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iPhoto 4.0.2 Now Available

How are you gonna view CMYK on an RGB monitor?

Colonel Panik said:
I think this is a case of using the wrong app for the wrong job. iPhoto isn't going to display CYMK properly. It's a consumer app for organising your photos from your consumer-level digital camera.

You've really got to look for other software if you want colour correct reproduction. I can't offer solutions though. For pro work you need pro apps, and pro apps rarely come as free downloads.

I use iPhoto as my 'digital shoebox', but if I want to really look at a photo, then Photoshop is what I use.
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Sorry, but a comment like this really shows how void you are on the topic. Calibration of monitors, icc colour profiles, output profiles independant to devices are primary then and only then can you "emulate" colour reproduction. If your monitor is calibrated, you can see accurately the colours of your images, even in iPhoto. :eek:
 
Macrumors said:
[Update] Apple has pulled the update, both from Software Update and from downloads. So far, no reason has been given.
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No reason? OMG - that's like - SO unlike Apple. They usually are fantastic at keeping their customers informed and are superb at disseminating information about their products.

Oh no wait...
 
I really don't understand how Apple can keep quiet when they do something like this. Surely they should put a note on the download page (or in software update somehow) apologising and saying that the matter will be resolved as quickly as possible. It could be reassuring - like "please don't worry if you have already installed this update, it will not harm your system and is safe to use." If thats not the case, then we REALLY should be told something!

Its like ordering food in a restaurant but when it comes it doesn't taste very nice. The chef realises his mistake and quickly takes the dish off the menu, but without saying anything to the customers who have already ordered it. They are left with a bad taste in their mouth.

Of course because we usually like this restaurant so much, we'll all go back in the future. But for people who are there on thier first vist, they may not be too impressed that they switched from their old restaurant. Mind you, even this broken iPhoto is probably better than they got in their last restaurant :D



PS. I wonder if Steve is reading these forums while he is recouperating and not able to go to work. Best wishes to you if you are, I'm glad to hear you're making a good recovery. They need you back when you're well enough though, they can't even manage a .0.2 update without you!
 
iLife updates

Just for kicks, I checked on the timeline for the last few major updates of iPhoto.

* iPhoto 4 came out in January 2004 at Macworld Expo with the rest of the iLife updates.

* Best I can tell, there was no iPhoto 3. (Weirdly.)

* iPhoto 2 came out in January 2003 at Macworld Expo with iLife.

So if Apple stays on course, iPhoto 5 would drop in January '05 as part of an iLife refresh. So you're looking at 5 more months with this version, and maybe a x.1 update in the mean time.

iLife '05 would more than likely look like this:
* iTunes 5.0 -- possibly becoming iMedia -- driven by the new A.264/AVC codec in the (also new) Quicktime 7.0. I really see Macworld Expo '05 being all about Quicktime, and high-quality, downloadable video sounds like the killer app. Probably not a full buffet of content at the beginning; they'll do it the Apple way. A series of Apple-commissioned films a la bmwfilms.com (which I've read is doing another series) or a 13-episode run of an Apple-only TV series.

* iDVD 5 -- with support for 16:9 import and export. And probably some other A.264/AVC goodies.

* iMovie 5 -- with 16:9 support and A.264/AVC goodies.

* GarageBand 2 -- probably some kind of media pack that Apple will promote as having been used by some band in its last album. The band will come out and jam with Steve at the (slightly refreshed to add a 2.0 GHz G5) iMac.

* iPhoto 5 -- with under-the-hood improvements and more organizational options.
 
macmumma said:
Sorry, but a comment like this really shows how void you are on the topic. Calibration of monitors, icc colour profiles, output profiles independant to devices are primary then and only then can you "emulate" colour reproduction. If your monitor is calibrated, you can see accurately the colours of your images, even in iPhoto. :eek:
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Huh?
I was responding to belair, who complained about iPhoto not displaying his CYMK images properly. My response was trying to imply that iPhoto is not a tool aimed at professional photographers, or those who work in the printing industry, which I do.
How many iPhoto users do you know who have calibrated monitors or know about ICC profiles? And how many professional photographers or professional publishers do you know who use iPhoto for viewing their photos? I don't.
Does iPhoto even respect the ICC profile?
 
I keep getting Kernel Panics after I installed this stupid update. Thank god I have my Powerbook to back me up.
 
Update still available

At any rate, it appeared last night on my Software Update.
 
Colonel Panik said:
Does iPhoto even respect the ICC profile?
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Yes, but in a bizarre way when it comes to on-screen display. It applies the profile, but assumes an ideal screen instead of using the colorsync profile. iPhoto allows you to convert the image to use your monitor's profile, and it will then display correctly, but that's just weird.
 
Porchland said:
* Best I can tell, there was no iPhoto 3. (Weirdly.)
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You're right, there was no iPhoto 3. They skipped v. 3 because iTunes, iMovie and iDVD moved to v. 4. In order to make it consistent with the other iLife apps (except for GB, of course), iPhoto moved from v. 2 to v. 4.
 
Zaty said:
You're right, there was no iPhoto 3. They skipped v. 3 because iTunes, iMovie and iDVD moved to v. 4. In order to make it consistent with the other iLife apps (except for GB, of course), iPhoto moved from v. 2 to v. 4.
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It's just marketing, seems like to me. I wouldn't be surprised to see several minor updates of GarageBand get full numerals over the next year so that when iLife '06 comes out, GarageBand 6 will be the current version. Silly, isn't it?

GarageBand 3 -- featuring new colors! GarageBand 4 -- now with pink!

God forbid Apple number like Microsoft and just call everything by year. GarageBand '04. GarageBand '05.
 
drewsaur said:
Snowy,

You're making an apples to oranges comparison. Photoshop, when using its normal zooming mode, doesn't use standard bilinear interpolation for display, mostly for performance reasons, but for some other esoteric reasons as well. OTOH, iPhoto does use something closer to bilinear interpolation for its basic scaled display and can make photos look good at almost any reduced scale (however, it's duly noted that you really can never view a high res photo at full resolution in iPhoto's view and edit modes, because display is performed using a less-than-full-res "comp" - also for performance reasons.)

Again, take hold of that zooming slider in iPhoto for all basic viewing and hold the mouse button down...you'll see how nice iPhoto looks, at *all* levels of "reduction," before the Quartz filtering "snaps" into place. Do another comparison between these two methods with the above photo and ask your mother what she prefers. Don't compare iPhoto's fuzz with a simplistic Photoshop "nearest neighbor" display interpolation - it just isn't a relevant comparison.

What it comes down to is that people are throwing out photos they think are unclear - I know two people who were unaware of what was going on with their photos until I showed them. THAT makes it a real problem, *especially* for neophytes.

Drew
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In point of fact, when I was showing things to my mom, PhotoShop never came into it. I showed her the difference between iPhoto 2 (on her iMac) and iPhoto 4 (on my PowerBook) before I installed iPhoto 4 on her iMac. Now, if there are people who are throwing out photos because of this, then there needs to at least be some communication about it. My mom, on the other hand, almost returned her 2.1 mega pixel digital camera when she first got it because she thought the images in iPhoto 2 looked terrible and thought that was the fault of the camera. I had to show her that zooming in or printing out showed the true appearance of the image.

Just out of curiosity, I put together this comparison:

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I do see the difference between PhotoShop and iPhoto, but that doesn't change my point. There is an element of design philosophy in here. As I said before, I can certainly understand the desire to have this as an option, and perhaps the anti-aliasing algorithm could use an update, but I don't see this as being such a make or break issue that so many people here seem to try to cast it as.
 
~Shard~ said:
Oh, and as for your sig, Silicon Addict, I'm sorry to see that you'll be buying an IBM laptop - ah well, you gotta do what you gotta do... If you do indeed have your heart set on a G5 PowerBook, I'm afraid you'll be waiting another year... :(
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Actually I just found out about 2 weeks ago if all goes well the company I'm being outsourced to will be providing me with an IBM laptop by the end of Sept and I can bide by time for a G5 PowerBook *sighs* next year. And If all goes well not only will I get a G5 PowerBook next year but Tiger and all kinds of good updates on iLife. *does his best Mr. Burns impersonation* Excelllllent.
I REALLY don't want another PC but my Tosh 850MHz laptop is getting pretty long in the tooth and the G4 doesn't fit my needs. Even playing iTunes on it along with a few other moderately intensive apps can cause skipping. :(
Anyways. Back to iPhoto.
 
SiliconAddict said:
I REALLY don't want another PC but my Tosh 850MHz laptop is getting pretty long in the tooth and the G4 doesn't fit my needs. Even playing iTunes on it along with a few other moderately intensive apps can cause skipping. :(
Anyways. Back to iPhoto.
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Couldn't the skipping also be related to a slow hard drive? Just wondering. :)
 
I like iPhoto. I really don't understand why a lot of people hate it so much. Aside from a few minor issues (like one library per user) which are easily solved with free third party applications (iPhoto Library Manager), I really like the features included with iPhoto.

One of my favorite features is the keyword system introduced with iPhoto 4. I can't get enough use out of that. I have keywords attached to almost every photo now describing who's in the photo, the location of the photo, and more. It makes for great smart libraries when I can just search for what I want; for instance a picture of my brother, mother, and I outdoors. I really wish Apple would include this keyword system in iTunes to replace the 'Genre' or 'Grouping' meta data.
 
I know it may sound crazy. . .

. . .but I haven't had any problems with the new iPhoto update. I know I'm in the minority with this, probably, but that's the way it is for me. I've attached a screen capture showing the size of my library. It's not as large as some folks', but iPhoto has been behaving itself for me, in spite of my applying this update.

It would be interesting indeed to hear why Apple pulled the update.

FWIW

Mackie
 

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This would be a great addition to iPhoto. In iTunes you get to see the all the music in one pile just by clicking library which is conveniently the first playlist.

If only you could do this in iPhoto then it would be a great preview tool and like iTunes if they added the Ctrl-click menu option "Show Picture File" you would have convenient access to work the image with your favorite application.

But just looking at the buttons at the bottom of the iPhoto window its pretty clear that among its uses iPhoto is designed to generate up-sales in the form of Printed Photo orders and any modification that interferes with this function is not going to get in.

However, if they could make it more like iTunes, I don't see how that would interfere with the sale of printed photo orders. If you're into that. I pretty much don't print any photos and have started to move my shoe box of old photos onto CDs. Well there might be one or two photos I would print to display, but that's really only one or two.
 
i do the exactly same thing as you do, to keep an original and edited copy of each picture.
but you can do that in iPhoto easily as well.
make two albums, named them "original" and "edited".
make a copy of each picture, drag them into one of the album accordingly.
then you can do all the editing in the pictures in "edited" album.
no messing around in finder, that's the way i like it.
perhaps you can try it.

belair said:
But its not that good for work.

What I usually do, I upload my photos trough image capture, its really fast as well. Then I look at them in Nikon view and in edit in photoshop.And save the new ones in another folder with the same name only called edit.
The thing is when I edit I like to keep the original.
You never know when you touch up pictures you might want to return to the original in case you want to lower contrast. level ect. When you do that on an already retouched photo, its just gets worse.

If I want to find those pictures in iphoto trough the folder its really hard to find them. Guess I just like to know where my stuff is.
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Macheath_Messer said:
Couldn't the skipping also be related to a slow hard drive? Just wondering. :)
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7200 RPM 60GB drive and 384MB of RAM? Prob not. I've upgraded that thing as far as I can take it. Its just showing its age. *shrugs* If nothing else 1024 x 768 is starting to wear thin esp when I tweak picts in Photoshop. Nope its time for something new. My Tosh has been a reliable cinderblock (8.6lbs close to 9 with the power adapter.) of a laptop for the last 4 years. Its time for an upgrade. Which is why I've been jones'n for a G5 PowerBook. This lucky break with the company providing a laptop for me will keep me going til next year. Come on 17" G5!!

PS- For the people who have been suggesting other apps other then iPhoto thank all. I've been keeping a list of must have apps or possible replacement apps to pick up next year. Keep the tips coming guys. :)
 
That picture of the dude with the fan...

... isn't doing much for the reputation of computer forum users as a nerd herd.
 
Yep, 4.0.3 is out.

I don't like iPhoto anyway. Hey, I think iPhoto is ok for occasional a 2-megapixel party shots, but if you are a more or less "serious" hobby photographist, it's just not enough. AFAIK, it doesn't even support RAW-Files.

It's iView Media Pro for me and my D-Rebel... much better in terms of organization, exif-features, speed and so on. The only thing I miss are the scalable thumbnails, but I can live without those.
 
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