IPP 9.7- My Take

Discussion in 'iPad' started by Kulfon, Apr 22, 2016.

  1. Kulfon macrumors 6502

    Nov 4, 2013
    Hi all,
    This is my 3rd iPad. I purchased my first iPad before I got an iPhone. I think it was a 2nd generation. Then I got myself an iPad Air and now I have an iPad Pro 9.7.

    After the iPad Air I thought that I will never get an iPad again as it is impossible to do any serious work with it and I ended up using it for movies and internet browsing.

    I do a lot of photography and photo editing and I love the new Retina MBP 15" - fantastic tool for photo editing, great screen.

    Coming back to an iPad Pro. I thought that the new Pencil will make a big difference dor notes taking, highlighting books that I am reading and some photo work. But let me tell you think, I literally see almost no real difference between the IPP and the Air. Yes, it is faster, better speakers, but it changes nothing.

    I tried taking notes, but I hate the experience. I truly prefer a piece of paper and a pencil or pen. You have a physical contact with a real paper, you engage more senses when you write, there is no lag, there is a sound when you write. Personally, I only use this new iPad for watching movies on-line and sometimes internet browsing. The size of the iPhone makes me want to use iPhone for web browsing, all the serious work I do on MacBook and I read physical books as well as take notes physically.

    This is just my experience and my take on it, but I think Apple really turned so many people into religious followers reasy to spend last money on their products.
  2. TheRealAlex macrumors 65816

    Sep 2, 2015
    For me it's the opposite the Apple Pencil and Smart Connector offer infinite possibilities. Drawing lets me be more creative in this dull world. I would never go out and spend Hundreds of dollars on Art equipment. But it's all built right in to Procreate. And being in the healthcare field CAnatomy is quite literally the future of many aspects of the medical field chart wise.

    I don't need my laptop anymore period. I look at what device is best to accomplish a given task. My daily uses are.

    Education (CAnatomy)
    Signing PDF forms

    Thes best device on the market is the iPad Pro 9.7 period. I really wanted a Samsung Tab S2 but it's just not up to task and besides Android tablets rarely get major updates. They are a bad investment. But Apple will support its devices for a long time.
  3. Night Spring macrumors G5

    Night Spring

    Jul 17, 2008
    I kind of agree that the 9.7 iPad Pro is just an improved version of the iPad Air, if you don't have use for the Pencil. As for note taking with the Pencil, some people love it, and others don't. So you tried it, and discovered that it didn't work for you. But I'm curious why you aren't returning it. Did it take you more than two weeks to determine its not for you?
  4. Kulfon thread starter macrumors 6502

    Nov 4, 2013
    The best for who? Sorry, I said it is my take, but you say it is the best device. I do photography and I have no way to do editing in iPad. Agree, it is good for web browsing, watching movies (including Netflix), signing PDF. But you cannot replace a serious workflow with iOS and a regular paper and a pencil is a much better experience for scetching and etc.
    Just a marketing hype.

    --- Post Merged, Apr 23, 2016 ---
    Do not assume everybody lives in US and you have the same return policy everywhere:) yeap, it is the same thing as iPad Air ans same chassis. Even a design change to make a screen from edge to edge be a greater improvement. Becoming angry with Apple's policy to milk people
  5. Night Spring macrumors G5

    Night Spring

    Jul 17, 2008
    Ok, so you live in a country where they don't have return periods. But in that case, couldn't you have read reviews, and asked for people's opinions before buying? I think many reviews did come to the conclusion that it was just an improved iPad Air. The only thing you couldn't know before buying is whether or not the Pencil would work for you for note taking. Everything else you are complaining about, you could have found out before buying.
  6. Kulfon thread starter macrumors 6502

    Nov 4, 2013
    Sorry if you take it this way. Not complaining at all. I just share my opinion.

    I do not to complain or force people to think the same way. I used to like Apple products, but my opinion changed...probably because of what I know about Apple today and what I see.

    My personal approach:
    1. IPhone is no longer the best smartphone. I used to have 5s and I have 6s today, but my next phone is unlikely goong to be an iPhone. My brother moved to Nexus 6p and it is an awesome device for a much cheaper price

    2. IPad - could be the best tablet on the market, but for me personally...the hype is gone and I see nothing transformational coming with each generation

    3. MacBook Pro - fantastic product and a big deal breaker for me as I am a photographer. I with I had a Broadwell processor with 4K screen when I bough it last year, but I am extremely pleased with what it is offering

  7. Night Spring macrumors G5

    Night Spring

    Jul 17, 2008
    Not quite sure what you mean here. In American English, "deal breaker" is something that causes you to call off a deal. We wouldn't use that expression to describe a product we are pleased with.

    I don't know enough about other smartphones to know how iPhone compares to them, but iPhone suits my needs, and I don't feel like going out of my way to switch.

    The iPad is my most used device, and when at home, it never leaves my hand. I use the iPhone when I go out. My computers get used less and less each yèar, as I find more and more things doable from iOS. I know there are people who find the iPad too limiting to meet their computing needs, but for me, the 12.9 iPP is almost there. The 9.7 was about 70-80% there, but the screen was too small.

    Not that I agree with every single thing Apple does, but overall, to me it feels like they are headed in the right direction.
  8. masotime macrumors 68000


    Jun 24, 2012
    San Jose, CA
    You have a very odd take on the situation. "Religious" or not, plenty of people enjoy Apple products. Everyone has a right to enjoy what they like, and everyone is free to not agree with what others like. The only "bad" thing I can think of is that if these.... religious people try to evangelize and force others to buy Apple products.

    Did anyone force you to buy your iPad Pro?

    I respect your opinion, and you raise some good points. However, you're really requesting a very specific kind of experience here. You're looking for
    • a perfect analog of the Pen and Paper electronically (this is non-existent - you always need a specifically engineered stylus, you can't just pick up any Pen / Pencil and use it on a screen and get a perfect experience)
    • a very specific resolution to do serious photography (4K on a laptop)
    • essentially a notebook equivalent in tablet form factor supporting your full range of photography tools.
    • ? not sure what you're looking for in a book-equivalent
    With such requirements, you should probably have gotten a Surface Pro 4 / Surface Book, and paired it with a Kindle e-Reader. There is no other device on the market now that fits all your requirements. What you're essentially complaining about is that Apple couldn't come up with a perfect device specifically tailored to your needs.

    Frankly I don't see why you're surprised. The iPad is already the best-in-class tablet out there. I'm sorry it didn't fit your needs, but I think you need to have a proper perspective check on your expectations...
  9. AlexJoda macrumors regular


    Apr 8, 2015
    If you recommend him a Surface it might even make more sense to recommend a real notebook/MacBook because the Surface is a worse notebook and even a more worse tablet, especially for photographic jobs...
  10. masotime macrumors 68000


    Jun 24, 2012
    San Jose, CA
    He does already have a MacBook. He seems to also want the perfect stylus that feels exactly like pen and paper - you're not going to get that from a "real notebook".
  11. Nhwhazup macrumors 68000


    Sep 2, 2010
    New Hampshire
    And for me the experience is just the opposite of the OP. I have had iPhones, MacBook Pro since 2008 and iPads since the first one. My prior iPad was the iPad Air and when I got my iPhone 6 Plus and then 6S Plus, I used the iPad less and less. However, when the new iPad 9.7 came out with the Pencil, I had to have it. And I've not been disappointed at all. The new iPad Pro 9.7 is super fast compared to my last iPad. I really like the portability and flexibility of the new ASK. I use a PC for main computer at work. But my iPad is my right hand when it comes to Task Management and note taking. I love the Pencil and Notability app for note taking and haven't used a pad and paper since. When I'm on travel it's my main method to check email and pull up documents. I love that I have everything I need in a small package that I can answer questions on the fly. In travel I don't always have access to wifi for the laptop PC but my iPad is always connected. Even if I don't have service, I can pull up documents via my Airstash.

    Then of course the leisure use is also top notch.

    I do like my Apple products but also tell it like it is. My IPhone 6 Plus was an outright dog. I loved the size of the phone itself but I couldn't wait to trade up to the S. Usually I wait a couple of years. Right now, with the 6S Plus and Pro 9.7, I feel that I have the best devices ever from Apple.
  12. docal97 macrumors 6502a


    Jun 28, 2006
    I absolutely love the IPP. I use for everything, and I haven't really used my MBA in the past 3 weeks. I find the speed and the screen to be absolutely amazing. I love the Smart Keyboard. I have the pencil but rarely use it.
    OVerall, I love the portability, love the ability to multi-task and quickly open apps to Ck emails and use one password, send a quick text etc. Plus the P-I-P feature is great!

    Hoping of course for some improvements to IOS at WWDC, such as improvments and further customization to slide over for better multi-tasking.
  13. spiderman0616 macrumors 68030


    Aug 1, 2010
    Same---in fact, I'll do you one better--I SOLD my MacBook Pro. This iPad Pro has done such a good job taking over all my tasks, the laptop would have been redundant. For me, the Pencil and the Smart Connector are the killer features here. People are overlooking how convenient it is to not only have a keyboard built into your Smart Cover, but to also not have to remember to charge it or ever worry about re-pairing it or having it go to sleep when you need it.

    I'm not using the Pencil for notes at all--I take most of my notes just by typing them--but I am using it for creating sketches and "paintings" on Paper, and I can easily burn HOURS doing that without even realizing it. And when I feel like completely turning my brain off, I even use it for coloring book apps.

    I used to tell myself, "I don't need anything else in my backpack. My iPad is my book, magazine, iPod, TV, and newspaper." Now I can add "laptop and sketch pad" to that list. Having functionality added to a device that was already amazing is quite a great feeling.
  14. rui no onna macrumors 601

    rui no onna

    Oct 25, 2013
    Meanwhile, faster with more storage is exactly what I wanted. I've recently been browsing graphic-heavy sites and the Air handled those slowly and was prone to crashing. The IPP's much faster A9X chip and 2GB RAM was a welcome reprieve. Despite not needing the Pencil or ASK, for me the IPP makes for an excellent replacement to my Air.

    That said, when co-workers ask me for advice on what iPad to buy, I usually recommend last gen certified refurbs from the Apple Store. The people who ask me are usually trying to save money. Those who already know what they want the IPP for typically don't need to ask for advice.
  15. Kulfon thread starter macrumors 6502

    Nov 4, 2013
    It is clear that for some people moving from PC to an iPad is a positive change because of their workflow and what how they use it.

    This is how I use my MacBook:
    1. 90% of time it Photo editing
    2. 9% is writing documents (need file browsing)
    3. 1% of time is web browsing in parallel with points 1 and 2.

    So iPad cannot offer anything despite big claims of Tim Cook that it can replace a PC. Clearly not for me or people like me.

    The whole iPad lineup --> I guess it is obvious that devices become faster with each iteration. There is no point in stating the obvious that the IPP is faster than the Ipad Air. If you use it for web browsing or Netflix it makes no difference. Apple pencil - I downloaded many apps, spent enough of time to understand how they can be used and got back to a piece of paper and a pen as it is offering a great experience - it is working, it is intuitive, it is great and very personal. IPad will never replace a real canvas no matter what people say. Maybe when I will see a painting created with the help of an iPad in a famous gallery, I will change my mind. But it is just not going to happen.

    Taking notes is a lot more comfortable in a traditional way. Reading books and makimg notes is also much easier and nicer. I tried on an iPad and it is rubish. Again, it is not consistent and depends on what a specific app has on offer.

    It is milking the same cow and using a powerful marketing to influence a certain life style on people to make buy more of these devices and make them upgrade on a yearly basis.
  16. masotime macrumors 68000


    Jun 24, 2012
    San Jose, CA
    You end every one of your posts with this same attitude. Why do you care so much about this? Just don't buy iPads any more and you're done. Isn't that what you originally pledged to do?

    The problem really is with you. You keep on buying the iPad and letting Apple "milk you". Think about that for a moment...
  17. Nhwhazup, Apr 23, 2016
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2016

    Nhwhazup macrumors 68000


    Sep 2, 2010
    New Hampshire
    It's pretty obvious that for some, the IPP is either a terrific tool to either use along with a PC or Mac for work and some others find they can use it as a replacement. Others don't see it. I'm sure it has a lot to do with what you do for work. I actually have some things that ar easier for me to do on my IPP so I truly use it in conjunction with my PC laptop in my job.
  18. rui no onna macrumors 601

    rui no onna

    Oct 25, 2013
    No difference for watching Netflix but I've found the speed definitely makes a big difference browsing on Tumblr (at least compared to the first Air, don't have an Air 2).

    That said, I buy iPads as leisure and consumption devices. For that, it has worked marvellously for me. However, at work (engineering and construction field), lots of the software we use are Windows-specific so even the latest, top of the line iPad can't replace a 10-year old Windows desktop/laptop there.

    The IPP may not be good value for money for you. Personally, I'm on the iPad 90% of the time (well, when not working) so for me, it's absolutely worth it based on $/hr used.

    Physical books are not an option anymore. I'd need to buy a multi-million dollar home if I want to have enough shelf space for a physical equivalent of my digital library.

    Besides, most folks aren't upgrading on a yearly basis. I remember reading an article with statistics showing that the iPad with greatest market share even now is still the iPad 2. Sure, Apple spends a ton in marketing to get people to buy the latest model. However, it doesn't seem like a lot of consumers are biting.

    Personally, much like PCs, I don't expect new smartphones and tablets to wow me. The first iPhone and iPad were game changers. Everything after are iterative improvements. What I expect is for the new device to be faster and handle tasks better than the older model.
  19. azentropy macrumors 68000


    Jul 19, 2002
    And how many people use their PC 90% for photo editing?

    Fine to have your take, but really not sure what you were expecting. Shame you can't return it, which would make me think you really should have paid even more attention to other's reviews and experiences than a typical person who could return it.
  20. fanta88 macrumors 6502

    Apr 10, 2015
    I think you have legitimate criticisms. Certainly the whole perspective of 'replace your PC with the IPP' is marketing more than anything else. However, if 90% of your PC work is photo editing, you really should have done your due diligence in reading all the reviews and soliciting opinions before purchasing such an expensive device.
  21. MyopicPaideia macrumors 68000


    Mar 19, 2011
    Trollhättan, Sweden
    So basically your whole premise is based on there not being "serious" photo editing apps on the iPad? Meaning that if suddenly the entire full on Adobe CC suite was released for iPad Pro tomorrow, you would suddenly have the ability to ditch your precious MBP?

    And then you end every post with a miguided rant about how Apple is creating cult of blind religious sheeple with its iPad marketing?

    Come on, are you being serious or just having a wind up?

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