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  1. Unspoken Demise macrumors 68040

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    I cannot stand when people confuse irony with coincidence.
    Alanis Morissette's whole "Ironic" song makes my blood boil.

    So, the purpose of this thread is:

    When people confuse coincidence and irony, what are some examples you give them to try and define it? I can NEVER think of one when presented with a situation in which I need to explain it.

    This is the best one I can think of right now, and this thread was inspired by it:

    Phoenix man killed in gun-safety demo
    Ironicly reposted by ajthomason ;)
     
  2. bartelby macrumors Core

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    I agree about people thinking coincidence is irony.
    It annoys me too.


    The song also mad me mad, until one day I had the thought that maybe the point was that the song as a whole is ironic.
     
  3. Jschultz macrumors 6502a

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    As an English teacher, I find irony somewhat difficult to teach. Mind you, I've taught it to 7th,8th, and 9th graders.

    I generally use a powerpoint with comic strips. My favorite example depicts what is called "situational irony". The comic strip shows an event where a man has been seemingly stranded in the desert for days looking for water. He meets his untimely death when he is ran over by a water truck while crossing a road. :D
     
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    Perhaps one reason the difference can be confused is that there are situations where the coincidence is ironic.
     
  5. Unspoken Demise thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Perfect example! Good job! I wish more kids took your class!

    Yes, sometimes it is. But I'm talking about those times where it is blatantly not irony at all. So blatant you stop in your tracks and try and correct them.

    Oh man, you blew my mind.
     
  6. bartelby macrumors Core

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    Is that not still just coincidence?
     
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    OMG I thought I was the only one who hated that song for that reason! Seems like everyone I try to explain it to doesn't get it - that the countless things she mentions in the song are anywhere from annoying to tragic, but not ironic.

    I looked on Wikipedia and found what I think are two great examples of irony:

     
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    ha! You did start the thread! :D

    Where is my credit for suggesting it? ;)

    edit: OK, i see your link back to that thread. all is well. :p
     
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    Yes, but after spending days looking for water, he was eventually killed...by water.
     
  10. bartelby macrumors Core

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    The Reagan one is a brilliant example!


    The guy in the desert example was killed by a truck that coincidentally was transporting water.
     
  11. Jschultz macrumors 6502a

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    Right. One would suspect that he would die from parchment after days in the desert. That he was killed by water is ironic. And sickly humorous in my opinion :D
     
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    And the truck couldn't stop in time because of the inertia of it carrying water.
     
  13. Unspoken Demise thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Yeah, I like that one too.
    I think its irony.
    However if im wrong
    Then I started a thread about how I hate peopple who think something is irony and its not
    Then said something is irony and it wasnt

    OH THE IRONY!
     
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    Maybe if he fell into a river and drowned, that would be ironic.
     
  16. bartelby macrumors Core

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    But the truck still killed him, or he died as a result of the injuries.

    If he'd drowned however... (just beat me there themoonisdown09)

    Or even died from hyper-hydration
     
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    What if it rained and the truck hydroplaned off the road and hit him right as he was relieved for water?
     
  18. bartelby macrumors Core

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    Still coincidence.

    The water that he needed to survive has to directly kill him.
     
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    I think you're focusing on the truck itself, and not the fact it was carrying water. If it were a truck full of Macbooks, no irony is to be found. However, it's a truck containing water, and instead of the water nourishing life, it takes away. See where I'm coming from?
     
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    If I went the rest of my life without hearing that god awful song mentioned, it wouldn't have been long enough ;)
     
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    But to everyone against that example's validity, they will tell you that the truck killed him and the water in it is inconsequential.

    And I love how you said a truck full of macbooks. I love this forum.
     
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    I think the irony is that it is a water truck vs. a truck of any other sort.
     
  23. bartelby macrumors Core

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    I understand, but it doesn't cross the blurry coincidence/irony line enough for me.
    :eek:
     
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    I'm not convinced that an event being a coincidence necessarily means it isn't ironic.

    Thirsty man killed by a water truck = ironic coincidence
    Thirsty man killed by an empty truck = coincidence
     
  25. bartelby macrumors Core

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    How is that even coincidence?
    :confused:


    The water is the coincidental part.
     

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