The batteries got significantly bigger on the Pro's (Apple didn't want people avoiding the high end for battery life which happened with the Xr). I just read an article detailing how they're thicker and remember another talking about a new main board layout in them to free up internal space. The 11 still has the same size as the Xr (guessing).
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iPhone XR vs. iPhone 11 Buyer's Guide
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The batteries got significantly bigger on the Pro's (Apple didn't want people avoiding the high end for battery life which happened with the Xr). I just read an article detailing how they're thicker and remember another talking about a new main board layout in them to free up internal space. The 11 still has the same size as the Xr (guessing).
Might not technically require it as the cameras and resources might be completely capable. Note now old three year old Pixels getting camera improvements that were initially unique to the newest ones.
But yes at least from a marketing standpoint Night Mode requires a premium level model.
Right but again, all things being constant like they appear to be - battery size the same screen size the same as last year, If the processor is in fact 40% better efficiency wise it would yield
More than an extra hour.
The only way I could see both specs meshing is if they physically shrank the battery such a substantial and ridiculous amount to taper off battery life’s gains to level the playing field with the pros, or
Made room for other stuff in the chassis (can’t see for what aside from 2nd camera) which I don’t see as a reality
$599. page link: https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-xr
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don't forget the screen is more efficient now - technology, it keeps improving
But I’m talking about xr vs 11 here,
I’m sorry but How many times must I explain the same thing ... it’s really not difficult guys
It appears * same * specs * same * screen and * same * everything else (barring a second camera module) - with only one hour more of battery life
All other things being constant, there’s a supposed 40 percent more power efficient processor in this updated iPhone compared to last years
So How does that HUGE figure equate to merely one hour and not a lot more? Did they shrink the battery size 30% too from xr? That’s the only way I can wrap my head around the little practical gains
Analogous to- I f you had two identical cars, except for one had a 40 percent more gas efficient engine dropped in, assuming same
Driving patterns, why would that more efficient one not get close to 40 percent improvement in practical gas use, rather than let’s say just a few mpg?
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you quote anything from the "Verge", LOL. Here is one: "nearly half an ounce heavier". wow, lotta battery in that - but wait, the cases are stainless steel which is heavier than aluminum, are they sure the extra weight is battery?
Oh, and this is from an update in the article you quoted: "Correction: The iPhone 11 Pro is 0.02 inches thicker than the iPhone XS, not a quarter-inch as this post originally wrote." wow .02 inches!
Again. the Verge? Really?
I have an iPhone 8 Plus and XR in my home and can notice the difference. I much prefer the 8 Plus screen.
The 11 for only $100 more in the US seems like the better value to me.
Correction - Requires Apple to make profit from an additional smartphone sale. There's no technical dependencies on the cameras. Google's Night Shot implementation has been ported to phones that are nearly five years old, each with very modest cameras by today's standards.
I logged in just to tell you that I do not think you are understanding the topic. A13 efficiency increase is not the same as overall efficiency increase. The processor being 40% more efficient only adds an additional hour of battery life because there are many other variables to battery life.
... like what then? That’s exactly what I’m wondering is what is the variable I’m not seeing?
What is offsetting all those efficiency gains that makes battery life not much better?
The screen isn’t more power hungry or
Higher resolution. As far as I know the battery isn’t comically shrunk
So where are those gains lost?
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Color choice for 11 is horrendous. I don’t want another black or white and what’s remaining are pastel colors. Why Apple left a typical guy with no choice? Some dark blue or even midnight green color they have for 11 Pro would do for me. Why all colors that only seem to appeal for stereotypical teenage girls?
The iPhone XS has:
A12 rather than A13, still darn fast
OLED display, blacks are blacker
Much lower battery life
2nd lens is “zoom” rather than wider
No Deep Fusion, Night Sight
Older version of Smart HDR
No “slofies”
I think the main differences are: OLED vs LCD, battery life, zoom vs wide lens.
I’m actually shopping for a cheap secondhand iPhone XS 256GB, to replace my iPhone X 256GB. I’m hoping I can do the swap for $0-$50, we’ll see!
Because the CPU is just one of many components that use power. If e.g. the CPU was responsible for 20% of the device's total consumption, the total consumption would drop by 0.2*0.4 = 8% rather than 40%.
You could always get a tough guy case for it? (I’m just joking around though, I hear ya!
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It’s not that those gains are *lost,* it’s that there was never a 40% gain to begin with.
Let’s just say (all for the sake of a simple example) that there were two inputs to battery life: screen power usage and chip power usage (holding battery capacity constant). And let’s also say that those two inputs are each exactly 50% of the total power draw.
What happens if the chip becomes 40% more efficient? Does the battery life get 40% better? No, because that’s a 40% improvement to an input that is only half of the total. So it’s a 20% increase in overall efficiency.
Another example: let’s now say that the Bluetooth module is responsible for 1% of the total power drain of the device. If the Bluetooth module becomes twice as efficient, does battery life double? Of course not - it’s a huge improvement, but to a component that has a very small overall impact.
I assume that the A-series chips in modern iPhones fall between my extreme examples of 50% and 1%, which is how we get a relatively modest battery life boost out of a pretty good efficiency gain for the chip.
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Right... this... much more succinct than my post.
The CPU isn’t responsible for all that much power consumption in the first place, so improving it somewhat doesn’t really help that much overall.
The easiest way to think about it is if “other stuff” (mainly display, but RAM, modem, RF section and lots of other things) consumes 75% of the power, you can reduce the other 25% (CPU) but how much will it really help? You’ve still got the non-CPU part gobbling all the same juice as before.
Also, remember it’s “up to” (peak) 40%. Maybe that means 20% on average. So if CPU was consuming 25% of the power budget, now it’s improved and consumes only 20% of overall power. That 5% is 1/20 of the battery life. So 19 hours becomes 20 hours (just an example).
It's all software. Neural engine bs. Google added an excellent Night Mode photo process to their Pixel line going back to Pixel 2 retroactively. Apple needs to stop doing this kind of stuff with their software (arbitrarily tying it to new hardware to increase sales).
Same display is a deal breaker for me. It’s why I chose the iPhone 8 Plus over the XR last year. Just had better display and more useful screen real estate and 16:9 ratio seems perfect to me. It’s noticeably a lower resolution to me next to the iPhone 8 Plus.
I couldn't handle the resolution of the XR. Text just looks grainy. That was the dealbreaker.