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By the RAM you'll need in 2016. Who knows how RAM hungry the cool apps will be then?

I'm putting 16GB into my MBP (then again it's costing me $95 since I'm doing it myself) because I am using it as a Digital Audio Workstation, with virtual instruments and virtual processors that can strain even with that amount of RAM.

The non-user-upgradeability of the new Retina devices is a very troubling development. My late 2011 15" MBP may be the last Apple computer I can justify buying. I need an appliance, not a prefab tablet with a nice keyboard.
 
This is my typical load:

  • Photoshop CS6 with 30-50 docs open
  • Illustrator CS6 with 5-10 docs open
  • InDesign CS6 with 1-3 docs open
  • Acrobat Pro with 3-5 docs open
  • Firefox with 100-150 tabs open
  • Chrome with 10-20 tabs open
  • Safari with 10-20 tabs open
  • Coda 2 with 20-30 tabs open
  • Twitter with 3 user account tabs / Trillian with Google Talk
  • Mail, iMessages, App Store, etc
  • Finder with 5-10 open windows + Forklift FTP
  • Lots of background processes / widgets / tweaks like Magic Prefs, Dropbox, Moom, Dropzone, Cloud App, smcFanControl, Growl, VPN clients, etc
  • Rdio, Pandora or iTunes playing in the background
  • Sometimes I whip together animations in After Effects CS6, a quick 3D model in Lightwave or edit a fast video in Premiere Pro CS6, but not too often. The speedy new 512GB SSD on my new machine should help with the scratch disk though.
  • Sometimes I also run Microsoft Office apps—especially if a client put all their copy in a word file, or if I'm computing costs or other figures in Excel.

That sounds a hot mess. How in the world do you navigate 120-190 browser tabs all at once?
 
Ask yourself this.....if the base model with 16gb was also available in store, would you have bought that instead?

$200 is nothing at this price point for a feature that most pro users can leverage.
 
Yes, 16 GB of memory is overkill for the majority of users. There are professionals and high-end enthusiasts out there who might exceed 8 GB on a regular basis, though. Just check your Activity Monitor and see what your current RAM usage is. Chances are that 8 GB will be fine for at least the next few years if you're not doing anything crazy (like 150 windows/tabs open at once).
 
Last year, before Lion, a lot of people were crowing that 4gb was good enough and 8gb was overkill. And think how things were during Tiger. Everyone said 4gb was a business gimmick. Mountain Lion is coming. After ML, who knows how RAM management would be raped. Retina is here and applications would be recoded differently. I'm not even talking about Virtual Machines in Retina resolutions.

If you wanna stick to current software and have no desire for future ones, no plans to use virtual machines extensively with power hungry windoze software open side by side, 16gb is not needed. Otherwise, think ahead.
 
Ask yourself this.....if the base model with 16gb was also available in store, would you have bought that instead?

$200 is nothing at this price point for a feature that most pro users can leverage.

^^ what he said.

I know the only reason I was trying to talk myself down from the 16gb was because I wanted the laptop NOW. The 16gb is worth the wait. If you get the 8gb.. any time a render loading bar pops up you'll be thinking "this could have been done already if I had gotten 16.." lol
 
I definitely don't think it's worth it to upgrade to the RMBPRO 15" if you have an MBPRO 2011. I've had 8GB ram in mine for almost a year now and I just upgraded to 16GB, as the cost has drastically come down in price. As a professional video editor using FCP it speeds up the workflow when rendering along with the handling of various HD formats on a daily basis and special effects, so it's definitely justified.

Is it going to make things go lightning fast, no, but when it comes to editing, it can go a long way, especially when you're working 10 to 12 hours a day.

Do I want the new RMBRO, oh yea!!!! But to spend that money for retina, form factor and memory, I can most definitely wait!

Good luck for all who plan on purchasing the new beast!!! It looks pretty amazing!

~SweetLou24
 
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This is my typical load:

  • Photoshop CS6 with 30-50 docs open
  • Illustrator CS6 with 5-10 docs open
  • InDesign CS6 with 1-3 docs open
  • Acrobat Pro with 3-5 docs open
  • Firefox with 100-150 tabs open
  • Chrome with 10-20 tabs open
  • Safari with 10-20 tabs open
  • Coda 2 with 20-30 tabs open
  • Twitter with 3 user account tabs / Trillian with Google Talk
  • Mail, iMessages, App Store, etc
  • Finder with 5-10 open windows + Forklift FTP
  • Lots of background processes / widgets / tweaks like Magic Prefs, Dropbox, Moom, Dropzone, Cloud App, smcFanControl, Growl, VPN clients, etc
  • Rdio, Pandora or iTunes playing in the background
  • Sometimes I whip together animations in After Effects CS6, a quick 3D model in Lightwave or edit a fast video in Premiere Pro CS6, but not too often. The speedy new 512GB SSD on my new machine should help with the scratch disk though.
  • Sometimes I also run Microsoft Office apps—especially if a client put all their copy in a word file, or if I'm computing costs or other figures in Excel.

Interesting. I've been working on HUGE projects with all of these programs for over 10 years and can say with confidence that is just utter BS. I have double the memory as you and I'm using over 10GB right now with only two Photoshop files, Chrome, Mail and Spotify opened.
 
I chose the 16GB upgrade because I found 8GB kind of low on my current machine. I wish I could have upped it to 32GB but that would have been insanely expensive. Do they even make single ram chips that large for laptops? Although I suppose the old "slots" terminology is gone with Apple attaching everything directly to the motherboard. I guess the only limiting factor is the Ivy Bridge chipset. Not sure but I believe Sandy Bridge maxed out at 16GB. This is my typical load:

  • Photoshop CS6 with 30-50 docs open
  • Illustrator CS6 with 5-10 docs open
  • InDesign CS6 with 1-3 docs open
  • Acrobat Pro with 3-5 docs open
  • Firefox with 100-150 tabs open
  • Chrome with 10-20 tabs open
  • Safari with 10-20 tabs open
  • Coda 2 with 20-30 tabs open
  • Twitter with 3 user account tabs / Trillian with Google Talk
  • Mail, iMessages, App Store, etc
  • Finder with 5-10 open windows + Forklift FTP
  • Lots of background processes / widgets / tweaks like Magic Prefs, Dropbox, Moom, Dropzone, Cloud App, smcFanControl, Growl, VPN clients, etc
  • Rdio, Pandora or iTunes playing in the background
  • Sometimes I whip together animations in After Effects CS6, a quick 3D model in Lightwave or edit a fast video in Premiere Pro CS6, but not too often. The speedy new 512GB SSD on my new machine should help with the scratch disk though.
  • Sometimes I also run Microsoft Office apps—especially if a client put all their copy in a word file, or if I'm computing costs or other figures in Excel.

Haha, and before someone tells me I don't run all this—I do. I have degrees in graphic design, photography, and marketing. I'm always overloaded with so much stuff! Furthermore I code all my sites by hand and test them in different browsers. I also have a Dell Inspiron sitting next to me running Internet Explorer so I can test in there, and sometimes I'm even running Adobe Shadow so I can test sites on my iPad 2 and iPhone 4S. I hope to cut out the Inspiron though—perhaps with this extra ram I can put together a small virtual machine running Win 7 in it's own space. That would be nice! The reason I have so many docs open in Photoshop is I usually make my website mockups in there and then pull it apart to get all the different pieces. I'm always tweaking effects on different parts, like shadows, gradients, strokes, etc and resaving for web and uploading. Then there are some parts or logos I'm tweaking in Illustrator. InDesign I sometimes have to tweak PDF files or come up with documentation and then I check them over and optimize them in Acrobat Pro. Not to mention I often do my own photography for a client, so I'm editing RAW files from my 7D in the mix. I use 8 desktop spaces to keep things organized. CS6 apps generally get their own space (except Acrobat Pro—usually in the Finder space). Then I have Coda 2 in a space, several Finder windows in another space, my "social" space that has Twitter, Trillian, Mail and iMessages, Firefox in it's own space, and then Chrome and Safari share a space for testing.

So no, for me 16 gigs is not overkill! LOL. :D

P.S. The 500MB/s SSD in this beast is almost like ram itself, haha! Ok I know that's a stretch, but still. Caching to that thing is going to be great. So even when the 16GB gets full it can offload to a large, speedy SSD.

...also you forgot to mantioned "porn" you will proabally have 10-20 windows open.
DUDE WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUTH..?
 
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This.


Doing an advanced search on here for "8GB Overkill" showed lots of posts. Like this one from 2009. 8GB was overkill? Now 16?

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Originally Posted by jaredwaynef
So, I'm going to be purchasing a new 17/15" MBP within the next couple of months. I know 8GB of RAM is overkill...
 
This is because every picture on a website is .JPG or .GIF. If they want to do a higher picture resolution. They would need Bitmap (.BMP) but then the website would download slower because Bitmap images are 2megs+

No, you would just have to upload two different JPEGs/GIFs for every image (regular and HiDPI) and load the appropriate one based on the user's screen resolution. This can easily be done in CSS/JavaScript.

Sure that will use more RAM and bandwidth if you have a Retina display but nowhere near 2MB+ per image.
 
More memory might reduce VM disk thrashing?

Although I agree it's unlikely you need all 16 GB to keep a fast workflow, I can't help but wonder about virtual memory. The actual RAM-resident stuff in my 4GB laptop is usually pretty reasonable, but I notice that there's a fair amount of disk-resident stuff at any time.

Now, that's OK with a regular HDD, but with the SDD, it means more writes every time we page in and out. And as we know, more writes means less lifetime.

But I have no idea how the numbers work out - this is just a guess.
 
Doing an advanced search on here for "8GB Overkill" showed lots of posts. Like this one from 2009. 8GB was overkill? Now 16?

it totally depends on what you do on a machine. there have been more than enough few silly posts here by people who want 16gb of ram for "web browsing / typing / file organizing / watching videos"

even 4gb of ram is enough for the above.
 
I was already dropping $2,000 and said screw it, what's another $180 for something that I can never change in the future. It essentially just cancelled out my student discount, while still getting the $100 gift card. If I don't use it, what odds. If I do ever need it, perfect.
 
What about when Adding Windows and CAD?

I've been debating the same myself between 8/16GB. Not a professional video/photo guy, but I would like to start video editing like I used to to make promotional videos for my restaurant.

I'm also a Mechanical Engineer, so I think I'd have to add Windows 8 VM in order to add Pro Engineer/SolidWorks CAD software. I remember at my previous job I had a 12GB memory and good video card(don't remember which one). Now I'm not sure what I use...anyone experience VM software and CAD work?

What would cause the need for 16GB in future? (I know, I remember 256MB RAM...lol)
 
I've been debating the same myself between 8/16GB. Not a professional video/photo guy, but I would like to start video editing like I used to to make promotional videos for my restaurant.

I'm also a Mechanical Engineer, so I think I'd have to add Windows 8 VM in order to add Pro Engineer/SolidWorks CAD software. I remember at my previous job I had a 12GB memory and good video card(don't remember which one). Now I'm not sure what I use...anyone experience VM software and CAD work?

What would cause the need for 16GB in future? (I know, I remember 256MB RAM...lol)

i wouldn't even bother running CAD software in VM. i couldn't even imagine how slow that would be, regardless of how much RAM you have.

when i have a browser, photoshop, illustrator and coda running with various files open, i can hit 8 gb no problem (which is what i currently have in my 2008 macbook). for my needs, i'd definitely go for 16gb.

i use virtualbox and windows 7 to test sites in ie 8 and 9. its super slow just doing that, nevermind CAD software.
 
8 gigs of ram will definitely not be obsolete in 3 years. In fact, it might be a little better than average. You should definitely pick up 8, because I promise you the only place you'll notice 16 even kicking in is on the benchmarks.

I dunno, not even 6 years ago were macbooks being shipped with 512mb of ram standard and now 4GB seems pretty low for day to day tasks....a factor of 8 in 6 years....or say 4 in 3 years. So in 3 years time, what 4GB is standard today, 16 may be then
 
I chose the 16GB upgrade because I found 8GB kind of low on my current machine. I wish I could have upped it to 32GB but that would have been insanely expensive. Do they even make single ram chips that large for laptops? Although I suppose the old "slots" terminology is gone with Apple attaching everything directly to the motherboard. I guess the only limiting factor is the Ivy Bridge chipset. Not sure but I believe Sandy Bridge maxed out at 16GB. This is my typical load:

  • Photoshop CS6 with 30-50 docs open
  • Illustrator CS6 with 5-10 docs open
  • InDesign CS6 with 1-3 docs open
  • Acrobat Pro with 3-5 docs open
  • Firefox with 100-150 tabs open
  • Chrome with 10-20 tabs open
  • Safari with 10-20 tabs open
  • Coda 2 with 20-30 tabs open
  • Twitter with 3 user account tabs / Trillian with Google Talk
  • Mail, iMessages, App Store, etc
  • Finder with 5-10 open windows + Forklift FTP
  • Lots of background processes / widgets / tweaks like Magic Prefs, Dropbox, Moom, Dropzone, Cloud App, smcFanControl, Growl, VPN clients, etc
  • Rdio, Pandora or iTunes playing in the background
  • Sometimes I whip together animations in After Effects CS6, a quick 3D model in Lightwave or edit a fast video in Premiere Pro CS6, but not too often. The speedy new 512GB SSD on my new machine should help with the scratch disk though.
  • Sometimes I also run Microsoft Office apps—especially if a client put all their copy in a word file, or if I'm computing costs or other figures in Excel.

Haha, and before someone tells me I don't run all this—I do. I have degrees in graphic design, photography, and marketing. I'm always overloaded with so much stuff! Furthermore I code all my sites by hand and test them in different browsers. I also have a Dell Inspiron sitting next to me running Internet Explorer so I can test in there, and sometimes I'm even running Adobe Shadow so I can test sites on my iPad 2 and iPhone 4S. I hope to cut out the Inspiron though—perhaps with this extra ram I can put together a small virtual machine running Win 7 in it's own space. That would be nice! The reason I have so many docs open in Photoshop is I usually make my website mockups in there and then pull it apart to get all the different pieces. I'm always tweaking effects on different parts, like shadows, gradients, strokes, etc and resaving for web and uploading. Then there are some parts or logos I'm tweaking in Illustrator. InDesign I sometimes have to tweak PDF files or come up with documentation and then I check them over and optimize them in Acrobat Pro. Not to mention I often do my own photography for a client, so I'm editing RAW files from my 7D in the mix. I use 8 desktop spaces to keep things organized. CS6 apps generally get their own space (except Acrobat Pro—usually in the Finder space). Then I have Coda 2 in a space, several Finder windows in another space, my "social" space that has Twitter, Trillian, Mail and iMessages, Firefox in it's own space, and then Chrome and Safari share a space for testing.

So no, for me 16 gigs is not overkill! LOL. :D

P.S. The 500MB/s SSD in this beast is almost like ram itself, haha! Ok I know that's a stretch, but still. Caching to that thing is going to be great. So even when the 16GB gets full it can offload to a large, speedy SSD.

You would not need that much ram if you just closed a few windows, or apps.

I also have a degree in marketing, graphic design and I don't need that much ram, nor do you need to have that much open at a time to do your job.

You know that right?;)

8gb of ram is good enough for most people. I don't care what you are doing, editing, photo, 8GB will get the job done and then some. I run a company on 8GB of Ram, and I edit video, heavy graphic design, etc. Never needed more than 8GB. It is not necessary to have every app and video running at the same time.

My 2011 MBP with SSD has 16GB of ram, my new RMBP has 8GB of ram. Under heavy usage I am only using around 6gb of Ram.

Heck I was using 4GB on a Macbook Air when I traveled for a short while. 4GB is not enough, but it did work. Switched to my 15MBP. Is 16GB better, of coarse it is, will 8GB work even for heavy usage, yes it will.
 
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