It was always easy to see. You can find numerous posts saying just that, from before the apple tv launched, or from before the iPad launched and the same iProd placeholder was used.
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'iProd2,1' Confirmed to Be New Apple TV, Not Next-Generation iPad
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It was always easy to see. You can find numerous posts saying just that, from before the apple tv launched, or from before the iPad launched and the same iProd placeholder was used.
But that still doesn't give you a way to simulate touch screen input for the AppleTV and your television. It could be done, but as discussed in past threads its not straightforward. The reason touch screen input works well is because you are looking at the screen while you are touching it. You could use the phone like a magic trackpad, but that still only gives you basically a remote mouse. iOS apps aren't designed for mouse use, though some might be easily adaptible to that, yes.
Agreed. But for now, I'd be happy with replacing my Mac Mini + TV with AppleTV + Tv for web browsing and email in the living room.
Here's a question for you Arn:
Of all the 'Rumors' that you post here, how many of them have actually come to fruition? 10%
I'm starting to realize that MacRumors is just a cover where smug Apple zealots go to talk trash about 'inferior' PC products.
Post your track record, should be interesting.
A Rumor site is bound to have inaccurate information the majority of the time by definition.
To paraphrase Malcom Gladwell "
The national-security expert Gregory Treverton has famously made a distinction between puzzles and mysteries. Osama bin Laden's whereabouts are a puzzle. We can't find him because we don't have enough information. The key to the puzzle will probably come from someone close to bin Laden, and until we can find that source bin Laden will remain at large.
The problem of what would happen in Iraq after the toppling of Saddam Hussein was, by contrast, a mystery. It wasn't a question that had a simple, factual answer. Mysteries require judgments and the assessment of uncertainty, and the hard part is not that we have too little information but that we have too much. The C.I.A. had a position on what a post-invasion Iraq would look like, and so did the Pentagon and the State Department and Colin Powell and Dick Cheney and any number of political scientists and journalists and think-tank fellows. For that matter, so did every cabdriver in Baghdad.
The distinction is not trivial. If you consider the motivation and methods behind the attacks of September 11th to be mainly a puzzle, for instance, then the logical response is to increase the collection of intelligence, recruit more spies, add to the volume of information we have about Al Qaeda. If you consider September 11th a mystery, though, you'd have to wonder whether adding to the volume of information will only make things worse. You'd want to improve the analysis within the intelligence community; you'd want more thoughtful and skeptical people with the skills to look more closely at what we already know about Al Qaeda. You'd want to send the counterterrorism team from the C.I.A. on a golfing trip twice a month with the counterterrorism teams from the F.B.I. and the N.S.A. and the Defense Department, so they could get to know one another and compare notes.
If things go wrong with a puzzle, identifying the culprit is easy: it's the person who withheld information. Mysteries, though, are a lot murkier: sometimes the information we've been given is inadequate, and sometimes we aren't very smart about making sense of what we've been given, and sometimes the question itself cannot be answered. Puzzles come to satisfying conclusions. Mysteries often don't.
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Some pf what we read here on this site are puzzles while some are mysteries. The iProd2,1 was a puzzle, and with additional information we have a much clearer picture. Apple's 5 year plan is a mystery as that it can change strategically based on market conditions. Could AppleTC 2.0 be a means to compete with cable? Maybe, maybe not, it is a mystery.
Why would you want to check your mail or surf the web on your TV? I can understand wanting to run some apps on the TV- the games especially- but I have zero interest in doing regular stuff I do on my computer on my TV. That's what my laptop is for.
First, this thing probably runs iOS and surely has a chunk of flash memory, maybe enough to run the system plus a few apps, let's say five. Now, those with an iOS device know that when it syncs with iTunes, a copy of your apps and your app data is placed in your computer. And we know that the new device can see your iTunes, and streams music and video from it.
So, why couldn't it load in an app or two off your iTunes cache? And run that! In this way you could have any number of apps, caches on your iTunes, and it loads in whatever app you want to run.
You could have an iPad on your living room wall! Let it run ABC, Hulu Plus, any other app on the store. I could see this happening with a mere software upgrade.
I assume it means `iProduct'. In other words, an Apple product and most likely a mobile device, since they all start with `i's. That is why it's a surprise that the Apple TV is considered an iProd, because it's not considered a mobile device, but if it uses iOS, then it would obviously make sense.
Convenience. It comes in handy when watching TV casually, I just flip whatever I am watching to PIP and bring up the computer in the main screen. I can check my email or google something, check stats during a sporting event, or check a site I saw in a commercial. Sure a laptop or iPhone or whatever device wil lwork, but the TV is very nice, especially if I want to show a website to the whole family or group of people. There are plenty of use cases for it, really, those are just a few examples. Lots of people do it. I think all modern game consoles have web browsers, for example (my Wii does - but the low resolution makes it something of a poor experience). They didn't spend the money on that without there being a demand for it.
They also make this big ol' thang called iMac that is made to primarily sit on a desktop.
Oops, I forgot to mention April 2011 in my original statement.
The iPad will never again "be announced" unless it's a week or two before release. Existing iPad sales would cease if they announced it 3+ months ahead of scheduled release like they did with the initial offering. It would be irresponsible bad business to do it any other way.
Look at the timeline for the latest iPod releases vis-a-vis their announcements for reference. No worries to not sell any iPod Touches or Nanos for a week, they were already giving them away free with Macs all summer to clear out the stock...
I think when Apple gets notifications cleaned up in iOS, the Apple TV will be awesome for giving you little status updates, email notifications, sports scores and whatever the hell else you want whilst your watching TV shows, of course you'll be able to turn those off if you want to watch a film and not be disturbed, but I can see a lot of potential in the Apple TV.
You hit is on the head. Thatss all they need to do is clean up the notifications!!!
Personally I don't see apps coming to the new Apple TV...Apple will probably update it with stuff like iPlayer for us UK people, but Apple has and probably always will (at least for a while to come) call the Apple TV a hobby project.
Maybe they're waiting to see how well the Google TV does before they start going after that market. As Steve said, this kind of media experience hasn't really taken off in the living room yet so they feel there's not too much point going after that market yet.
Maybe they're waiting to see how well the Google TV does before they start going after that market. As Steve said, this kind of media experience hasn't really taken off in the living room yet so they feel there's not too much point going after that market yet.
Yes it runs iOS. It has the A4 chip. They obviously just recreated the Apple TV UI and used that skin on top of iOS. You will notice they made some refinements in the process as the UI is not exactly the same!
More proof for AirPlay to support apps in the future, maybe? I sure hope so! Playing iPhone/iPad games on my TV sounds like fun
I think that would be a good approach to taking on TV as well! Then the networks can make their channel however they want!
I think Airplay is Apple's secret weapon! FIRST THING I thought of when I saw it was... OMG they could extend this to games!
and apps I think this is where Apple is headed! It makes perfect sense. In order to really get the experience you want, you would need to be interacting with the apps and games on Apple TV with an iDevice as the remote/controller and if they implement apps and games through airplay an iDevice will be a necessity! Also, you iDevice will take care of the storage as the Apple TV doesn't have any!This is my official prediction and I am very confident it will pan out over the next 1-2 years! I am EXCITED!
Good idea
Don't forget widgets! Apple just filed a patent relating to widgets that go across various devices I think the reason these two seemingly "simple" things is taking longer is because they are working on in depth and broad solutions like this that will span devices iOS 5! YAY!Now... I want some more practical questions answered before I decide to sell my old Apple TV and get the new one... Such as... Will I still have to have my Mac on and iTunes open to stream all my movies on my TimeCapsule??? If so I will be PISSED!
And... Even though you will only be able to rent movies on the new Apple TV, will I still be able to buy them in the iTunes store from my computer or iDevice? Better be able to! A lot of people like to OWN movies as much as you may not think so Steve!Will I still have to have my Mac on and iTunes open to stream all my movies on my TimeCapsule??? If so I will be PISSED!
Yes
Of course, nothing is going to change on your mac or idevice is it?
iPad 2.0 and iLife '11 FaceTime Rumors
I have a sense that the new iLife '11 won't be released until the new iPad is released with [presumably] a built in camera. As rumors from sources who have been spot on in the past, iLife '11 will/may have a new "FaceTime" feature for use for video chat with iDevices from your Mac... and possibly a Windows system as rumors suggest iLife '11 may be available for Windows OS's...
I have a sense that the new iLife '11 won't be released until the new iPad is released with [presumably] a built in camera. As rumors from sources who have been spot on in the past, iLife '11 will/may have a new "FaceTime" feature for use for video chat with iDevices from your Mac... and possibly a Windows system as rumors suggest iLife '11 may be available for Windows OS's...
They also make this big ol' thang called iMac that is made to primarily sit on a desktop.
Ah, yes. I forgot about that thing.
Where is everyone getting the information that the new Apple TV runs a skinned iOS?
The new Apple TV interface looks much like the old interface which I thought was a variation of OSX. Remember, Apple TV software v1 existed before iOS and iPhone did.
If the new Apple TV runs iOS, that really makes me wonder about the potential for an App Store in next year or so!
The new Apple TV interface looks much like the old interface which I thought was a variation of OSX. Remember, Apple TV software v1 existed before iOS and iPhone did.
If the new Apple TV runs iOS, that really makes me wonder about the potential for an App Store in next year or so!
+1.
People sometimes seem to forget that, right from the start, Jobs stated that the iPhone was "OS X-based". iOS is Apple's port of OS X to the ARM CPU architecture, with modifications to optimize the user interface to the anticipated use cases of iDevices.
There's much more to iOS than the GUI it uses as a visual and tactile interface with the outside world. You can strip out the Cocoa Touch GUI layer at the very top of iOS, and replace it with a different GUI layer, and you've still got iOS (aka ARM port of OS X) at the end of the day.