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Speed bumps aren't all that attractive when there are no new hardware features otherwise.

you're obviously a lot more patient than I am.

the iphone 3g was annoyingly slow and unresponsive (at least in my eyes), while the 3gs finally feels like the phone can keep up with what the user wants to do. if the ipod touch speed boost was even close to as big (i know the previous touch was a little faster than the 3g) then it'd be extraordinarily attractive (if I didnt already have the iphone)
 
Ipod Touch 3G without camera is a fail Apple.

You have 1 year to make this thing..come on! and one month earlier..ups..the cameras does not work...lets say that is game machine! xD xD
 
you're obviously a lot more patient than I am.

the iphone 3g was annoyingly slow and unresponsive (at least in my eyes), while the 3gs finally feels like the phone can keep up with what the user wants to do. if the ipod touch speed boost was even close to as big (i know the previous touch was a little faster than the 3g) then it'd be extraordinarily attractive (if I didnt already have the iphone)
I have plenty of other toys to keep my time occupied in waiting for Apple to get their products right. :p

My Core i5 750 has me occupied for now.
 
Not to rain on anyone's parade but my two 2nd gen Touchs with 2.2 can boot in 22 seconds, so the 31 seconds listed for 3.1.1 is a step in the wrong direction.
 
Am I the only one who finds it unfair that the new iPod Touch 32/64 GB is slightly FASTER than even the 3GS???

I mean, the 3GS is new too, and we have to pay $100+ a month to use it. And we are bound to a contract.

And now iPod Touch owners can buy one, not pay anything else afterwards, and theirs is faster than the 3GS.

NOT FAIR, Apple. Honestly why couldn't it have been the same speed as the 3GS???
 
Am I the only one who finds it unfair that the new iPod Touch 32/64 GB is slightly FASTER than even the 3GS???

I mean, the 3GS is new too, and we have to pay $100+ a month to use it. And we are bound to a contract.

And now iPod Touch owners can buy one, not pay anything else afterwards, and theirs is faster than the 3GS.

NOT FAIR, Apple. Honestly why couldn't it have been the same speed as the 3GS???

...


you have a camera, a phone, and all the time internet.

If you're serious, please go jump in a pool with your iphone in hand.

If you're not, cute comment.
 
This whole faster thing is always great, but now with some solid competition, it won't hold up in the long run. I don't care much for the camera, but there is only so much that apple can do with this thing. Leaving stuff out isn't the answer.
 
Am I the only one who finds it unfair that the new iPod Touch 32/64 GB is slightly FASTER than even the 3GS???

I mean, the 3GS is new too, and we have to pay $100+ a month to use it. And we are bound to a contract.

And now iPod Touch owners can buy one, not pay anything else afterwards, and theirs is faster than the 3GS.

NOT FAIR, Apple. Honestly why couldn't it have been the same speed as the 3GS???
The iPod Touch runs less background tasks since it doesn't need to support phone functionality and always be checking the cell network. That means that even with identical processor specs, which seems to be the case here, the iPod Touch would often be faster than the iPhone 3G S since it has more free RAM and free CPU cycles. If you feel this is such a big concern for you, then you can always use one of Apple's feedback forms and ask them to further cripple/software bloat the iPod Touch to ensure they can never outperform a comparatively specced iPhone. I guess it's a good thing Apple didn't include a camera in the iPod Touch otherwise existing iPhone owners would be up at arms. :eek:
 
^ So are you saying putting an iPhone in Airplane Mode will make it run just as fast as the new 3G Touch??? Or, if not that, at least a little faster than it would with Airplane Mode off???
 
^ So are you saying putting an iPhone in Airplane Mode will make it run just as fast as the new 3G Touch??? Or, if not that, at least a little faster than it would with Airplane Mode off???

There is still quite a bit more phone-related software that is always on the
3GS and it uses up more RAM at every startup compared to the iPod Touch.

It is only marginally faster (if it is faster at all and it probably is only marginally faster in some areas) not enough to notice anything huge.

What WAS huge though was how much faster the iPod Touch 2G was over the iPhone 3G. That was enough to have me a little POd.
 
^ So are you saying putting an iPhone in Airplane Mode will make it run just as fast as the new 3G Touch??? Or, if not that, at least a little faster than it would with Airplane Mode off???
Possibly. It may free up a few CPU cycles, but probably won't free up RAM since the cell functionality probably didn't quit, but is just inactive. Most of the heavy cell phone communication lifting I believe is done by a dedicated modem processor, while the CPU is used for control and interfacing with the user. I doubt it'd be a noticeable difference either way. I haven't heard that the 3rd gen iPod Touch is hugely faster than the iPhone 3G S anyways.
 
The performance improvements of the 3GS and the new Touch models do not get the credit they are due. Seems like most people would prefer to have more bells and whistles plastered on rather than having the core user experience improved by leaps and bounds.

This is why Microsoft, Sony and the other PMP makers just go for more features all the time at the expense of usability. Look at the new Zune - it's got "HD" people!! Wow, HD... on a tiny low-res screen. Great. And OLED!!! With great contrast and deeper blacks... as long as you're in a dimly-lit closet that is. People chose gadgets based on the length of the spec list, not the actual usability of the product. It's a shame.

I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I'd rather have speed. I've owned various PDAs, Windows smartphones, and an iPhone 3G before I upgraded to the 3GS. Before the 3GS, I was constantly reminded that I was using a shrunk-down, compromised computer every time I waited through another lag or slow web page render. I'd often opt to go find a PC to load a web page, just because my smartphone would render it too slow. No longer. My 3GS is the first smartphone I've ever owned with amazing capabilities, a beautiful UI, and SPEED TO BACK IT ALL UP!

It's not about shaving milliseconds. With the 3GS, I probably save tens of minutes every hour that I use it, compared to the 3G.
 
Am I the only one who finds it unfair that the new iPod Touch 32/64 GB is slightly FASTER than even the 3GS???

I mean, the 3GS is new too, and we have to pay $100+ a month to use it. And we are bound to a contract.

And now iPod Touch owners can buy one, not pay anything else afterwards, and theirs is faster than the 3GS.

NOT FAIR, Apple. Honestly why couldn't it have been the same speed as the 3GS???



We pay for software updates, that's where they get us iPod touch users for no contract ;)
 
It's is always funny to see people freak out when "inferior" products start encroaching in their land of elitism. This brings back the whole "Is the 13" MBP really Pro?" thing.
 
Speed bumps aren't all that attractive when there are no new hardware features otherwise.

The graphics chip is significantly better. I wouldn't call 150-200% faster processing a "speed bump", either; that's quite substantial.

--Eric
 
What I really want to see is a bit of detective work. That is I want to find out the following:
  1. How much RAM is contained in the latest rev iTouches.
  2. For that matter how does the CPU differ from the one in the 3GS

1. It is very likely to be 256MB, but most of the details won't be able to be verified until the phone is jailbroken.
2. The iPod touch has a Samsung S5L8922X processor+RAM package, the 3GS has a S5L8920X. It is unknown at this stage what the differences are. While it is certain it has a PowerVR SGX, it is unknown if it is the same SGX 535 variant at this stage.
 
Missed something!

It seems like a waste if you already have an iPhone.

You must have missed the part about not having enough storage on iPhone. Right now the lack of Flash space is iPhones biggest problem.

Dave
 
Since when are launch times considered benchmarks? Is the processor faster or just the flash interface?

Random thought: The iPhone 3GS has been out for several months and the new 3G iPod Touch just came out with comparable graphics capabilities. By the time there are games that fully utilize the 3GS/iPod Touch specs (if ever) there will be a bigger better iPhone. When will developers get to catch up to put out good apps for current devices????
The point is continuous improvement. Developers can step into the product stream at any time, and users don't try to time purchases for the perfect release. Some devs will target the latest hardware for the most whizz-bang mojo, and some devs will target the largest installed base for the most potential revenue.
Am I the only one who finds it unfair that the new iPod Touch 32/64 GB is slightly FASTER than even the 3GS???
Yes.
 
Where does it say the new Touch is faster? I posted my SunSpider results as being 15.4s on my 32GB 3GS w/ the 3.1 firmware. I repeated it twice.

You can't compare their old 3.0 firmware tests on the 3GS.
 
You must have missed the part about not having enough storage on iPhone. Right now the lack of Flash space is iPhones biggest problem.

Dave
I didn't miss that point. You're not going to see capacity jumps on the iPhone that often.

Are you going for 64 GB?
 
I have plenty of other toys to keep my time occupied in waiting for Apple to get their products right. :p

My Core i5 750 has me occupied for now.

Ah, building a new rig? Good luck. :cool: Just helped my brother build an i7 920 rig, and it was pretty fun. Still have to overclock it though.

Unfortunately for me, I just succumbed to the iPod touch, and a 32GB 3rd gen is now on the way. My 2G Nano was getting pretty small though, and I don't have an iPhone or anything.

Glad to see the speed boost is significant! I can only hope developers take more advantage of the graphics later.
 
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