Is 3g overrated (in relation to edge)?

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  1. dukebound85 macrumors P6

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    My friend and I have 3g iphones. Mine is ATT, his is unlocked on TMobile

    At 4 separate locations, his edge connection beat my 3g connection in downloading websites. My 3g never beat his edge

    Is this a common occurrence? I love in a 3g area
     
  2. Roessnakhan macrumors 68040

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    3G isn't overrated, but depending on where you live you'll get a 3G signal but the network congestion by [x] number of users can slow down how fast you receive data.
     
  3. -aggie- macrumors P6

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    3G is ~20 times faster than EDGE everywhere I go.
     
  4. Small White Car macrumors G4

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    Maybe you should get your phone checked out?

    3G is usually about 9x faster than EDGE wherever I go.
     
  5. Merkie macrumors 68020

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    I'm still using my old 2G, and I don't even have EDGE where I live. I've been using GPRS for two years know, and it's starting to get annoying to be honest. Especially the Maps app is almost unusable.
     
  6. Mad Mac Maniac macrumors 601

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    wow that blows... move to a bigger city?

    But seriously an iphone with such a slow connection just seems cruel.... I suppose there is always wifi :)
     
  7. rgarjr macrumors 603

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    woah dude where u live?
     
  8. Nermal Moderator

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    It all depends on your operator and where you live. For example, there's no 2G coverage where I live so a 3G phone is a must (and I get over 4 Mb/s) :)
     
  9. acfusion29 macrumors 68040

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    Always got 5 bars of 3G around the Greater Toronto Area!

    And it's fast as hell, even when I tether!
     
  10. Merkie macrumors 68020

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    In an EDGE-less country.
     
  11. FoxMcWeezer macrumors regular

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    Contrary to what most people think, bars does not indicate speed. It indicates your cell connection to the cell tower you're connected to. In other words, if you live right next to a cell tower and get 5 bars but 1000 people are using that cell tower to browse the web or whatever, you're not going to get what you think you're getting.
     
  12. FrankieTDouglas macrumors 65816

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    Perhaps in a lot of the nation. AT&T's own true coverage is a lot less than their advertised coverage, which includes other companies' towers and probably would mean no Edge support.

    I spend part of my year in a tourist beach town in Maine. People come here from all over America, Canada, Europe, etc. A lot of the residents here are millionaires. And, it also has no true AT&T coverage. So while your phone may say AT&T, if you have no access to data coverage, chances are you're actually roaming. AT&T has been a bit of a bastard lately and terminating people's contracts if they're using their phone on such networks, even if they make no attempt to alert the user that they are roaming and that they will do that to you. So, watch out.
     
  13. greygray macrumors 68000

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    I beg to differ that it's overated. 3G vs EDGE comparisons are best compared when using Safari.
     
  14. FrankieTDouglas macrumors 65816

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    In Shreveport, Louisiana last weekend, inside of a 3G area, no data would work. No emails were received. It wasn't until I got out of range and back onto the Edge network did I receive data again.
     
  15. acfusion29 macrumors 68040

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    uh.. bars do indicate the speed. and exactly.. it indicates the cell connection to the cell tower. if the connection is weak, then you won't get fast data.

    it's the same thing with a wireless router. if you have an excellent signal, you will have great speeds, if your signal is bad then your internet will be slow.

    but yes. you could be next to the cell tower and still have slow 3G

    in the office that i work in, i get 1-2 bars of 3G and it's SLOW. i step outside and it's fast again.
     
  16. Denaldo macrumors newbie

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    re: less bars, more places

    I can't even make a call that is clear within about a 2 mile radius of my house.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. FoxMcWeezer macrumors regular

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    Please tell me you're joking. There's a reason why I said "Contrary to what most people think." Because that's what people who don't know what they're talking about think.

    Let me say this again. BARS DO NOT INDICATE SPEED. THEY INDICATE CONNECTION SIGNAL TO THE TOWER/ROUTER

    Your router example is COMPLETELY wrong. Having 5 bars of wifi signal means your LOCAL CONNECTION to the router itself is strong. It does NOT tell you the speed. An example you might understand is suppose I'm 10 cm away from the router. I'll have full signal. But there are 50 people using the same router. The INTERNET WILL BE SLOW. THE SAME GOES FOR CELL TOWERS.

    Also, there are journals and articles written about this. By people who aren't just making random guesses based on what they merely THINK it is.
     
  18. TheSpaz macrumors 604

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    The weaker the signal, the slower it goes. So yeah, in a way he was right. You're the one who's got it backwards.

    The less bars you have, the slower the internet will go.... so therefore the more bars, the faster.
     
  19. ericinboston macrumors 68000

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    First, I think ALL cell phone carriers are overrated for their data transmissions...not to mention plain old fashioned "service" to make a call. There are so many factors in ANY data transmission technology and it kills me that consumers don't have enough brainpower to think about all the things that can possibly AFFECT any kind of transmission...especially wireless.

    I think 3G and any other data "provider" is still far in its infancy in the USA (especially compared to Europe)...as well as some consumers feel they should be able to walk outside and get a 20Mbit connection on ATT like they do at home on their cablemodem. Over time speeds will improve and we'll all be able to use our "phones" 99.9% of the time in the car or next to a waterfall. That day, however, is likely 10+ years away.

    I really don't use my iPhone much (2 hours a month?) on non-WIFI...even though I live in the burbs there seem to be enough WIFI places for me to connect to IN THE EVENT that I actually want to pick up my iPhone and do something. And I'm 39. I'm sure all the 14-24 year olds out there want to use the phone 23 hours a day as it's the fad of the decade... but for us folks that actually work and have things to do (and be in an office with plenty of WIFI and computers) 8-9 hours a day, I'm gonna guess a lot of us aren't out there complaining night and day about any cell carrier coverage. :) I'm not being snippy...I'm stating a fact regarding demographics.

    I'm not slamming anybody here...just stating some opinions.

    -Eric
     
  20. TheSpaz macrumors 604

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    You need to get rid of your data if you only use it for 2 hours per month. That's what I did and I've been happy ever since.
     
  21. STEVESKI07 macrumors 68000

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    Wow. Read his post again. Yes, sometimes a weak signal can cause slower speeds, but a stronger signal does not mean faster speeds. If I'm always in an area that has full bars, then why do my internet speeds vary? Think about your home internet. If you are connected through a wired connection, you should have 100% signal, right? What if you're downloading large files on 2 computers and then try to start another download on a third computer. These downloads will all run significantly slower then they would if only one download were running. You still have 100% signal though.

    What else is there possibly that you don't understand about this? It's really quite simple.
     
  22. ericinboston macrumors 68000

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    My employer gives me a 24% discount on the ATT plan...a)I don't think I can remove it, b)I don't think it's worth the time and aggravation to remove it (and wonder how much $$ I will actually save), and c)I'll still want to use it somewhere at sometime. Usually my 2+ hours a month are when I'm in a parking lot and the wife runs into a store for 15 mins.

    -Eric
     
  23. TheSpaz macrumors 604

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    The speed is always going to be slower at weaker signals. To get the maximum speed that is currently available with your current setup, you need a stronger signal.

    If my wifi is being used by 10 computers at once and I have a crappy signal on top of that, the speed is going to be slower than if I had a strong signal (even if 10 people are still using it). Get it? It's not rocket science.
     
  24. ericinboston macrumors 68000

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    I have to state that this is a very big problem for societies around the globe...the inability to be social with human-to-human contact as more and more "technology" like the internet, phones, smartphones, email, and applications/sites like Twitter, Youtube, Facebook, Myspace, etc. come into our lives.

    I won't start a big off topic thread but this has been a big discussion for almost 10 years in many psychology fields as well as courses in college. It's very very interesting if you take the time to read the articles and journals. Anything you watch on tv like 60 Minutes or Dateline regarding this topic is pure garbage.

    I am 39 and grew up with computers and was (and still are) grossly involved with computers since 1978...you would think I would fit right into this problem. I do...but at a much smaller way than say a 22 year old or 15 year old that has been far more exposed to internet dominance.

    -Eric
     

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