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Not sure if anyone has noticed this, but the Xr behaves similar to the Xs Max in terms of the software. From the preview videos you can see when they rotate it into landscape mode it will behave like the "plus" model. This is also the case in the simulator...

Sure because both iPhones have the same basic resolution of 414*896 points. The Xs Max is only "pumps that up a little more" to the bigger display...(but for the costs of a bigger and more expensive device)
 
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Why does the steel matter? Less scratches if you don't use a case? Less bendy if you sit on it? (I am asking seriously)
Yes to both, but the key difference is how 'classy' it looks and feels (I'm looking for the right word here, high quality, expensive, shiny, high-end, higher value, non-chinzy). It not getting scratched up easily is naturally part of that.
 
That applies only to standard UI elements but not to all scaleable content including text and images. With 3x retina screen you can select a smaller font size and have more text shown in the same physical space with the number of pixels per letter being the same.
That is true but it becomes impractical at a certain point to go smaller with fonts. The XR screen size is already a bit smaller so standard UI elements will also be a bit smaller. I don’t think that many people will want to shrink their font sizes too much on these phones.
 
Sure because both iPhone have the same basic resolution of 414*896 points. The Xs Max is only "pumps that up a little more" to the bigger display...(but for the costs of a bigger and more expensive device)
That applies only to elements that are rendered based on the number of points. For all other content, eg, text and images, the 3x retina screen means that you images and text will look '50% more' detailed (or can show 50% more content using the same detail level).
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That is true but it becomes impractical at a certain point to go smaller with fonts. The XR screen size is already a bit smaller so standard UI elements will also be a bit smaller. I don’t think that many people will want to shrink their font sizes too much on these phones.
Why would you want to view webpages (or text in emails) at a physically larger size on the Xs max (compared to the Xr) if your eyes are good enough to see the difference between 2x and 3x retina?

There are three factors with iOS displays:
  1. Number of points (defines how many standard UI elements fit on the screen)
  2. Number of pixels (defines how much scalable content can be shown and how sharp things look if your eyes are good enough)
  3. Physical size (defines how much content can be shown if your eyesight is a limiting factor)
The Xs max beats the Xr in the last two categories.
 
Yes to both, but the key difference is how 'classy' it looks and feels (I'm looking for the right word here, high quality, expensive, shiny, high-end, higher value, non-chinzy). It not getting scratched up easily is naturally part of that.

The best steel band that Apple ever put on iPhone is the one in 4 and 4S, period. Matte silver with strong properties. Stainless on XS and XS Max will scratch like crazy due to its glossy surface. As for bend, well we can agree that Steel is stronger than Aluminum, but we're talking about extreme which people rarely expose their phone into. Unless it's an accident in which the screen may crack before the frame bent.

I like the color of white, black, and product RED of XR. Unless you're a person who takes serious photography and want the best camera sensor on your pocket, then go with XR. Screen is already bigger than even 8 plus.
 
The best steel band that Apple ever put on iPhone is the one in 4 and 4S, period. Matte silver with strong properties. Stainless on XS and XS Max will scratch like crazy due to its glossy surface. As for bend, well we can agree that Steel is stronger than Aluminum, but we're talking about extreme which people rarely expose their phone into. Unless it's an accident in which the screen may crack before the frame bent.
I've seen bent iPhone 5 models, my iPhone 6 model a slight bend (simply from being the front pocket of jeans when sitting down). Both my iPhone 5 and 6 got scratched a lot quickly. My 10-month iPhone X still has far fewer scratches.

I like the color of white, black, and product RED of XR. Unless you're a person who takes serious photography and want the best camera sensor on your pocket, then go with XR. Screen is already bigger than even 8 plus.
Serious photography nerds also love the sharper, higher contrast screen of the Xs.
 
There are three factors with iOS displays:
  1. Number of points (defines how many standard UI elements fit on the screen)
  2. Number of pixels (defines how much scalable content can be shown and how sharp things look if your eyes are good enough)
  3. Physical size (defines how much content can be shown if your eyesight is a limiting factor)
The Xs max beats the Xr in the last two categories.

Yes, but the first factor is much more important than the other factors! A 2x retina display is already retina and a 3x did not improve that so much (maybe my eyesight did not notice it...). A webpage on a Xr and a Xs Max shows the same content.....
 
With these insane screen sizes, I guess my next phone will be the iPhone 7.

Kind of sucks that the only options for iOS are: super expensive, huge phone and slightly less expensive but still super expensive, even bigger phone.

That’s not true, you’ve also got extra huge incredibly expensive phone.
 
A webpage on a Xr and a Xs Max shows the same content.....
Really? Every heard of zooming on webpages? On a 3x retina screen, you can simply zoom out a little on webpages and you see more content while still keeping the same pixels per letter ratio you'd have on the non-zoomed out webpage on the Xr.
 
I've seen bent iPhone 5 models, my iPhone 6 model a slight bend (simply from being the front pocket of jeans when sitting down). Both my iPhone 5 and 6 got scratched a lot quickly. My 10-month iPhone X still has far fewer scratches.


Serious photography nerds also love the sharper, higher contrast screen of the Xs.

Fully agree, XR takes compromise in a way that only photography and design nerds would notice. It’s expensive to be a nerd.

All in all, I’ll be waiting to get my hands on both XR and XS units displayed to make my final judgment. Until then I am weighing toward XR for the value it offers.

But you haven't seen (reports or live) that iPhone 7 and 8 bent. Meaning it can be made even tougher as needed.
 
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Really? Every heard of zooming on webpages? On a 3x retina screen, you can simply zoom out a little on webpages and you see more content while still keeping the same pixels per letter ratio you'd have on the non-zoomed out webpage on the Xr.

You can zoom in and out on both iPhones. The 2x Phones are sharp enough for me, so I don't need a better pixel per letter ratio...
 
Why would you not offer 3D touch on the XR? Is it that much harder to manufacture, or costs so much more? It's a fantastic feature for editing text. shortcuts to home and work on google maps, etc. I really hope they don't do away with it after making such a BFD about it for years and getting all developers on board.

It's the first thing I turn off on my phones :) Shortly followed by Siri. A long press would be better for most purposes and need zero hardware. 3D touch is activated too easily by mistake and is hard to explain, especially because there are no UI cues. Something similar goes for the Siri button press. 3D touch is probably most useful for painting/drawing apps, but I don't use those. For UI features, it's a bit odd.

It sounds as if they have something that works almost identically on the XR, just different technology. I wouldn't be surprised to see 3D touch dropped completely going forwards though - it's probably adding quite a bit of cost to the displays and maybe also limiting other types of screen improvements.
 
You can zoom in and out on both iPhones. The 2x Phones are sharp enough for me, so I don't need a better pixel per letter ratio...

I think with 326 ppi iPhones in the past, I can see jagged edges of small letters when it's zoomed out. While my 1080p iPhone still looks decent for the most part. But yeah, I can live with jagged edges because I can't read those fonts anyway LOL
 
You can zoom in and out on both iPhones. The 2x Phones are sharp enough for me, so I don't need a better pixel per letter ratio...
When you zoom out on the Xr, you'll a critical pixel per letter ratio earlier than with the 3x retina screen of the Xs and Xs max. If, eg, 5 pixel per letter is the minimum for readability, having 50% more pixels means you can squeeze 50% more letters onto the screen. It doesn't get simpler than that.
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I don't particularly like OLED and over saturation.
And why would the last point be relevant when both Apple's Xr LCD and Xs OLED have the same gamut and the same calibration quality?
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Maybe if you just browse Facebook and similar stuff. If you use any ram intensive games or apps, then the extra RAM can make a big difference.
There is a some sort of counterbalance between the amount of RAM and speed (network, processor, storage) as well as data caps. The faster the processor, network and storage, the less time reloading stuff that got kicked out of RAM takes. To me, network speed and data caps are what makes me want to have more RAM but for others that might be less important.
 
Why would you want to view webpages (or text in emails) at a physically larger size on the Xs max (compared to the Xr) if your eyes are good enough to see the difference between 2x and 3x retina?
More pleasant to read.

There are three factors with iOS displays:
  1. Number of points (defines how many standard UI elements fit on the screen)
  2. Number of pixels (defines how much scalable content can be shown and how sharp things look if your eyes are good enough)
  3. Physical size (defines how much content can be shown if your eyesight is a limiting factor)
The Xs max beats the Xr in the last two categories.
Yes it does, but at a 57% price premium.
 
I didn't see any mention of the Plus-like landscape view on the Xr.
It has the same number of points (which govern how many standard UI elements fit onto the screen) as the Plus phones. It thus could have the same type of landscape view as them.
 
More pleasant to read.
You have the choice between more pleasant to read or more content shown. Whichever is more important to you, will be the Xs advantage for you.
Yes it does, at a 57% price premium.
If you get the 64 GB model. For the 256 GB models it is $899 vs $1149, ie, only 28%.
 
If you get the 64 GB model. For the 256 GB models it is $899 vs $1149, ie, only 28%.
No. I was comparing a 128 GB XR vs. 256 GB Max since there is no 128 GB Max available.

64 is too small for me. I could live with it but it would take a lot more careful use and maintenance.

128 GB is my sweet spot. 256 is overkill.

Hopefully the 2019 Max comes with 128 GB minimum.
 
It’s already been reported in the press that the XR gets the fancy landscape view.

Fancy? It's completely neglected by developers and completely useless. I had every iteration of a plus iphone so far, and never got one advantage of a landscape mode on plus devices.
 
Fancy? It's completely neglected by developers and completely useless. I had every iteration of a plus iphone so far, and never got one advantage of a landscape mode on plus devices.
Fancy but necessarily always useful...

Seriously though, one place where some may find it useful is in the Mail app.
 
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I would want a comparison of iPhone Xr with iphone 8 and 8+. Just how big is Xr as compared to iPhone 8 in overall dimensions?
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Why would you not offer 3D touch on the XR? Is it that much harder to manufacture, or costs so much more? It's a fantastic feature for editing text. shortcuts to home and work on google maps, etc. I really hope they don't do away with it after making such a BFD about it for years and getting all developers on board.

Can you please tell me how? I have never been able to use Force Touch effectively at all?
 
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