone X - is mediocre and massively limited. In years to come you will look back on the pictures you are taking now (probably on some massively immersive ultra high-def display) and marvel at just how utterly awful they look. And you’ll wish that instead of settling for the POC in your pocket, you’d made some effort to find and use something worthwhile.

This statement makes me feel like you’re unaware of the types of pictures you can get out of an iPhone X or any of the flagship smartphones these days.
 
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I’ve had a Canon 5D Mark II with a couple great lenses myself some years ago.

Whilst I loved making stunning pictures with it, I disliked the fact that I had to mule a bag around with a body and several lenses. Not only the weight was annoying, the fact that you’re carrying almost 10 grand worth of equipment is worrying too. I’ve had plenty of moments where I left my expensive and awesome DSLR at home because of the hassle. Hence, the comment “the best camera is the camera you have with you”.

Granted, it doesn’t come close to a good DSLR camera/lens but an iPhone X is a great point-and-shoot alternative. Perhaps even a budget DSLR body/lens combo.

The camera on the X isn’t mediocre by any means.
 
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Again, you’re underestimating the camera on the iPhone X.

Yes, a stand-alone DSLR is better for just photos and photos alone but the iPhone X is perfectly fine as a point-and-shoot, even for people that are into photography. You don’t always have opportunity to bring a DSLR including several lenses with you.
Not sure why you felt you had to say this twice - but no I’m not underestimating anything, I’ve seen the pictures and I’m not impressed. You’re letting the marketing cloud your vision, the X is a smartphone camera boasting some predictable improvements over previous gen smartphone modules but still trailing anything with a bigger sensor by a country mile.

Pixel peep and it’s garbage in anything but perfect light, and guess what, in the future as display technologies continue to improve, we’ll all be pixel peepers. We’ll all see the noise, the false colour, the missing detail, the ludicrous artefacting around “portrait mode” subjects, all the crummy compromises that come from trying to pretend that a sensor the size of a gnat can somehow do the same job as an actual camera.

And save me the nonsense about lugging suitcases full of camera gear around, it’s 2018. I carry an X-Pro2, I choose a lens to go with the day I’m having and I just go shoot with that, no luggage, no bags, it’s weather sealed so doesn’t need a case, just me and a small, lightweight camera. I make all the exposure decisions, I do all the photography, and the camera delivers files which will still be putting the iPhone XX to shame in ten years time.
 
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The camera you have with you - your iPhone X - is mediocre and massively limited.

Your first sentence right here shows exactly how much experience you have with the iPhone X, which is likely very little to none. Its hardly mediocre in the sense of what it can produce with Photos, processing power, augmented reality capabilities, etc. And for the record, "Massively limited" would only be depending on what somebody is using their iPhone for to begin with.

In years to come you will look back on the pictures you are taking now (probably on some massively immersive ultra high-def display) and marvel at just how utterly awful they look. And you’ll wish that instead of settling for the POC in your pocket, you’d made some effort to find and use something worthwhile.

Except your definition of "Worth while" isn't everyone else's. Nobody needs to think of the future, because the future isn't what's relevant, the present time is what's relevant and what we have accessibility to right now with the current iPhone X.

Do you have any idea how far camera technology has come with the iPhone today? No one would have gathered 10 years ago some of the pictures that can be taken produce some stellar imagery and pushed out the point & Shoot camera market.
 
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Your first sentence right here shows exactly how much experience you have with the iPhone X, which is likely very little to none. Its hardly mediocre in the sense of what it can produce with Photos, processing power, augmented reality capabilities, etc. And for the record, "Massively limited" would only be depending on what somebody is using their iPhone for to begin with.

The image quality produced is mediocre at best, however clever the technology may seem. Pop over to DPRreview where they’ve just released their serious review of the X as a camera - it confirms everything I say. Once you get outside those perfect combinations of carefully posed, still subjects and copious amounts of good light, the limitations of the X are extremely obvious - just like every other smartphone cam.

Except your definition of "Worth while" isn't everyone else's. Nobody needs to think of the future, because the future isn't what's relevant, the present time is what's relevant and what we have accessibility to right now with the current iPhone X.

“Nobody needs to think of the future” - that’s perfect.

I mean obviously photography is purely about taking photos now, isn’t it, on whatever’s nearest. Why would you or anyone else want to look at your photos “in the future”? I mean, what’s the point of freezing and capturing all these moments in time if you’re just going to waste time “looking” at them in the “future”?! No, just think of now! Use your iPhone X now! It’s all about the now, before the iPhone Y comes out at least, right? Quick - don’t think about the future, just look at the X! Don’t look past the Apple logo!

Do you have any idea how far camera technology has come with the iPhone today? No one would have gathered 10 years ago some of the pictures that can be taken produce some stellar imagery and pushed out the point & Shoot camera market.

I know exactly how far it’s come, I’ve been there every step of the way, and it’s gone from being absolute crud to being pretty mediocre for a snap shot, BUT with the big advantage of convenience and the fact you’re carrying it anyway, which rightly killed off the also mostly mediocre P&S market. None of which changes the fact that a larger sensor camera from 10 years ago will still wipe the floor with the iPhone X today.
 
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The images produced are mediocre at best.

You seem to deflect away if you have experience with the iPhone X or not. Even if you prefer a DSLR, why does it have to be relevant based on what somebody chooses to use based on their own expectations? The majority of iPhone owners are more than content with enough with what the X produces for photos. It's like you're comparing two different things with the vantages and disadvantages to both the iPhone X camera and or a DSLR. We already know a DSL are takes much better photos, but why are you highly dismissive of the capabilities and potential of how far iPhone cameras have come today where they are more susceptible to being used because the convenience and quality? Does the average iPhone consumer really care or invest that much into DSLR technology? Likely not.



None of which changes the fact that a larger sensor camera from 10 years ago will still wipe the floor with the iPhone X today.

Why Are you making this argument about DSLR compared to an iPhone X? No one here is arguing that DSLR is not a better option or takes better results over the X, we already know that, that's been reiterated how many times in this thread? Others just saying that the iPhone X is more than enough acceptable for where it is today and we're once was, nor does everybody have a cure or interest in DSL our technology. Not sure why you're conflating two different things and making arguments against yourself.


I mean obviously photography is purely about taking photos now, isn’t it, on whatever’s nearest. Why would you or anyone else want to look at your photos “in the future”? I mean, what’s the point of freezing and capturing all these moments in time if you’re just going to waste time “looking” at them in the “future”?! No, just think of now! Use your iPhone X now! It’s all about the now, before the iPhone Y comes out at least, right? Quick - don’t think about the future, just look at the X! Don’t look past the Apple logo!

I honestly think your logic is skewed beyond reason. Do you honestly think the average iPhone consumer, no matter which iPhone they are using, really thinks about the future of their photos and what photography equipment they could be using or potentially using to take better photo over their same phone? That doesn't seem like the mindset of how someone else would think based on if their content with the results that are being produced with their iPhone or any smart phone in general for that matter.

But thanks for the discussion.
 
Let's be honest, if it was better (or even close), Nikon and Cannon would have gone out of business.

Both of them are actually trending that direction. Smartphones have really hit the camera market really hard. If things don't change, both companies will be a shell of their former selves in 10 years.
 
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I'm using iPhone X camera most of the time and i'm really pleased with the results i'm getting. BUT when i'm traveling somewere, or just have some important family events, then my Fuji X100F always with me :) And there is no way that i will stay on smartphone camera only.
 
Don’t agree with this - in my experience most people do appreciate a “nice photo” in comparison to a standard smartphone pic, and there are many more opportunities to get that nice photo when armed with decent gear and a bit of skill. They may not necessarily understand or care that the difference came by using a wider aperture, or faster shutter speed, or a particular lens or higher ISO etc, but they’ll appreciate the difference in quality nevertheless.
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Such a hackneyed phrase. Think it through - the best [whatever] is the [whatever] you have with you - when is that ever the best approach to anything?

The camera you have with you - your iPhone X - is mediocre and massively limited. In years to come you will look back on the pictures you are taking now (probably on some massively immersive ultra high-def display) and marvel at just how utterly awful they look. And you’ll wish that instead of settling for the POC in your pocket, you’d made some effort to find and use something worthwhile.

Maybe side by side. I think people do appreciate it if the subtle differences are pointed out, but to the average iPhone user they likely won't notice these differences. That's my only point.
 
You seem to deflect away if you have experience with the iPhone X or not.

I’ve deflected nothing, no I don’t own or use an iPhone X, nor do I need to in order to understand what it is and what it does, there are countless sample pictures out there and countless reviews, including the DPRreview piece I referred to previously.

Even if you prefer a DSLR, why does it have to be relevant based on what somebody chooses to use based on their own expectations? The majority of iPhone owners are more than content with enough with what the X produces for photos. It's like you're comparing two different things with the vantages and disadvantages to both the iPhone X camera and or a DSLR. We already know a DSL are takes much better photos, but why are you highly dismissive of the capabilities and potential of how far iPhone cameras have come today where they are more susceptible to being used because the convenience and quality? Does the average iPhone consumer really care or invest that much into DSLR technology? Likely not.

Firstly this is a thread about whether the iPhone X can replace or “beat” a DSLR, so I fail to see how anything I’ve said is not relevant to that. Secondly, the very fact that threads like this even get started (fairly regularly at that) are proof that iPhone consumers do care about “DSLR technology” and are concerned with these comparisons. The same posts are made about every generation of iPhone in fact, by people using hoping/wanting to believe that this year’s iPhone has finally achieved this status of being as good as a “proper” camera, and that the pictures they’re taking with this convenient pocketable device are really as good as the real thing.

And I’m not going to apologise for pointing out that they’re still not. They’re still garbage.

I honestly think your logic is skewed beyond reason. Do you honestly think the average iPhone consumer, no matter which iPhone they are using, really thinks about the future of their photos

Perhaps they aren’t, but they should. And once the instagram and Facebook likes and other instant gratifications of the now die down, and the years pass, they’ll wish that they had.
 
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Not sure why you felt you had to say this twice - but no I’m not underestimating anything, I’ve seen the pictures and I’m not impressed. You’re letting the marketing cloud your vision, the X is a smartphone camera boasting some predictable improvements over previous gen smartphone modules but still trailing anything with a bigger sensor by a country mile.

Pixel peep and it’s garbage in anything but perfect light, and guess what, in the future as display technologies continue to improve, we’ll all be pixel peepers. We’ll all see the noise, the false colour, the missing detail, the ludicrous artefacting around “portrait mode” subjects, all the crummy compromises that come from trying to pretend that a sensor the size of a gnat can somehow do the same job as an actual camera.

What makes you so certain anyone will want to look at your lousy photos on the hi-def displays of the future? :cool:
  • Please understand my intention with that previous statement is an attempt at humor, but I do ask myself this very question sometimes....

And save me the nonsense about lugging suitcases full of camera gear around, it’s 2018. I carry an X-Pro2, I choose a lens to go with the day I’m having and I just go shoot with that, no luggage, no bags, it’s weather sealed so doesn’t need a case, just me and a small, lightweight camera. I make all the exposure decisions, I do all the photography, and the camera delivers files which will still be putting the iPhone XX to shame in ten years time.

The X-Pro2 is nice and all, but if you're really concerned about showing your best on the displays of the future, shouldn't you be using Fujifilm's GFX 50S, or better yet a $45,000 Hasselblad H5D? :p

Seriously, I get what you are saying, but you're preaching to the wrong audience. Your message would be better received on some of the photography forums I sometimes participate in (including DPReview). Actually, I have read this very same argument on DPReview for many years when people discuss all kinds of photography choices:
  • Cheap lenses vs expensive ones
  • Tripod vs no tripod
  • APS-C vs 35mm Full Frame
  • m4/3 vs APS-C
  • Whether or not we really need more megapixels...
Every single choice we make when it comes to choosing photography gear is a compromise in some way, and different people value different things. Honestly I was amazed to see the surge in DSLR cameras that we experienced in the last 10 years. In 2004 I would be out shooting with my Nikon D70 and would hardly see any other DSLR shooters. By 2010 you would see DSLR cameras all over the place, and it was clear that many of the folks using them were not photography enthusiasts. I'd say about 3 years ago we reached a point when smartphone cameras were "good enough" for the masses. Last Fall we took our kids to a local pumpkin patch that used to be littered with DSLR cameras. I noticed that there were hardly any. We were there on a really busy day. I saw one or two DSLR cameras. I had my Olympus OM-D kit, and almost everyone was using a smartphone. That's in a place where many locals go to get the family photo they will use for their holiday cards, so you'd expect people to be using their best cameras.

This is a bit like telling people in the film days that they shouldn't be using 110 film pocket cameras, disc cameras, disposable cameras, or polaroids... all of which were incredibly popular. Anyone my age (mid-40's) probably has some old family photos taken with a lousy 110 film camera. They probably have weird but charming colors, poor dynamic range, tons of grain, and many are likely to be slightly out of focus. If flash was used you got the worst red-eye you've ever seen, but the photo-development shop would sell you what was basically a black sharpie to help with that. The negatives and prints are so badly damaged that scanning them to a 20 MP digital file yields frighteningly bad results. And yet, if they are your childhood photos that include family members long deceased, you cherish them. My wife was fortunate in that her father had a Pentax 35mm SLR with some decent lenses (still has his kit with the Super Takumar lenses and the radioactive thorium lens coatings). His prints, slides, and negatives scan with much better results, but many of them are still a bit worn and damaged.

You could argue that analog defects are less offensive to the eyes than digital artifacts. I suppose it depends on the photo and what kind of artifact we are talking about, but yes... the bad Photoshop look from a poorly masked portrait modes, mushy pixels from using tiny sensors in low light, or the weird jaggy pixels from JPEG compression tend to stand out as really nasty to my eyes. Nevertheless these things will matter little when my children are grown and start having children of their own. I don't harbor any ill will towards my parents for using cheap cameras. The content matters much more than the technical quality in those photos, and the photos are of their era and suffer the same imperfections as countless others. Our children are fortunate in that the current crop of smartphone cameras can produce photos that look far better than what we inherited, and for most that is good enough.

Whether "good enough" is really that, I suppose it ultimately comes down to why you take photos and what you hope to do with these photos in 10, 20, 30 years. If you are a photography enthusiast then you are more likely to be using the gear and the techniques to produce output that will look outstanding whether it's printed ginormous or viewed on a super-duper so-hi-def-your-eyes-don't-even-know-how-good-it-is display. This is not why most people take photos. They take them to preserve memories, and even the foggiest photo can trigger the sharpest memories. If your photos stand the test of time and look better on future displays than most from the same era, it will be icing on the cake and hopefully appreciated. That said the photos that you take that might be cherished most will be the casual snapshots more than the landscapes or wildlife photos you labored over for many more hours. Think about the shear volume of photos and videos future generations will inherit. We will be lucky if our grandchildren see a fraction of the photos we hope they will one day appreciate. That's one reason why I keep printing physical albums and photo books (as well as some large prints). Families tend to hold onto those things, while so many digital files may be lost even more easily than we lost track of shoeboxes full of negatives and prints.

So I'm under no illusions that most of my photos will have as much value decades from now as I would like them to have, but they have value to me in the present. The photos I labor over the most are the ones I take to satisfy my own photographic desires. If others appreciate them now or in the future, that's great... but I know it's the family photos that will be more valued. So even 10 years from now we will be using much higher resolution displays and televisions that are capable of displaying wider color gamuts and more dynamic range. Our photos from the dawn of the digital era are definitely going to look a bit flat compared to what cameras will be capturing by then, but we will still be able to produce fantastic prints out of our old digital files. There will also be software that will feature improved algorithms for upsizing low resolution photos, and for fixing any number of flaws. For that reason I don't think today's iPhone X photos will look as bad as you think they will, but they won't look as good as modern photos when viewed side by side.

Geez... sorry about the length. I'm not even sure I could summarize this ramble into a TLDR version. Perhaps it's enough to say that hopefully your efforts to produce the absolute best possible images will be appreciated in the future, but given the insanely high usage rates of smartphone cameras you can be sure that technology will be developed that will preserve and display those memories as well as they possibly can be. On the other hand smartphone cameras are good enough for most people today, and the output will be good enough for preserving memories well into the future... at least for most people.
 
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I’ve deflected nothing, no I don’t own or use an iPhone X, nor do I need to in order to understand what it is and what it does, there are countless sample pictures out there and countless reviews, including the DPRreview piece I referred to previously.



Firstly this is a thread about whether the iPhone X can replace or “beat” a DSLR, so I fail to see how anything I’ve said is not relevant to that. Secondly, the very fact that threads like this even get started (fairly regularly at that) are proof that iPhone consumers do care about “DSLR technology” and are concerned with these comparisons. The same posts are made about every generation of iPhone in fact, by people using hoping/wanting to believe that this year’s iPhone has finally achieved this status of being as good as a “proper” camera, and that the pictures they’re taking with this convenient pocketable device are really as good as the real thing.

And I’m not going to apologise for pointing out that they’re still not. They’re still garbage.



Perhaps they aren’t, but they should. And once the instagram and Facebook likes and other instant gratifications of the now die down, and the years pass, they’ll wish that they had.



Congratulations on all your wasted time typing this crap about a device you've never actually used. I'm a photographer and cinematographer - it's what I make a living with, and for car photography of all things the X is a much better purchase than a $1000 DSLR, especially for a casual user who just wants nice images anywhere they go. Perhaps you forget that when things slowly get better year after year, at some point they become really good. Next year will be better yet.

I would take the X every. single. time. over a $1000 entry-level APS-C camera with a kit zoom, and would recommend most to do the same.

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Sure, if you pixel peep you're going to find an edge that didn't work out perfectly or a branch that's blurred oddly. But photography isn't about what's happening in 1% of the image, it's what you can convey with the entire piece. Your audience isn't looking for portrait mode edges. Best part is these are created end-to-end on the X from capture, to edit, to upload.

Album link in case I break the forums: https://imgur.com/a/vHxr7
And before anyone gets on here to decry "filters" - realize that every professional image you see is a result of what's essentially "filters". That grainy orange-brown tone in that desert war film you love? The cold, blueish tones of a rainy day scene? The pastels of a Wes Anderson film? Those aren't just magically captured in-camera and delivered straight to the theater. Someone is paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to grade the images to elicit the exact style and mood that the director or cinematographer wants to convey - in essence, if you're shooting digital you're applying film stock simulations, tracking areas and objects that need specific adjustment, pulling back highlights, fine-tuning skin tones, lifting or dropping the blacks, adding film grain, etc.
 
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Congratulations on all your wasted time typing this crap about a device you've never actually used. I'm a photographer and cinematographer - it's what I make a living with, and for car photography of all things the X is a much better purchase than a $1000 DSLR, especially for a casual user who just wants nice images anywhere they go. Perhaps you forget that when things slowly get better year after year, at some point they become really good. Next year will be better yet.

I would take the X every. single. time. over a $1000 entry-level APS-C camera with a kit zoom, and would recommend most to do the same.

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Sure, if you pixel peep you're going to find an edge that didn't work out perfectly or a branch that's blurred oddly. But photography isn't about what's happening in 1% of the image, it's what you can convey with the entire piece. Your audience isn't looking for portrait mode edges. Best part is these are created end-to-end on the X from capture, to edit, to upload.

Album link in case I break the forums: https://imgur.com/a/vHxr7
And before anyone gets on here to decry "filters" - realize that every professional image you see is a result of what's essentially "filters". That grainy orange-brown tone in that desert war film you love? The cold, blueish tones of a rainy day scene? The pastels of a Wes Anderson film? Those aren't just magically captured in-camera and delivered straight to the theater. Someone is paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to grade the images to elicit the exact style and mood that the director or cinematographer wants to convey - in essence, if you're shooting digital you're applying film stock simulations, tracking areas and objects that need specific adjustment, pulling back highlights, fine-tuning skin tones, lifting or dropping the blacks, adding film grain, etc.

Entirely agree on everything you wrote.

I've seen those pictures elsewhere before. I love the one with the Mercedes. Great job!
 
I personally would encourage anybody interested in photography to buy an entry level £700 DSLR. I think it offers more encouragement to learn and greater satisfaction knowing you’ve done the work yourself with a camera rather than allowing a phone to do it for you.

Phones are great for the casual shot, we all use them, but there’s always justification for a decent camera too. I take more photos with my phone than anything and it produces some great pics for 6x4” prints and social media. Still love my Canon though and I’m very glad smartphones were not around when I took an interest in photography because I doubt I’d have looked beyond them.
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