iPhone iPhone XS on iOS12. Upgrade to iOS13.2.2?

Mr. 123

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Hello, I recently bought a new iPhone XS which came with iOS12.4. The phone is extremely fast and the battery life is great. I have iPadOS on my iPad and think it works rather well but there are a few bugs. Is it safe to upgrade to iOS13.2 on the phone or should I use 12.4 a bit longer?

My main reason to update would be to install watchOS6.1 on my Apple. Watch series 2.

Thanks in advance!
 

newellj

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Hello, I recently bought a new iPhone XS which came with iOS12.4. The phone is extremely fast and the battery life is great. I have iPadOS on my iPad and think it works rather well but there are a few bugs. Is it safe to upgrade to iOS13.2 on the phone or should I use 12.4 a bit longer?

My main reason to update would be to install watchOS6.1 on my Apple. Watch series 2.

Thanks in advance!
NO no no no no. Or at least, not yet.

Since 13.2 it's true that things have begun to settle down, at least for me, but there are still numerous issues affecting a lot of users.

Since there's only one way back to 12.4.x from 13 (see cautionary note below), unless there is some mission-critical functionality that you need from iOS 13 or wOS 6, I would stay on 12 until 13 has really become solid, which I'm guessing will not be before 13.3, or possibly later. Even small stuff still doesn't work right and can be problematic, like Notes sometimes taking 12-18 hours to sync up.

Cautionary note: 13 was so bad with my corporate email that I had to "downgrade" from 13 on my 11 Pro Max by buying a used XS Max that still had 12.4.1 installed (which took some work - most phones seem to have been upgraded).

Read this thread and the similar thread for 13.2 to get a flavor of what's still going on:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-13-2-2-―-bug-fixes-changes-and-improvements.2209843/
 
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It all depends on your personal workflow. I run iOS 13.2.2 on iPhone 7 and iPad Air 2 with no issues whatsoever. The biggest common remaining issue in iOS 13 is with Apple‘a stock email app, but if you do not use it, it should be good to go. ✌
 

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We're very glad for you both. Many, many people have had very different experiences. There's an active thread here titled something like "Did iOS 13 Ruin Your iPhone?" There is no going back, and 13 is still terrible experience for a lot of users.
 
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Paco II

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No reason to use that tone. Forums are infamous for being a destination to complain about issues. By far the vast majority of iOS 13 users are likely using it without any significant issues.

We're very glad for you both. Many, many people have had very different experiences. There's an active thread here titled something like "Did iOS 13 Ruin Your iPhone?" There is no going back, and 13 is still terrible experience for a lot of users.
 

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No reason to use that tone. Forums are infamous for being a destination to complain about issues. By far the vast majority of iOS 13 users are likely using it without any significant issues.
That may be. But again, if the OP falls into the large group that still have significant issues, what will you tell him? Was your advice good advice? Can you solve his problem and whisk him back to 12.4.1?
 

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Depends if you rely on some more "obscure" things that are broken in iOS 13 that Apple still don't care to fix like smart invert colours and some other accessibility features I think.
 

Paco II

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This is silly. The OP asked if it is safe to upgrade. Yes, it is safe to upgrade. There is always some risk when upgrading software. It is up to the OP to make a final decision.

That may be. But again, if the OP falls into the large group that still have significant issues, what will you tell him? Was your advice good advice? Can you solve his problem and whisk him back to 12.4.1?
 
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Hello, I recently bought a new iPhone XS which came with iOS12.4. The phone is extremely fast and the battery life is great. I have iPadOS on my iPad and think it works rather well but there are a few bugs. Is it safe to upgrade to iOS13.2 on the phone or should I use 12.4 a bit longer?

My main reason to update would be to install watchOS6.1 on my Apple. Watch series 2.

Thanks in advance!
It's perfectly fine. 13.2.1 ironed out pretty much all bugs and I've been running it on my personal phone and iPad and we have hundreds of them at work that are doing just fine as well. No clue what the one poster claiming that it's bug ridden is going on about but that's just not accurate.
 
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papbot

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There are still multiple serious issues in 13. I installed 13.3 beta on my ipad and two very significant issues are resolved in that. If you can wait without encountering any major compatibility issues between devices I would wait. I was very unhappy installing 13 on my 3rd gen 12.9 iPad Pro and then seeing many of the same issues were also on my new iPhone 11 Pro Max. 13.2.2 does resolve several of the issues but will still not be what you will be happy with coming from 12. Again unless there is a compelling need I would wait till 13.3 is in general release, I consider it to be the first non-beta version of 13 to be released. Just wait it won’t be long. The XS is such a wonderful phone, my wife has this, you don’t want to become frustrated with it this soon.
 

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There certainly appear to be issues that some have had and still have it seems. At the same time there are those who aren’t experiencing much out of the ordinary (for lack of a better expression) when it comes to their devices and their usage.

As far as what a update would be like for someone and their device(s), there’s really no way to really tell one way or another given the variety of different devices, people, and experiences.
 
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As far as what a update would be like for someone and their device(s), there’s really no way to really tell one way or another given the variety of different devices, people, and experiences.
This is certainly true, but equally certainly once someone updates to 13, they're not going back on that device.

As yet another aside, I think I'm surprised that there hasn't been a lot more of the demands that Apple permit whole-verision iOS retrogrades that I remember having been a very prominent part of the discussion this time of year for many years. No conclusions (and I might even be wrong and just have missed it), but it doesn't seem to have been a hot issue this year.
 

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Yes. Upgrade
Hello, I recently bought a new iPhone XS which came with iOS12.4. The phone is extremely fast and the battery life is great. I have iPadOS on my iPad and think it works rather well but there are a few bugs. Is it safe to upgrade to iOS13.2 on the phone or should I use 12.4 a bit longer?

My main reason to update would be to install watchOS6.1 on my Apple. Watch series 2.

Thanks in advance!
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upgrade it safe and faster to use
 

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Hello, I recently bought a new iPhone XS which came with iOS12.4. The phone is extremely fast and the battery life is great. I have iPadOS on my iPad and think it works rather well but there are a few bugs. Is it safe to upgrade to iOS13.2 on the phone or should I use 12.4 a bit longer?

My main reason to update would be to install watchOS6.1 on my Apple. Watch series 2.

Thanks in advance!
If you buy new and still curious trying iOS 13, I’d suggest to install fresh from iTunes. Don’t update from 12. It will minimize potential bugs.
 

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Hello, I recently bought a new iPhone XS which came with iOS12.4. The phone is extremely fast and the battery life is great. I have iPadOS on my iPad and think it works rather well but there are a few bugs. Is it safe to upgrade to iOS13.2 on the phone or should I use 12.4 a bit longer?

My main reason to update would be to install watchOS6.1 on my Apple. Watch series 2.

Thanks in advance!
I'm running iOS 13.2.2 on two iPhones XR and the only issue I am seeing now is that Notes can take a while to sync. I have heard that some users are experiencing Mail issues with Exchange accounts. I don't use Exchange and I don't see any major issues with Mail other than sometimes push acts like fetch. Otherwise it's running smoothly on my devices.
 

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We're very glad for you both. Many, many people have had very different experiences. There's an active thread here titled something like "Did iOS 13 Ruin Your iPhone?" There is no going back, and 13 is still terrible experience for a lot of users.
Threads like that are here every single year.
A very vocal minority doesn’t mean iOS 13.2.2 is so bad.
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That may be. But again, if the OP falls into the large group that still have significant issues, what will you tell him? Was your advice good advice? Can you solve his problem and whisk him back to 12.4.1?
You absolutely don’t know if the group is large or just very vocal as usual.
Satisfied people don’t open threads.
 
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“Vocal minority”.....Not this time. My experience was that iOS 11 was the worst released iOS Apple had put out at that time. No significant issues with 12, many improvements. They outdid themselves with 13. If I could have gotten iOS 12 on my new 11Pro Max, which I love, I would have jumped at the chance. I had followed the betas of 13 all along and every report was of how bad it was. So I believe if someone is still on 12 and can wait till 13.3 - the first true non beta release - he will be a lot happier
 

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Threads like that are here every single year.
A very vocal minority doesn’t mean iOS 13.2.2 is so bad.
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You absolutely don’t know if the group is large or just very vocal as usual.
Satisfied people don’t open threads.
iOS versions that have worked don't prompt the volume or breadth of reported problems, some of which are very serious. We know that Apple knows how to deliver operating systems that work. And it is very clear that iOS 13, iPadOS 13, HomePod's version of iOS 13 and Catalina are far below the standard that Apple is capable of.

Unless you think that non-functioning core native apps like Mail, Notes, Reminders and CarPlay is acceptable. Or iPads borked when they're upgraded. Or HomePods that are literally bricked. Or MacBooks with EFI firmware corrupted by Catalina, not to mention Catalina bugs too numerous to mention.
 

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iOS versions that have worked don't prompt the volume or breadth of reported problems, some of which are very serious. We know that Apple knows how to deliver operating systems that work. And it is very clear that iOS 13, iPadOS 13, HomePod's version of iOS 13 and Catalina are far below the standard that Apple is capable of.

Unless you think that non-functioning core native apps like Mail, Notes, Reminders and CarPlay is acceptable. Or iPads borked when they're upgraded. Or HomePods that are literally bricked. Or MacBooks with EFI firmware corrupted by Catalina, not to mention Catalina bugs too numerous to mention.
For almost 20 years my home has looked like an Apple Store. With the current software they have released I’m, for the first time, thinking about how I would go about weaning myself off their products altogether. It would cause me a lot of problems and not something I would really want to undertake so I’m waiting to see whether they can get it together. Before all this I would have never given a second thought to using another platform.
 

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I don’t think anyone can give a definite answer on that question. It might work fine for you, it might not.
My own experience with IOS 13 has been an absolute disaster. I have been all IOS since v3, but this upgrade has by far been the worst to date. I have spent dusins and dusins of hours resetting, repairing, restoring and attempting to get my devices to run at least run acceptably. Eventually I had do drop restoring a backup and start over on both my watch and iPhone - you have no idea how much trouble that is...
Anyhow, after spending a month not being able to use my watch properly (it could use a full charge in 30 min flat in worst case scenarios), I finally with 3.2.2 seem to have found a sweet spot where my devices runs fine and can keep battery for a day. The mail app is still a serious mess (using exchange), but it can be used if you dont mind deleting mails twice and being unable to trust the sort order of mails and read status. Suffice to say I learned my lesson this time. IOS 14 will not be seeing my devices until 3 months has passed and the forum activity here has settled down.
 

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IOS 14 will not be seeing my devices until 3 months has passed and the forum activity here has settled down.
Maybe they are on an every other ios update recovery schedule. 12 was supposed to smooth out 11’s messes with only few new features. I really had very few problems with it. 11 was a mess for me. So maybe 14 will be the one to smooth out the mess of 13.
 
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Der Keyser

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Maybe they are on an every other ios update recovery schedule. 12 was supposed to smooth out 11’s messes with only few new features. I really had very few problems with it. 11 was a mess for me. So maybe 14 will be the one to smooth out the mess of 13.
Yeah, that’s my theory too. 11 was a mess - not as bad as 13, but still a huge mess. 12 was really good, so we might see relief with 14....
 
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