iPhone 11 Pro iPhone X vs iPhone 11 Pro screen?

[dpace32]

Watching the keynote and confused because nothing seems new on the screen over the past 2 years but it has a new name? What changed?

 

[JPack]

800 vs 625 nits

 

[dpace32]

800 vs 625 nits

That's it? brightness? They seemed to harp on the screen a lot...

 

[FlyingTexan]

That’s not it. Try google it’s all over the place.

 

[bnekic]

2,000,000:1 contrast ratio vs 1,000,000:1

800 nits max brightness and 1200 nits max brightness (HDR)

 

[johnmed]

Is it just me or did the bezels on the 11 Pro look a lot slimmer during the Apple event?

When I’ve seen hands on videos the bezels look just like my X’s???

 

[Nacho98]

2,000,000:1 contrast ratio vs 1,000,000:1

800 nits max brightness and 1200 nits max brightness (HDR)

I only know of HDR existing as a photography edit, so I'm not sure how this is applied with respect to screen brightness.

On the current Xs, the max brightness on manual brightness is 500 nits, with 625 available but only when auto-brightness is turned on.

Is this just Apple's new marketing speak to say that you can now do 800 nits with manual brightness, but to get 1200, you need to have auto-brightness turned on?

 

[QquegChristian]

I only know of HDR existing as a photography edit, so I'm not sure how this is applied with respect to screen brightness.

HDR for video is somewhat different than photos and requires a wide color display with high brightness. HDR photos are typically made from multiple exposures overlapped to even out the lighting. This can give you a weird painted/fantasy look to the photo.

HDR in video is far truer to life where brighter parts of the picture are displayed accurately without blowing out to pure white. You’ll get video where a sun is so bright it almost hurts your eyes while also remaining orange and other parts of the picture can still be in a deep shadow. Some elements can be so bright (fire / or the sun / etc) than many HDR capable screens can only display that amount of brightness in short bursts or on only a part of the screen without overheating. There are various HDR standards right now with inexpensive 4K TVs claiming they have HDR but usually a poor version with weak brightness. Dolby Vision is considered the best HDR and that is what the new iPhone has.

All that said, not all 4K content is mastered for HDR and no 1080p video standard supports HDR. Netflix has some HDR content, but only if you pay extra for 4K streaming.

I’m a director and cinematographer and I’m not a fan of HDR. On a technical level it is a pain in the ass to deliver and varies too much right now by device/tv, if you can even find a way to get it onto your screen in the first place.

Creators also have to make sure content will still look good on non-HDR screens, so most of the picture does not take advantage of the additional brightness range. Sometimes the stuff that does is distractingly brighter than the rest of the picture. Flames in Mad Max Fury Road were so bright they suddenly looked like cgi or elements from a video game overlaid over a normal movie.

I’d rather leave the brightness / contrast ratio of HDR to cartoons/video games/and nature docs as all that brightness can make narrative movies lose a bit of their timeless magic. It’s just a little too real life for me.

Colors are represented much better with HDR in general (at 10 bit rather than 8) and that’s always a good thing, but a lot of HDR content is oversaturated for a wow factor rather than focusing on accuracy.

 

[Nacho98]

HDR for video is somewhat different than photos and requires a wide color display with high brightness. HDR photos are typically made from multiple exposures overlapped to even out the lighting. This can give you a weird painted/fantasy look to the photo.

HDR in video is far truer to life where brighter parts of the picture are displayed accurately without blowing out to pure white. You’ll get video where a sun is so bright it almost hurts your eyes while also remaining orange and other parts of the picture can still be in a deep shadow. Some elements can be so bright (fire / or the sun / etc) than many HDR capable screens can only display that amount of brightness in short bursts or on part of the screen without overheating. There are various HDR standards right now with inexpensive 4K TVs claiming they have HDR but usually a poor version with weak brightness. Dolby Vision is considered the best HDR and that is what the new iPhone has.

All that said, not all 4K content is mastered for HDR and no 1080p video standard supports HDR. Netflix has some HDR content, but only if you pay extra for 4K streaming.

I’m a director and cinematographer and I’m not a fan of HDR. On a technical level it is a pain in the ass to deliver and varies too much right now by device/tv, if you can even find a way to get it onto your screen in the first place.

Creators also have to make sure content will still look good on non-HDR screens, so most of the picture does not take advantage of the additional brightness range. Sometimes the stuff that does is distractingly brighter than the rest of the picture. Flames in Mad Max Fury Road were so bright they suddenly looked like cgi or elements from a video game overlaid over a normal movie.

I’d rather leave the brightness / contrast ratio of HDR to cartoons/video games/and nature docs as all that brightness can make narrative movies lose a bit of their timeless magic. It’s just a little too realize for me.

Colors are represented much better with HDR in general (at 10 bit rather than 8) and that’s always a good thing, but a lot of HDR content is oversaturated for a wow factor rather than focusing on accuracy.

This is good, but what does that mean? The phone does 1200 nits when shooting HDR video?

 

[QquegChristian]

This is good, but what does that mean? The phone does 1200 nits when shooting HDR video?

The display is likely 800nits when set at max brightness, but if you are watching a movie in HDR where it shows a shot of the sun, that sun might go up to 1200 nits for that short burst.

 

[alpi123]

Is it just me or did the bezels on the 11 Pro look a lot slimmer during the Apple event?

When I’ve seen hands on videos the bezels look just like my X’s???

There's no change in the bezels, since the original X.

 

[44267547]

The Nit brightness increase was much needed. OLED in bright light conditions is sub par at best with Max brightness to even see content on the display. I’m glad Apple increased the brightness, hopefully it transcends enough to make it easier to view in brighter conditions.

 

[King Shady]

The Nit brightness increase was much needed. OLED in bright light conditions is sub par at best with Max brightness to even see content on the display. I’m glad Apple increased the brightness, hopefully it transcends enough to make it easier to view in brighter conditions.

What's up Rich Piana. Up the tren?

 

[radus]

The only way to judge a display is to use it.
Reading Text is much easier for me using a Huawei Mate 20 Pro or an OnePlus 7 Pro compared to the iPhone X. I do not know if its the higher Resolution (> 508ppi vs 458 ppi) or a better contrast or is Android better in displaying text or is it the 90hz of the Oneplus Pro aka PWM controlled brightness (398hz vs 240hz), or is it the size of the display ?
Everyone should test for his own how much better or worse the new screen is.

 

[Nacho98]

I wonder what the max will be without auto brightness on. Since the current phones go to 625 with auto brightness on, but cap at 500 with it off, I wonder if 800 will be the auto brightness on limit with the limit at 500-600 with it off, similar to now.