iPod touch does not allow creating persistent playlists untethered - WTF??????

Discussion in 'iPod touch' started by mcc99, Dec 14, 2009.

  1. mcc99 macrumors newbie

    Apr 23, 2008
    That's it, I've had it. The iPod/touch is way too much trouble. Constant "upgrades" to firmware and O/S that wipes things out left and right. Being effectively required to work with Apple's ideas of how things MUST be regarding damn near everything. Typical though, just look at the Mac. There's more programmability and adaptability in Windows as an O/S than an iPod.

    But this... it's up there with building an airplane but forgetting the wings.

    I suppose the design team went out for drinks & lobotomies right before they were supposed to take up the matter of whether or not to add the most incredibly obvious, useful features to the thing. Amazing, one must hook up to a friggin' computer to create a friggin' playlist that is NOT actually *wiped out* by making the huge, Earth-shaking step of hooking the iPod up to a PC and *gasp* syncing it!!!

    It's like they decided to make this thing so annoying that one would be forced to buy the next gen of it to get this simplest of conveniences. Yeah, you're right. But I'm gonna buy a Nexus One instead.
  2. BaldiMac macrumors 604


    Jan 24, 2008
    Uhhh... the On The Go playlist is synced with iTunes.
  3. mcc99 thread starter macrumors newbie

    Apr 23, 2008
    The point

    Don't mean to sound too pi$$y but the point is that one shouldn't have to even deal with iTunes to make a persistent playlist on a device that is designed primarily to supply music, and the kind one wants to hear when he or she wants to hear it in a joyously uninterupted stream of media nouveau complete with album cover art.. id est, playlists. If I am in my car on top of Mt. Vesuvius and I want to listen to Take On Me by Ah-ha one more time followed by Beethoven's second movement followed by Jesus Christ Superstar (the original Broadway recording) all in a row without gap or interruption or having to fiddle with the damned interface, but alas I accidentally synced the thing with iTunes before I left for the top of the mountain, well then, I guess it's tough titty for me, isn't it?

    That is not good design. I will be forced to register a serious complaint to Anubis right after the lava turns me into so much steam. And it will be on the heads of those who have defended such an egrigious omission that my afterlife suffering and eons in a self-created purgatory of gripes and bitchings shall be rooted.

    Enjoy your time with Sisyphus in Hades as you answer for your questionable judgments.

  4. Borjan macrumors regular

    Sep 28, 2004
    Wait.. on normal iPods, I'm pretty sure you could save the On the Go playlists.

    Even before you reach a computer.

    And once you do sync to itunes, it automatically saves the previous on the go playlist, and I'm pretty sure it adds it to the iPod anyway.

    You saying it doesn't do this on the Touch?
  5. Darth.Titan macrumors 68030


    Oct 31, 2007
    Austin, TX
    Don't feed the troll.

    Apparently the OP hasn't figured out that it is possible to create playlists on the iPod Touch without the use of iTunes, and that these playlists are saved when you sync.

    RTFM :rolleyes:
  6. mcc99 thread starter macrumors newbie

    Apr 23, 2008
    Puhleeze. OK, if you know how to do this, then instruct me. If you have a decent link to send me to with these dirs., go ahead and give it. Otherwise, you are the typical person who accuses someone else of trollhood merely because you don't like his opinion, sense of humor, writing style, or any of these.

    Proof's in the pudding, mi papi-- what is the answer to my question, since you seem to know it? And if you supply it, I will be very grateful to you.

    No, I am saying the iPod has one "On-the-Go" playlist and seemingly no other. Then syncing to iTunes Xfers it to iTunes where it can be edited and then Xferred back. I am saying this is nuts. One should not have to do that. So is there a way to create persistent playlists (ie, they don't get blasted when you deign to fire up iTunes) without having to touch a mouse and keyboard? One would hope so. [BTW, my On-the-Go gets blasted when I connect to iTunes even though I have syncing turned off.]

    Oh yes, let me be clear - I manage my files without using 'sync'. That is because 'sync', I learned the hard way, often messes up things I don't want messed up.

    This device takes you 80% of the way there. I would be fine if it took me 95% of the way. But 80% of 15% too short, esp. when there are alternatives. If Apple hasn't learned by now they got serious competition, I predict they will soon enough. In any case, do you have an answer to this question?
  7. Borjan macrumors regular

    Sep 28, 2004
    No troll feeding here, I'm genuinely wanting to figure this out.

    On my 2g Nano, I can make an On the Go playlist. Then, I go to the playlist itself, and then I've I scroll to the very bottom of all the songs I can then select either something like 'clear playlist' or 'save playlist'. If I select save, then that playlist appears with the others as Playlist 1.

    So I'm saying my old Nano can do this years ago.

    And I do want to upgrade to a Touch. So are you saying it can't do this either?

    I should have just checked this out for myself first.


    Page 51.

    Drama over. I knew that the Touch wouldn't have this left out.
  8. BaldiMac macrumors 604


    Jan 24, 2008
    Well, that's an important piece of information. On the Go playlists do not sync if you manage your music manually. If you sync, they do what you have requested when you connect to iTunes.

  9. TraceyS/FL macrumors 601

    Jan 11, 2007
    North Central Florida
    And i'd like to add that, while it plays music, i wouldn't say it is near perfect. in fact, i'd venture to say that it is 15% music player and the rest is PDA.

    But the fact that you sync your music yourself is indeed important. But gee, i actually did the on the go playlist after reading this - so i learned something at 2am today! LOL!!
  10. Moocher macrumors regular

    Mar 5, 2008
    NE Atlanta area
    The original post is an interesting personality study.

  11. Night Spring macrumors G5

    Night Spring

    Jul 17, 2008
    On the ipod touch, there is no "save playlist" function. You can have only one On-the-Go playlist at a time, until you sync with iTunes, at which point the current On-the-Go playlist is saved as "On the Go 1" or something like that. But there is no way to save the current On-the-Go playlist while you are away from your computer -- you can add and remove songs and change song order, you can clear the playlist and start over, but you are stuck with only one On-the-Go playlist while you are on the go.
  12. Borjan macrumors regular

    Sep 28, 2004
    Right you are sir.

    I read the manual again, I somehow missed it! So the OP is correct. Lets hope this can be changed soon!
  13. TraceyS/FL macrumors 601

    Jan 11, 2007
    North Central Florida

    allow yourself to be heard where someone is listening!
  14. Sayer macrumors 6502a


    Jan 4, 2002
    Austin, TX
    Sync to iTunes (Mac or Windows) and a backup is made. Don't sync and yeah it will get reset to some degree.

    Nice strawman argument. Windows is a desktop general purpose OS. The iPod is a media player that can do *some* general purpose stuff also like a PDA.

    Apple's philosophy is that if you want to take the time to make a playlist, a Mac/PC is the place to do that. If you want to make ad-hoc playlists you can either make an On the Go playlist or you can select a song and tap the Genius icon.

    It sounds to me like you are the one who is insisting on things be done *your* way only. If you don''t like the iPod touch get a Zune and try that. No one is forcing you to keep using the iPod touch. You must have such a frustrating life if you apply this world view to everything else.

    Zoloft: it works wonders!
  15. malnar macrumors 6502a


    Aug 20, 2008
    Isn't that how it is with non-Touch Ipods, too? You have an On The Go playlist that can be added to, you know, "on the go." When you're not "on the go," connected to the computer, it "stops" that playlist and the next time you use it, starts a new one. I've never purposely created OTG lists, but somehow have created several OTGs accidentally on my various Ipods over the years.

    And for the OP, I have found the best way to handle filling your Ipod/Touch/Iphone/etc. is to automatically sync it, but have a playlist that you dump whatever you want into it. In other words, you aren't syncing everything in your library, but just one playlist in particular. You are essentially automatically syncing a manual playlist. This way I keep track of my playcounts, etc. while maintaining the ability to easily determine what does and does not go on my player - regardless of whether it is attached to my computer.
  16. mcc99 thread starter macrumors newbie

    Apr 23, 2008
    Zoloft didn't sut it

    I tried that and in fact it did nothing. So I am trying the latest, most promising antidepressant soon to be released: that'd be the Nexus One (btw, I am NOT a Google employee and really think they have assumed some of the characteristics that they used to gripe about re Msoft, and now, quite rightly Apple. It's the "F*ck them, we're ___fill in the blank___" 'tude. It's not something companies can afford to have anymore. Anyway, I do have a pal from grad school who "joined" Google (as they used to call it) over 10 yrs ago and has been there since. He has watched it evolve from a place of creative carefree youthfulness to testy annoying spoiled-brat petulance and dramatic political me-ism and bullying. But he did say he's been a beta for the Nexus One for the past year and says it does anything you can think of, including allow you to make playlists without needing to hook it up to anything. In fact, you need no "sync"-ware at all. It's YOURS. He said it is now his PDA, phone, etc., and could not imagine using anything but it. And he is a power-gadget freak who puts me to utter shame.

    I will be among the first to buy it when it hits the street. Apple, are you listening? Wake your a$$es up! The icy-cold breath of Death is a-chillin' y'alls down yer necks!


  17. mrkgoo macrumors 65816

    Aug 18, 2005
    Frankly, I've NEVER used the on the go playlist making. Are you sure that such a feature is SO important it's going to determine the future of the company? Sure, maybe it's something you need, in which case you move on to a device that does it, end story, everyone's happy.
  18. mcc99 thread starter macrumors newbie

    Apr 23, 2008
    Like I care about anything but the matter at hand

    Yes, it is. I don't care if it's unimportant to you. I care only if it's important to me. That's all there is to it. As for the future of Apple, likewise, I don't care. I care about getting a device that allows me to make playlists that survive contact with the mgt software without me having to keep large amt of media I don't listen to on my PC. Just what kind of dope were they smoking when they decided this was the way to go and can I get some before tomorrow?

    I also don't care if it was or was on the design spec. The Market cares nothing about specs. It wants what it wants. I want what I want and so do you, and you, and you, and him, and her, etc., etc... No excuses suffice. When a better product appears, I go with it.

    So there.


  19. Night Spring macrumors G5

    Night Spring

    Jul 17, 2008
    The ipod/itunes is designed so that the master copy of your media would be on a PC and the copy on an ipod is just temporary. I think part of the reason they did it this way is to appease the recording/film industry by preventing people from swapping media via the ipod. If this system does not work for you, then by all means, you should find another media player / media manager combination. Perhaps your energy is better spent looking for something that works for you rather than ranting on a forum meant to help people interested in working with the ipod/itunes system.
  20. mcc99 thread starter macrumors newbie

    Apr 23, 2008
    Finally, some closure

    Be that as it may I don't care what you think I ought to go do. I want the thing I bought to work for me, not the other way 'round.

    If Apple was SOOOO concerned about the media giants, then gee, they should have done the noble thing and not produced the iPod. But where there is profit in the offing, there is no morality. That is true everywhere and always. "Oh, they could have made the iPod, but Apple threw itself on the fire in the name of recording interests' profitability and refrained from creating the most whacked out file mgt. software in history! Oh the poor things! Now look at them, they're destitute!"

    As me grandpappy used to say... what a load of a**. The Devil's bargain Apple and RIAA got into is enough to make me hurl my guts all day and then push on into night with dry heaves.

    More from the tinfoil hat ledger....I discovered recently also that my iTunes 7.5 had been somehow stealth-updated to 8.0. I didn't do that. "Somehow", that gone done. Well also recently I plugged it in to my laptop and iTunes launched automatically and tried to sync the unit. I had turned that "feature" off, previously. And after unplugging the iPod fast to keep iTunes from wrecking it, I found that the option to keep this from happening somehow had disappeared from the iTunes prefs, too. Hmmm.. curiouser and curioser.

    I uninstalled iTunes.

    My search continued and praise all goodness, I stumbled across Media Monkey at mediamonkey.com. It's free, and it does not destroy your iPod if *gasp* you happen to have a diffrent set of files available on your machine v. the unit. And how about this... it allows you to move files FROM the iPod TO your PC! HOLYFREAKINGSHITE! And.... and... it allows you to make new Playlists too... using files on the iPod, not on your PC!!!! HOLY COW!

    Well, not as good as being able actually to do this on your iPod but this is progress. At least one need not keep 2.7 GB of .mp3 files on one's PC just so he can manage his own files on his own iPod.

    I am declaring this thread closed. Respond if you like, but I am done here, as the evidence speaketh for itself. As I have nothing further to say, and so will not, except... "Enjoy your holidays"
  21. malnar macrumors 6502a


    Aug 20, 2008
    Apple made the deal they had to make in order to sell music. Plain and simple. The music store, since you don't appear to know, didn't start at the same time as the first Ipod was introduced. It came along a couple years later.

    Wrong. Totally, completely wrong. You updated it accidentally or selected something to let it automatically update, but it didn't do it by itself. I've never even heard of this happening and I've been around these forums, Ilounge, etc. for over 5 years. It doesn't just happen like magic.

    Do what you want. MediaMonkey is great software, no doubt about it. I used it for a long time when I was chained to a PC, but not to manage my Ipods, just to rip CDs and manage artwork.

    Again, do what you want, but keeping all of your music solely on a portable player is not just IMO but in MOST people's "O" just asking for it. Bad things happen at random and all it takes is one of those things to lose it all - forever. There's more than one reason why Apple wants you to keep your music on your PC. It's not just to keep you from giving it to friends. It's a "safe harbor." Your PC stays in one place, your player goes with you and endures the risky stuff. If something catastrophic happens, you always have it at home. And, seriously, you're concerned about 2.7gb of music? I have 220gb of music on my Macbook. You can't afford a measly 2.7gb of space?

    There are a lot of dumb complaints about how Itunes works with Ipods, but this was one of the dumber ones, for sure. It's very sensible software, for the most part, and many people here explained it very sensibly, many times, and still you went on the attack over and over. Personally, I really wish people like you would just not buy Apple products. You think everything's greener everywhere, so please, check out the other side and let us know what you think after a while. My guess is you'll want to come back pretty quickly (but some don't, and you may be among them, and that's fine.) If you just learn the logic of Itunes, you'll understand it, but you're more interested in fighting it and trying to do things the old Microsoft way, which is "freedom to do anything, including screw it all up." More power to you.
  22. SG1-1 macrumors member

    Apr 30, 2009

    Just stop it,
    You have been complaining since day one about the iPod touch and Apple related issues, A simple search of your post's make it clear you are a "TROLL" and come back every few months to start Some diluted B.S. issue to make yourself feel important, First it is jail breaking in April now it is this to go along with all the other cut downs to all things Apple.

    I See you for who and what you are and so should all the other good people that try to help you and get sucked into your feeble attempt at confrontation you try to trap them in.

    "Here an April post from the OP, Then each of you decide what is the intentions of the poster, Needing Help or to create malice.
    See it for what it is.

    Why the OP rehashes an old argument that he started 9 months ago and then tries to make it sound like this has been unknown to him or her is proof enough of "TROLLING"

    And NOW to top it all off the OP Post this little Jewell,
    "I am declaring this thread closed. Respond if you like, but I am done here, as the evidence speaketh for itself. As I have nothing further to say, and so will not, except..."

    Antagonize then run away like a scared rabbit, "This is Trolling Behavior"

    Facts are,
    A Troll is a Troll and , Still the same thing, Rehash a 9 month old post, disappear (Like a troll only to collect toll) then not post anything for 9 months and then Start the Same post again.... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
    Oh the Humanity;)

    Ahh, if it wasn't for malcontents and unstable Shi*t Stirrers, it would make it so much more difficult to tell the true ingrates from the mentally unstable.

    :apple:And to all the Good Folks out there that go out the Way to help Others.:apple:

    Have a Very Happy Holiday Season and a Safe New Year!!!

    "What did I do with that Troll Spray".... Dear Santa if its not to late could yo......:D

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