Finally decided to take the tiger plunge and have been mostly satisfied besides my issues with IRC. First, my computer and the other basics. I'm running a DP 800 quicksilver. Dialup and I know next to nothing about command lines and terminal. I've read a bit on here and macosxhints about enabling ident and all that and most of it's over my head. I had no problems on 10.3.9. I didn't have to adjust any settings in the system pref panel and I dont have a firewall or anything, just downloaded the program and used it. By the way, I think I tried them all before finally settling on conversation.(Snak, colloquy and one other). I did the upgrade two days ago, downloaded conversation 2.14 and have not been able to connect to a single server. Am I missing something obvious here, do I need to enable ident or whatever it is? Sorry if this is vague or I sound stupid, ust don't know much about this stuff, never had problems before... thanks for any help ya'll can give me!