iPod II?

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Newcomer, MacNews.net.tc claims that Apple will be introducing a major iPod revision at MacWorld SF:

While details remain a bit sketchy, there definitely will be a new highend model with a colour screen, while the entry-level model will be the 10 GB version of the old variant (with new software, though).
 

arn

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not sure the point of a color screen....

arn
 

Mr. Anderson

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Originally posted by arn
not sure the point of a color screen..
Viewing pictures and movies? Ugh, here we go on round 2 of the Apple PDA......

I wonder if they'll use an LCD or go with an OLED display, it would make it a little thinner.

D
 

copperpipe

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viewing movies, think about it!

imagine if the ipod had a color screen and quicktime in there. 10 hours of movie time for your plane trip or backpacking trip or car ride (for the kids?) or whatever! Watching a movie on a small screen but with great audio would work just fine, and the space it takes up is truly amazing. Think about the small screen too, as far as compression goes. you could download a bunch of movies and mp3's onto a 20 gig drive and they still would look good on the small screen. One great product would get a whole lot better. Here's to hoping it's true!
 

edesignuk

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Re: viewing movies, think about it!

Originally posted by copperpipe
imagine if the ipod had a color screen and quicktime in there. 10 hours of movie time for your plane trip or backpacking trip or car ride (for the kids?) or whatever! Watching a movie on a small screen but with great audio would work just fine, and the space it takes up is truly amazing. Think about the small screen too, as far as compression goes. you could download a bunch of movies and mp3's onto a 20 gig drive and they still would look good on the small screen. One great product would get a whole lot better. Here's to hoping it's true!
Not quite so simple I don't think.
There is no way you'd get 10hr battery life if you were viewing movies, that colour screen would kill that battery quickly.
Also to have a decent backlight screen would mean a bigger enclosure.
 

gandalf55

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ipods aren't for watching video... i mean if i was serious about watching movies in a portable fashion, i'd drop $500 on a portable dvd player. much larger screen, controls, etc.

color screen wouldn't do much unless somehow Apple releases new apps...
 

wrylachlan

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iPhoto

If they come out with a color screen then they update iPhoto to sync with the iPod so you can take your pictures with you.
 

G4scott

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Apple WON'T use the iPod to view movies or anything like that. If they were to make a device to do something like that, it would be completely different from the current iPod. The current iPod works as a MP3 player and a portable hard drive, and not much else. The addresses and calendars on it are sometimes convenient, but there is only so much you can do with a device with a small screen, 5 buttons, and a scroll wheel...

Now, what would be interesting, is if new (or even the old) iPods supported sound in/out through the firewire port with special digital audio devices. It would be kinda cool... You'd have top quality sound, and with a 20gb HD, you could record plenty of it. Maybe even allow multi-channel audio. OK, now I'm dreaming, but dreaming never hurt anyone seriously...
 

Mr. Anderson

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Re: iPhoto

Originally posted by wrylachlan
If they come out with a color screen then they update iPhoto to sync with the iPod so you can take your pictures with you.
exactly - but go even further, make it able to store all types of files and display them. I imagine you could even see word documents, email, pdf files....its all a matter of what they do with the iPod OS.

I'm still a little sceptical at this point.

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Foocha

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I have always thought that it was significant that Apple chose to call this line "iPod" a generic name rather than "iPlayer" a music specific name. I think it was always Apple's intention that this line would eventually grow to support other iApps in addition to iTunes. Integration with iPhoto seems a logical next step.

If Apple launches a Tivo-style personal video recorder iApp for Mac, then I believe integration with iPod would be a really killer app - take your favourite TV shows with you where ever you go.

BTW - it has been possible for a long time to rip DVDs onto your Mac.
 

aasmund

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iPhoto

I think definitely they will make an iPhoto version which you can connect to your digital camera so that you can store your images when on a trip, additionally I think they will make it possible to view the images on a tv screen. if they can find a decent video-decoding chip that can do mpeg 2/4 w/o consuming heaps of power that would be added too. Same goes for colour screen. Albeit I am doubtfull that such technology exist, at the very least they would have to make it much more powersaving, i.e. automatically turn off screen after 5 secs if not in use etc. Sooner or later, though, that will be the features, imho. I also never understood why they made a separate pc and mac version.
 

robguz

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I have a much better idea. How about an ipod where the battery doesn't totally drain after having it turned off an unused for a few days? Now that would be progress. My ipod 10GB new model is totally unpredictable. Sometimes it holds a charge. Sometimes I'll go to use it after a few days and it's totally dead. I have updated tot he latest software, and tried every trick I have found on the countless Apple discussion boards where many people are having the same problem! It's nuts that Apple had let this slide so long and it's clear that all the glowing reviews are not based on using the thing for more than a couple days at most.
 

MacBandit

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Re: Re: viewing movies, think about it!

Originally posted by edesignuk

Not quite so simple I don't think.
There is no way you'd get 10hr battery life if you were viewing movies, that colour screen would kill that battery quickly.
Also to have a decent backlight screen would mean a bigger enclosure.
Why would a color screen use more battery? They didn't say that it would also have a back light. The Game Boy Advance has a color screen and no back light.
 

iwantanewmac

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Re: Yeah, I agree

Originally posted by woodsey
This thing is definatly the biggest rip off of the iPod I've seen.

Suprises me that it wasnt made by Micro$oft!

http://www.neurosaudio.com/store/product.asp?catalog_name=DigitalInnovationsCatalog&category_name=Neuros+Players&product_id=4010200&cookie_test=1
LOL! yeah and it has an USB port only....
transfering 20 GB is going to be a drag!
I love the firewire port on the ipod.
In fact I love the ipod.....,
only problem is it won't cherge that good anymore....wich is quite annoying.
And no1 has been able to solve it.
SOme say it's a bad battery and some say it's worn firewire connectors...who knows.
But it's still better than that piece of crap.
 

MacBandit

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Re: Re: Yeah, I agree

Originally posted by iwantanewmac


LOL! yeah and it has an USB port only....
transfering 20 GB is going to be a drag!
I love the firewire port on the ipod.
In fact I love the ipod.....,
only problem is it won't cherge that good anymore....wich is quite annoying.
And no1 has been able to solve it.
SOme say it's a bad battery and some say it's worn firewire connectors...who knows.
But it's still better than that piece of crap.
Giving an average throuput of 1.2MB/s (This actually may be high). It will take nearly 5 hours to copy your music over. That means you hook it up and go to bead and hopefully you didn't mess anything up or windows doesn't crash in the mean time.
 

cubist

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Is the battery on the iPod user-replaceable?

No rechargable batteries last forever.:( There are a lot of dead palm IIIs and palm Vs out there.:(
 

lazyrighteye

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Recordable Portable

Hey G4Scott, I share your same dream brother. Have you seen this?
http://www.nomadworld.com/products/Jukebox3

Background: I record a lot of live, stereo audio via my iBook/500 (in conjunction with a Roland UA-30, Peak LE (48 kHz) or Pro Tools Free (44.1 kHz), and a S/PDIF cable, usually receiving my digi stereo signal via a Tascam DA-P1). A typical recording session consists of about 2, 1.5 hour sets of music. This rig runs pretty well, but there are some real problem areas, namely battery life.
In OS 9.2.2, I can only get about 3 hours per battery. I have never once seen the bait-and-switch "5 hour battery life" claim from Apple's slickery marketing folks. Not even close (I can just barily watch a full length DVD). Regardless, I can safely get one set per battery, simply switching batteries at the set break. No biggie.
But in 10.2.2, I have yet to see even a 1.5 hour battery life (yes, these are processor intensive tasks, OS X runs hotter, asking the G3 chip to run X is asking for trouble, blah, blah, blah). This is very problematic when in the field (unable to run X in the field - bummer), and just not acceptable.

Ok, all of that was to set up: A live audio recording cohort uses a Jukebox 3 (see above link). He generally connects to the RCA OUT of my Roland UA-30, and records directly to uncompressed .wav files. Very sick. Very portable. Very cool. He then has the options of taking the recording back to his PC and either dumping it in and burning an audio disc, or converting the .wav file > mp3. He also has, out of the box, 11 hours of record time - with an extra slot for an additional 11 hour battery! Nuts!
While the Jukebox is larger than the iPod (a tad smaller than a portable CD player, which is still very portable), feature for feature it whips the iPod.

As an owner of the original 5G iPod (which I still enjoy daily), I have hoped Apple would release a record enabled iPod.
With Apple's acquisition of Logic, surely a 2 track recording iApp is on the way (iMix I'll call it), integrating seamlessly with iTunes and iMovie - with the eventual holy grail multi track audio app (Mix Master Pro I'll call it) that works in tandem with Final Cut Pro (whoa, if this were to become a reality, ANYTHING created for film or audio, on ANY level [pro/novice] would be done on Macs - woo hoo!).

Now with all of that said, surely iMix could be incorporated into the iPod, in addition to either an audio IN port (requiring a complete hardware redesign, which seems costly and unlikely), or some slick firewire dongle that would connect the iPod's firewire port to (ideally for maintaining a digi signal, and avoiding a software based A/D converter) a S/PDIF or optical connection, or even RCA or 1/8" connections (software based A/D converter required). Even at only 8 hour battery life, that's still better than 1.5 on my iBook.

I think this baby would be a hit, on many different levels, in many different applications, to many differnt people.

Big, fat, grin.
 

RBMaraman

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Re: Re: Re: viewing movies, think about it!

Originally posted by MacBandit
Why would a color screen use more battery? They didn't say that it would also have a back light. The Game Boy Advance has a color screen and no back light.
It's just like a videocamera. It you use the color LCD screen, you lose a ton of the battery life. if you use the black and white viewfinder, you keep the battery at a much higher charge. Color screens use much more battery power, mainly because a higher power source is required to convert an image to color. The gameboy advance is different because it pulls its power source from Duracell type batteries that function differently than lithium-ion batteries. This is really a coincidence, because in my film class today, we talked about battery life of screens in black and white and color.