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Apple knows the crap they get for the 8/256 starting point. The cost for them to start at 16/512 instead would be worth it for the goodwill they would gain. Then again, that would instantly start the is 16/512 enough as a starting point threads, so maybe I'm wrong.
The only point that you are “wrong” on is that the good will they gain would be worth it. Nobody who is complaining about the base configuration having 8GB RAM is going to spend their money on a non-Apple alternative.
 
Just like that old laughable sitcom —“Eight is Enough”.

That’s true for the overwhelming majority of Mac users.

My word. I'm still using an 8GB 2015 MacBook Air as my main workhorse — and it works like a champ. I've written 400-page books; maintain massive, multi-sheet Excel financial workbooks; run in-depth statistical analyses on data sets with thousands of cases with graphing-visualization software; run large-scale astronomy simulations; have libraries with thousands of photos and videos; researched large projects with scores of Safari tabs open; and even used Safari that way while annotating many PDFs of historical documents. No slowdowns, no sluggishness, responsive, wonderful computing experiences.

No doubt, 8GB on an M-series Apple silicon Mac would work even better! So, in this day and age, most need no more. The fixation on the memory gauge and fretting over it getting, sometimes, into the yellow rather than focusing on any actual slow down in performance is telling.

For sure, certain workflows involving 3-D renderings; HD movie editing; complex algorithms and protein simulations; heavy duty coding; etc. would benefit from 16GB or more — but that’s not the daily work or play situation for the vast majority of Mac users!

Yes, it would be far better if Apple provided 16GB RAM and 512GB storage as the base — far better, that is, for consumers who would enjoy having more. Not as good for Apple's bottom line, however.

Keep in mind that MR attracts a disproportionate share of techies, programmers, and high-end users and, thus, predictably, abounds in calls for and echoes of, many echoes of, 16GB+ as being absolutely essential along with the repeated decrying, ad infinitum ad nauseum, of 8GB as inadequate, ridiculous, definitely not enough, a travesty, and an embarrassment.

Such assailing of Apple, however, has an amusing, wonderfully ironic effect — it makes more casual MR readers and consumers nervous and, out of fear, ending up needlessly spending $200 or $400 extra on more RAM when they didn't need to!

Bottom line, though. Haven't we flogged this topic sufficiently? One of these threads should be turned into a sticky and whenever the topic comes up, just refer people to it! 😁
yes, an MR is NOT AT ALL a representation of the average Apple customer/user, most users are "geeks", people with tech knowledge ... and believers in benchmarks, whenever a new product is released - we are bombarded with benchmarks left and right.
There are a few here who share their experience (example: I spent 2 months on a base M2 Mac Mini

and yes, this topic has been discussed more than sufficiently ...
 
It's fine for the millions of Apple customers who have minimal/modest computing needs (web surfing, email, music, simple spreadsheets, messages, Notes, calculator, Pages, looking at photos, etc).

Need more memory because you're doing complex stuff (Photoshop, Lightroom, Blender, etc)? No problem. Simply pay for it. Apple makes computers for everyone.
More like overpay for it.
 
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The entry level SKU at 8GB wouldn't be as much of an issue if the upgrade pricing wasn't insane.

I personally think the 256gb SSDs are as bad if not worse on the measly scale, regardless of whether it would be sufficient for some users it feels like a poor value.
They are even worse. They're even cheaper for Apple to buy! But Apple want the new purchases from people who filled up their old MacBook and want a new one.
 
What's also overlooked is how many Macs are appliances.
They run a single specific, app like a print server or image compiler, or a zoom room, etc.
These base model devices are purchased by corporations and integrators because they've gotten tired of Windows updates and abandoned the once thriving theory of a NUC or other slimline PCs because the OS became overbloated and would autoupdate at the worst possible time.
 
Gotta love how so many here presume that they know what others need/want. I have Many many users that need/want the CPU and extra port etc with the pro. Or heck, even the Space Black color option (remember we used to pay extra for the polycarbonate black MacBook and nothing else!). They are perfectly fine with the 8GB and NEVER know the difference. Just because YOU don't want to pay for it, doesn't mean that someone else doesn't. That's all that matters!
 
What's also overlooked is how many Macs are appliances.
They run a single specific, app like a print server or image compiler, or a zoom room, etc.
I've never once seen a MacBook used like that in England or Germany... Maybe in the US? 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
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My word. I'm still using an 8GB 2015 MacBook Air as my main workhorse — and it works like a champ. I've written 400-page books; maintain massive, multi-sheet Excel financial workbooks; run in-depth statistical analyses on data sets with thousands of cases with graphing-visualization software; run large-scale astronomy simulations; have libraries with thousands of photos and videos; researched large projects with scores of Safari tabs open; and even used Safari that way while annotating many PDFs of historical documents. No slowdowns, no sluggishness, responsive, wonderful computing experiences.

But can you dance to it?
 
8GB is barely enough to load macOS into memory and move the cursor around for a bit. It can easily gobble up near double figures doing next to nothing.

So no. No it's not.
 
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Nevermind that 8gb of RAM is hardly realistic even if you're just doing school work in a browser and Office.
This is not accurate. I did extensive work with a base model M1 Air that went well beyond basic browsing and work like that.

I did all sorts of office type work on [a base M1 Air] and never saw a slowdown. I did photo and movie editing and didn't have noticeable slowdowns. I even did some fairly intensive neuroscience analyses with my computer -- processes that take 4-6 GB of RAM (I capped them at that, I can use hundreds of GBs at a time, which I do on a high performance cluster) and many hours to run. It did everything quickly and I could still use the computer to do web browsing and other work without noticeable slowdowns while the processes ran. Again, all of this was with 8 GB of RAM.
Again, way more than just basic school work and Microsoft Office. I don't use that computer currently because my child needed a computer for school and I turned it over, but RAM was never an issue in months of heavy scientific computing.
 
8 GB is fine if all you do is browse the web, check email and work on documents and spreadsheets. But if that’s all you’re gonna do Macs are waaaaay too expensive and you’d be better off buying a cheap Windows mini PC or a Chromebook for 1/2 the price
First, gotta take a moment to shudder at spending $500 on a Chromebook.

Second, an entry MBA is not much more than a low-mid-range windows laptop, and is of significantly higher quality materials... plus if you're deep in the ecosystem, the integration w/ iOS and iCloud should not be underestimated. If you're really pinching pennies on a super tight budget, then sure, any random Acer or HP laptop is "fine." But if you're not, and you've got any combination of iCloud, iPhone, iPad, AppleTV, or AirPods.... then it's really not as simple as a spec-sheet comparison. An entry-level MBA is a great primary computer for light users, and a great additional device for a power user to have on the living room end-table.
 
I wonder how many of these people who say 8GB isn't enough have actual experience to back this up.

And how many people who like to think they're power users do, at the end of the day, really just use the Macs for browsing, email, Netflix and cropping the occasional photo or editing the family holiday video.

I think this is like when people get hung up buying cars based on track performance when they can't bring themselves to accept that they'll just be driving it to work and back at 40mph every day.
 
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"Is 8GB of RAM Enough for a Mac in 2024?"

For most people? Yes.
For all people? No.
Should Apple include more RAM in the base models? Yes.
Well and succinctly said. If you are an MBA buyer, you are probably not doing a lot of video editing since it is a fanless laptop. So, 8GB is fine for most students, office workers, and home use. These people spend most of their time using: safari, mail, messages, iWork, MS Office, Photos, calendar, contacts, and occasional iMovie. Also, they probably download some data/documents from a corporate or school servers. All works just fine. At least this has been my experience with my base M2 MBA. No problems at all. Very smooth. So, we need to dispense with these hyperbolic statements that 8GB is only good for TiK Tok and web browsing. It's just not true. Plenty of folks are getting a lot of work done with base configuration MacBooks.

However, if you are doing significant video editing and other memory heavy application, then I would get a MBP with more memory. The extra memory is essential for some of these "Pro" application.

Do I wish Apple provided higher specs at no extra cost? Sure.
 
8 GB is fine if all you do is browse the web, check email and work on documents and spreadsheets. But if that’s all you’re gonna do Macs are waaaaay too expensive and you’d be better off buying a cheap Windows mini PC or a Chromebook for 1/2 the price
True, but a MBA gets you a really nice experience. And that's what most people do buy Apple for - a really nice experience whilst doing basic stuff on your laptop, tablet or phone.
 
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Well and succinctly said. If you are an MBA buyer, you are probably not doing a lot of video editing since it is a fanless laptop. So, 8GB is fine for most students, office workers, and home use. These people spend most of their time using: safari, mail, messages, iWork, MS Office, Photos, calendar, contacts, and occasional iMovie. Also, they probably download some data/documents from a corporate or school servers. All works just fine. At least this has been my experience with my base M2 MBA. No problems at all. Very smooth. So, we need to dispense with these hyperbolic statements that 8GB is only good for TiK Tok and web browsing. It's just not true. Plenty of folks are getting a lot of work done with base configuration MacBooks.

However, if you are doing significant video editing and other memory heavy application, then I would get a MBP with more memory. The extra memory is essential for some of these "Pro" application.

Do I wish Apple provided higher specs at no extra cost? Sure.
Thanks for sharing your average computing life - and I don't mean that as an insult.

Plenty of people here say 16GB is not enough and we find that they are really pushing their MBAs to the limit - so much so that they'd be better off with a MBP.

You just described my use case for my laptop. Plus GeForce Now - which 8GB is totally fine for if all other apps are closed (which is a good idea when running that, whatever the RAM you have).

Now I'm thinking that the base M3 13 or 15 is going to be totally fine for me.
 
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