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man.. apple hardware engineers are wizards non the less
thank you and before some troll replies but but but they are using xyz part from someone - note everything in that phone was custom designed to Apple specs to fit in the dimensions they want - you can't do that with off the shelf part and without an incredible amount of planning.
 
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Why do the faceID parts have to be so far apart? At first glance it looks like they could become more compact in the future. I’m sure there are specific reasons, but found it interesting.

I am sure they wish they ever further apart. Take a picture with a flash on the camera and it looks flat, 2 dimensional. Take a picture with the flash off the camera at an angle and the shadow come out creating a more 3 dimensional look. And for face ID, having another dimension provides more data that uniquely identify your features.
 
Now imagine someday when a small tiny size modern battery/nuclear tech that can provide long life battery all year long. Wouldn’t want the thing blows off in my face though.
 
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It may not even be a concern, depending on the intensity and duration of the IR facial scanner, but it's of enough concern that other folks have wondered about possible eye damage with chronic use of face id. Already found this article via Google:

https://1reddrop.com/2017/09/16/will-face-id-iphone-x-damage-retina/

Time will tell. On an unrelated topic, I note that the battery pack actually has slightly less capacity than the one in my iPhone 6s Plus. That might be compensated for with more energy efficient processors, displays, and the like. Perhaps before long we'll get battery life comparisons.
Well, I don’t know about the iPhone X, but I know the Samsung IR scanner caused progressive cumulative problems with my eyes and my husband eventually also started exhibiting symptoms of whatever damage we were incurring that caused our eye pain. It came upon me gradually and got to the point of lingering pain, so I had to stop using Iris scanning.

From what I’ve seen of the iphone demo of the scanning, it is very fast. My Samsung was kind of slow and my glasses might have complicated matters. Apple has in the past demonstrated awareness of such things as metal allergies and chemical sensitivities and made effective efforts to mitigate these reactions in products that touch our skin, such as the straps and backs on the Apple Watch. I think they have taken steps to ensure our eyes and skin will be safe. They say it is. Of course customers should keep after them for more information and report any unusual symptoms associated with the use of the device.
 
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Maybe.

I have to think even one century from now, people will look back and laugh at today's tech- even this... much as us looking back 100 years to a time when trying to replicate the most basic functions of this thing involved wired telephones, telegraphs, the postal system, artists and/or film-based photography, visits to many libraries, typewriters and so on. In 1917, radio was barely getting going and there was no television. If you wanted to FaceTime, you had to travel to the person with the face with which you wanted some time... and actually speak to each other using the human mouth and ears (without microphones, headphones or speakers).

100 years ago, you probably used the restroom by stepping OUTSIDE to a separate little building. Commercially available toilet paper was still about 3 years away from coming to market (just ponder those possibilities). Or don't: one of the big selling points for Northern TP as late as the 1930s was that it was "splinter free." :eek:

You had probably never seen deodorants, so just about everybody likely smelled pretty bad. You might have traveled in a motorized vehicle, maybe as fast as 20 or 30 miles per hour. You probably used a paper map (likely hand-drawn) to get from place to place. Posting to a board where others might see it (like this) involved writing the message on paper and some kind of tack & physical board somewhere. If you spent much time asking a physical object questions ("Hey Siri"), you'd probably soon be taken to a special home. Etc.

I suspect 100 years from now, our great grandchildren will wonder how we ever survived these times with such primitive technology, including laughing at the idea of having to carry around a slab of metal & glass to be able to communicate in the most basic of ways: "Great-grandpa, how did you ever survive the early 21st century?" Now, if it is true historians, I think you are right. Watch History channel documentaries now and they'll gush for 10 or 15 minutes over the genius in how some rock was shaped into some tool or the genius of how some massive stones were configured to identify the equinoxes. But the mass population will probably look at iPhone X like we look at early typewriters and laugh at what Great-grandpa had to deal with. Consider these time travelers from just a few centuries in the future...

"Grandpa, tell us again, you had to plug this phone thing in to charge a chemical battery?"

"And this battery could only power it for up to maybe 1 day? Oh my gosh!"

"You couldn't render a holographic image?"

"You had to remember some (phone) numbers to be able to contact someone?"

"This huge device had only 3GB of RAM? I think I have an eyelash with more RAM than that."

"These basic functions cost about half of a whole month's pay? And then you paid a monthly rental (service) fee to be able to actually use it for anything? And then the very next year, you felt compelled to buy a slightly newer model- typically for even more money- that barely did anything more than the one you already owned? And then again the next year too?"

"Did you ever see a dinosaur Grandpa?"

"Did you know Abraham Lincoln?"

"Who were these musicians called Elvis and The Beatles?" Speaking of which, here's some historians remembering the latter from the year 3000...


No, because advancement in technology isn’t linear. We had great leaps this century, but they’ve slowed since the transistor and microprocessor. Batteries little at all. The concepts of computing and storage and processing aren’t likely to undergo conceptual leaps, they’ll just get better.
 
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That Taptic Engine though. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. That damn thing should’ve won an award, it’s truely an engineering marvel.
 
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Where are the Apple haters saying this is old 2 year tech? lol. I'd like to see anything like this 2 years ago from an Android maker.

Android phones have had face unlock for a while with the Note 7 flame thrower, S8, and LG models. What Apple did was make a phone not spoof-able by pictures of a face. Apple did this by bring the IR based 3D facial detection, like that came with Windows 10 through Windows Hello, to phones.

Computers running Windows 10 can use internal cameras or webcams that support Intel RealSense cameras. They RealSense uses IR illumination to prevent picture from being used to spoof the camera. Here is how Windows Hello works.
 
Even though I just got this phone today, I can’t help but imagine how big the battery will be on iPhone 11+. Probably over 4000mah which would be unbelievable.
 
thank you and before some troll replies but but but they are using xyz part from someone - note everything in that phone was custom designed to Apple specs to fit in the dimensions they want - you can't do that with off the shelf part and without an incredible amount of planning.

So I guess a fanboy blindly gushing over it is cool, but someone critical is a troll? :p

Not everything in that phone was custom designed to Apple specs, and even then, "custom designed" could mean simply having a custom made connector that's similar to existing ones. If it were completely "custom designed", it would cost waaaaaay more than $1K. Jellybean parts are what makes the world go round. While there is a good amount of custom engineering in the iPhone X (again, it does cost $1K), there is also a good amount of re-use of standard parts.

And while the insides are nice and pretty and compactly squeezed in there, the true test of the wizardry of Apple engineers will be in how well the thing lasts in the wild. Industrial design is about tradeoffs: Size, cost, power, longevity, etc. It's easy to make a sleek sexy phone that you expect users to replace every 18 months (or earlier) because it doesn't have to last all that long. And if people are willing to pay $1K for it, cool beans, good for Apple. Consider that a phone made with different constraints (cost, longevity) would likely look different when pried open, but would be no less of an engineering feat.

So go ahead and gush over the insides. It looks pretty cool tbh (especially the x-ray shots), but realize that Apple engineers (like any other engineers) are optimizing for specific conditions, and not all phones/devices are designed for the same thing.
 
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It may look nice and organised but having to replace the chassis if you crack the back glass is a baffling engineering decision.
Not sure about having two batteries in it either, thats twice the cost to fix.
The phone is only ip67 as well which apple could do much better on.

The compact circuit board is interesting.
What's even crazier is the replacement price. It costs more to replace a broken rear than it costs to replace a broken front including screen! I believe this is because of the labor time involved.
 
It sure looks like the truedepth package (and thus the notch) could be made considerably smaller, as well as shoved more towards the top of the phone.
 
An enlarged version of the logic board would make a cool modern art piece. Perhaps made out of wood and paper.

Or, a good design for a cake.

Now I want cake.
 
Why do the faceID parts have to be so far apart? At first glance it looks like they could become more compact in the future. I’m sure there are specific reasons, but found it interesting.

The dot projector and IR camera are on opposing sides likely because more separation (to a point) between the projector and camera makes the 3D sensing more accurate (more parallax to do the, essentially, triangulation calcs). It probably doesn't have to be quite so wide, especially if they bumped up the specs for the IR camera, in the future ... but they do have a lot crammed in that space already (Speaker, microphone, ambient light sensor, proximity sensor, and the visible-light front facing camera).
 
What's impressive is not just that they put all this together, but that they can put this together tens of thousands of times every day.
 
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https://lifehacker.com/iphone-x-teardown-finds-more-battery-power-than-the-iph-1820118383
 
It doesn't sound like a big deal because MR left out a key piece of information regarding the logic board. The logic board in the iPhone X is actually 35% larger than the board in the 8+. Larger. The way Apple engineered the X's logic board, essentially folding it in half with components on both sides, allow it to take up 70% of the space of the 8+'s board.

As with a lot of things, it's not what you say but how you say it.
The logic board on the iPhone X is 35% larger than the logic board on the iPhone 8+. Even though the board is larger, Apple managed to fit it into a space that only uses 70% of the space used by the 8+'s logic board. Even if the 8 and 8+ use the same logic board, the 8+ connotes larger board, thus more impressive.
Interesting information about the folded logic board of the X. Impressive design really.

Not sure about your last sentence though. Wouldn't 70% of a 'perceived' smaller board (as in the 8), be more impressive than 70% of an 'assumed' larger board (as in the 8+)?
 
I do hope there is an iPhone x Plus? please apple, I'll wait for that but this is a little small for me...
 
Why do the faceID parts have to be so far apart? At first glance it looks like they could become more compact in the future. I’m sure there are specific reasons, but found it interesting.
It also has a speaker on the middle, I think is embedded on the display assembly
 
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