iPhone X Stainless Steel Band...Apple Watch Scratchgate All Over Again?

donster28

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Having picked the space black stainless steel over the silver one on the Apple Watch, I am picking the space black iPhone X too.

The space black stainless steel is just less prone to minute scratching...silver buyers beware, unless Apple is using tougher steel on the X.
 

Phone Junky

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Beware, a device exposed to scratching due to every day use is going to scratch

Right, i'll note it down.
Obviously this thread isn’t for you. It’s for the “my screen is yellow”. “my button is clicky”, “I have light leak”, “I have a dead pixel” , “my phone isn’t perfect” crowd. They’ll buy the new shiny device and freak out when it gets a mark on it. Just wait and see.
 

DNichter

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No big deal. It's stainless steel, not sure it needs to be considered a "gate". Glass breaks also, don't drop your phone, it might break.
 

Givmeabrek

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Cape Cod cloth works perfectly on my SS watches. iPhone X should be no problem at all.
 

widget999

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The Black Stainless Steel on the Apple Watch Gas a different coating method, than the iPhone X. On the Apple Watch its a Layer of DLC (Diamond like carbon) a super Hard coating. The iphone is coloured an a different was and should scratch as easy as the Silver Apple Watch and iPhone X
 

vcnzo

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I have 2 stainless steel watches : Omega Speedmaster & Rolex Datejust.
I HATE scratches on my Rolex. I LOVE scratches on my Speedy. The reason is that the latter is not a jewel but rather a toolwatch.
For me, the iPhone X, given the notch and the SS frame, has a bit of a vintage flavour. I think scratches (which will of course be there rather quickly) won't bother me a lot.
 

Fattytail

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I have 2 stainless steel watches : Omega Speedmaster & Rolex Datejust.
I HATE scratches on my Rolex. I LOVE scratches on my Speedy. The reason is that the latter is not a jewel but rather a toolwatch.
For me, the iPhone X, given the notch and the SS frame, has a bit of a vintage flavour. I think scratches (which will of course be there rather quickly) won't bother me a lot.
But either way, because they're stainless steel, you can essentially wipe off the scratches no?
 

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Just as leather ages with time, so does SS.

Some may not like it, but for me it doesn’t bother me one bit. I have never repolished my series 0 SS Apple Watch, and will never repolish my Silver iPhone X.
 

Relentless Power

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Cape Cod cloth works perfectly on my SS watches. iPhone X should be no problem at all.
I don't know though. Because the stainless edges use a physical vapor deposition (PVD) process, as where's the stainless Apple Watch is just the 316 L stainless with no protection coating or paint. We will find out soon enough.
 

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I don't know though. Because the stainless edges use a physical vapor deposition (PVD) process, as where's the stainless Apple Watch is just the 316 L stainless with no protection coating or paint. We will find out soon enough.
Isn’t the Silver iPhone X the same 316 L stainless?

I thought only the Space Grey uses the PVD process for the black finish.
 

Relentless Power

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Isn’t the Silver iPhone X the same 316 L stainless?

I thought only the Space Grey uses the PVD process for the black finish.
Nothing is confirmed from what I have researched that the iPhone X regular stainless model uses 316 L stainless, it just states that its "Surgical grade stainless", which can vary. As far as the space gray, it does use a physical Vapor deposition from what I have read, unless I missed something, I did not see this indicated on Apple's website either. But it would make sense given how Apple treats the space black stainless Apple Watch using the DLC coating, but where as PVD is a method. Curious to see the durability with the PVD in the space gray iPhone X.


https://support.apple.com/kb/SP770?locale=en_US

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2017/9/12/16288806/apple-iphone-x-price-release-date-features-announced

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.engadget.com/amp/2017/09/12/iphone-x-announcement-release-date/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.macrumors.com/2017/09/14/50-new-features-in-iphone-x/amp/
 

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Nothing is confirmed from what I have researched that the iPhone X regular stainless model uses 316 L stainless, it just states that its "Surgical grade stainless", which can vary. As far as the space gray, it does use a physical Vapor deposition from what I have read, unless I missed something, I did not see this indicated on Apple's website either. But it would make sense given how Apple treats the space black stainless Apple Watch using the DLC coating, but where as PVD is a method. Curious to see the durability with the PVD in the space gray iPhone X.
The surgical grade stainless steel refers to both. The PVD process only is on the Space Gray option (for obvious reasons of toncolour it black)

“Surgical‑grade stainless steel.
The stainless steel band that wraps around and reinforces iPhone X is a special Apple-designed alloy that’s both durable and more pure, and it polishes beautifully. For the space gray finish, we use a process called physical vapor deposition to precisely match the color of the stainless steel band to that of the glass.”

So, it essentially should be identical to SS Apple Watch and Space Black Apple Watch, looks wise (with the exception of possibly a better steel used)
[doublepost=1508488972][/doublepost]Quick searching around. “Surgical grade stainless steel” is basically 316.

So I’d say it will be identical to SS and SB Apple Watches.
 

Relentless Power

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The surgical grade stainless steel refers to both. So, it essentially should be identical to SS Apple Watch and Space Black Apple Watch, looks wise (with the exception of possibly a better steel used)
I'm not saying it's not 316 L stainless, but there's been no confirmation that it is either. Similarly to how Apple identifies the Apple Watch stainless and black stainless using 316 L stainless, that's not the same application their marketing the stainless bands for the iPhone X. Surgical grade stainless comes in many forms and variations, as I mentioned previously. 316 L properties are also much different over surgical grade Stainless.

Given the overall hardness of 316 L stainless, it's actually very soft/dense metal that does ding and scratch easily, as many Apple Watch owners will attest. Which having the diamond like carbon coating on the space black Apple Watch makes it almost impervious to damage. But given that PVD is a new method Apple is using for the iPhone X, we will find out shortly how durable it really is. And there will be plenty of torture test on YouTube I'm sure as well.
 

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I'm not saying it's not 316 L stainless, but there's been no confirmation that it is either. Similarly to how Apple identifies the Apple Watch stainless and black stainless using 316 L stainless, that's not the same application their marketing the stainless bands for the iPhone X. Surgical grade stainless comes in many forms and variations, as I mentioned previously. 316 L properties are also much different over surgical grade Stainless.

Given the overall hardness of 316 L stainless, it's actually very soft/dense metal that does ding and scratch easily, as many Apple Watch owners will attest. Which having the diamond like carbon coating on the space black Apple Watch makes it almost impervious to damage. But given that PVD is a new method Apple is using for the iPhone X, we will find out shortly how durable it really is. And there will be plenty of torture test on YouTube I'm sure as well.
I never said you didn’t say it was 316L. So you really didn’t have to go on the defence there.

Also quick searching around and 316L is considered surgical grade stainless steel.

Also PVD is also used now on Apple Watch Space Black vs DLC. Other posters on MR have confirmed this. So that can already be tested.
 

Relentless Power

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I never said you didn’t say it was 316L. So you really didn’t have to go on the defence there.

Also quick searching around and 316L is considered surgical grade stainless steel.

Also PVD is also used now on Apple Watch Space Black vs DLC. Other posters on MR have confirmed this. So that can already be tested.
Two things:

1.) You're conflating. There is no defense here, it's a discussion, where skepticism is natural. I'm simply stating the facts. Apple never confirmed that it is 316 L stainless versus surgical grade, there is a difference contrary to what you believe and the proprieties. So you don't have any evidence stating that it is 316 L or the same, when in fact, they are not in various applications.

2.) Could you please link me to the thread where other forum members have stated that it's PVD used on the Apple Watch black Stainless versus DLC now? Not that I don't distrust what you're saying, but they're also a lot of anecdotal opinions without evidence unless confirmed by Apple.

( Also, that same argument was brought up last year that the Series 2 Apple Watch space black was using PVD, when that was debunked to by Apple directly stating that it indeed uses DLC. So My interest is piqued to read Otherwise and how someone definitively can confirm this, at least based on what you read.)
 

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Two things:

1.) You're conflating. There is no defense here, it's a discussion, where skepticism is natural. I'm simply stating the facts. Apple never confirmed that it is 316 L stainless versus surgical grade, there is a difference contrary to what you believe and the proprieties. So you don't have any evidence stating that it is 316 L or the same, when in fact, they are not in various applications.

2.) Could you please link me to the thread where other forum members have stated that it's PVD used on the Apple Watch black Stainless versus DLC now? Not that I don't distrust what you're saying, but they're also a lot of anecdotal opinions without evidence unless confirmed by Apple.

( Also, that same argument was brought up last year that the Series 2 Apple Watch space black was using PVD, when that was debunked to by Apple directly stating that it indeed uses DLC. So My interest is piqued to read Otherwise and how someone definitively can confirm this, at least based on what you read.)
1: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgical_stainless_steel

2: I don’t have any specific link. Maybe I was thinking of the discussions from what you described. That’s my bad, if it’s been bebunked.
 
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Relentless Power

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I don’t have any specific link. Maybe I was thinking of the discussions from what you described. That’s my bad, if it’s been bebunked.
The Reason I asked, Anybody can say what they want on tech forum, but that doesn't confirm specifics unless they have a source. For example, last year many were stating that PVD was used for the Series 2 Apple Watch space black stainless, and one member emailed Apple and Apple returned the email by stating DLC was used only for the space black stainless. But I appreciate you admitting that.
 

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Eugh. Fifth time I'm having to post this...

PVD is a PROCESS. DLC is a MATERIAL. They are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they are the opposite. DLC is applied using the PVD process.

The Space Black Apple Watch is referred to internally at Apple as the 'PVD' model.

We don't know what coating is applied to the Space Grey iPhone X. But we do know that it is applied using PVD.

And, interestingly, since Series 3 Apple no longer advertises the Space Black Apple Watch as DLC, even though it is still DLC. Based upon that, the iPhone X could be DLC too!

But personally I don't think it is DLC on the iPhone X. It's just too difficult to do at that scale. It will be something easier and slightly less durable than DLC but applied in a similar way.