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Had I bought a MacBook instead, I wouldn't be able to play Red Alert 3 right now. That changed with the 9400 being added to the MacBook line, but I'm glad I got this thing. I also appreciate the extra 2 inches of display.

If someone mentions the now-an-issue firewire, I think I've used it maybe twice since getting this thing. I'd really rather have another USB port and then go buy an ExpressCard adapter if I need FW that bad.
 
The MBP is a excellent computer and you'll be happy with what you get once you purchase one. However, in all honestly, it is about 300-400 dollars too expensive, especially with the things that you compromise in when getting the MBP compared to a comparable PC at the same price
 
Had I bought a MacBook instead, I wouldn't be able to play Red Alert 3 right now. That changed with the 9400 being added to the MacBook line, but I'm glad I got this thing. I also appreciate the extra 2 inches of display.

If someone mentions the now-an-issue firewire, I think I've used it maybe twice since getting this thing. I'd really rather have another USB port and then go buy an ExpressCard adapter if I need FW that bad.

What we need is a Express card that has Firewire 800 and a extra USB. I have yet to see one that has both. Or even better add a e-sata input and have all three. Now if some vendor wants to make money there is your next new product.:D
 
What we need is a Express card that has Firewire 800 and a extra USB. I have yet to see one that has both. Or even better add a e-sata input and have all three. Now if some vendor wants to make money there is your next new product.:D
Yeah, professional laptops should have 4 USB ports and professional desktops should have 6-10. MBP has 3, MP has 5. Absurdly, the Mac Mini now has 5, which is kind of like putting 25 USB ports on a Mac Pro.
 
I was comparing, and I could have gotten a Dell with similar specs to my Unibody for about $1000 less. I don't regret my purchase one bit.
 
The MacBook Pro is an outstanding laptop/notebook both in terms of performance and looks. My MBP 2.53GHz Unibody can handle every application I throw at it, from Final Cut Pro, Adobe Photoshop CS4, to Crysis, a very resource-demanding game. Whereas similar and better specs can be found in other high-end laptops, sometimes for cheaper prices, the build quality and aesthetic beauty of the MBP is matched by no other laptop. It feels sturdy and rock solid with its aluminium enclosure and it is a pleasure just looking at the physical aspects of the notebook. The only downside of having an aesthetic masterpiece as a working tool, is yourself being overprotective of the machine. I find myself cleaning the screen and the keyboard, handle it just like my little baby, have a sleeve which in turn is stored in a messenger bag etc. Although these have nothing wrong in themselves, some may see you as a complete idiot and/or geek.

It is a well-known fact about Apple, is that they try to minimalise their devices in order to create a slimmer, sleeker device. This anorexic feature of Apple is also found in their Pro notebook, which for example, only provides two USB ports which are very close to each other, and sometimes when plugging in a USB device with a wider than normal port, the other USB port is blocked. Yes this can be solved by a USB hub, but still, why buy a bulky device for a $3000 laptop when other $600 PC laptops have 4 USB ports, 2 on each side of the machine?

The Mac OS experience is by far better than any other OS out there. I'm a very technical savvy guy with experience in Windows and Linux OS and still I found the Mac OS the best of them all. It's NOT true that Macs never crash. One time, even Calculator.app crashed, so the myth that Macs are error-free and never crash is not true. But still, Macs are 100% reliable in my opinion.

In my opinion, no other company has the level of customer support offered by Apple. In my case, my iPod Touch was broken after 14 months of purchase, was out of warranty and still Apple gave me a new one without any hassle. I heard a lot of other success stories with Apple's customer support including replacements out of warranty, of previous generation machines with current generation ones.

The MacBook Pro IS worth the price over the MacBook, only if you need that extra 2" of screen size (which makes a lot of difference, but not as much as 15" to 17"), higher quality screen, that little bit more firepower, higher performance in graphics and ofcourse FireWire!
 
The MacBook Pro is an outstanding laptop/notebook both in terms of performance and looks. My MBP 2.53GHz Unibody can handle every application I throw at it, from Final Cut Pro, Adobe Photoshop CS4, to Crysis, a very resource-demanding game. Whereas similar and better specs can be found in other high-end laptops, sometimes for cheaper prices, the build quality and aesthetic beauty of the MBP is matched by no other laptop. It feels sturdy and rock solid with its aluminium enclosure and it is a pleasure just looking at the physical aspects of the notebook. The only downside of having an aesthetic masterpiece as a working tool, is yourself being overprotective of the machine. I find myself cleaning the screen and the keyboard, handle it just like my little baby, have a sleeve which in turn is stored in a messenger bag etc. Although these have nothing wrong in themselves, some may see you as a complete idiot and/or geek.
Yeah, the design is spectacular. I do have some reservations about the miniscule cursor keys (these are important keys, arguably the most used of all) and the fact that they've now put a damn Fn key where anyone's muscle memory would expect to find Ctrl. And maybe (I'm ambivalent about this one) they should have utilized the larger space on the 17" to add a numpad like they do on all 17" PC notebooks. Not that I'm a number cruncher but those keys are vital to anyone who uses a music application like Reason, Cubase etc, because it's a 20+ year old standard to have Play, Stop, Rec, Loop/Cycle, FF, Rew and left and right locators on the numpad. Without them it's kind of like trying to drive a car without pedals. Mac is a favorite among musicians after all. But other than that, the design is damn near perfect.

It is a well-known fact about Apple, is that they try to minimalise their devices in order to create a slimmer, sleeker device. This anorexic feature of Apple is also found in their Pro notebook, which for example, only provides two USB ports which are very close to each other, and sometimes when plugging in a USB device with a wider than normal port, the other USB port is blocked. Yes this can be solved by a USB hub, but still, why buy a bulky device for a $3000 laptop when other $600 PC laptops have 4 USB ports, 2 on each side of the machine?
True. Apple really hates cables and talks a lot about cable elimination (it's one of the selling points for the iMac), but you end up with more cable spaghetti on an MBP (and the cables stick out like a sore thumb since they're white) than on a professional PC notebook since these often have a docking station, which allows you to tuck away the cables nicely. Maybe Apple got burned by the DuoDock flop, I dunno, but they should really extend their war against cables to the laptops.

The Mac OS experience is by far better than any other OS out there. I'm a very technical savvy guy with experience in Windows and Linux OS and still I found the Mac OS the best of them all. It's NOT true that Macs never crash. One time, even Calculator.app crashed, so the myth that Macs are error-free and never crash is not true. But still, Macs are 100% reliable in my opinion.
The OS is great. It does lack some features like copy/paste in the Finder, or the ability to resize windows with something other than the wimpy handle at the bottom right, but on the whole it's stable, fast, easy to use, intuitive and eye-pleasing.

In my opinion, no other company has the level of customer support offered by Apple. In my case, my iPod Touch was broken after 14 months of purchase, was out of warranty and still Apple gave me a new one without any hassle. I heard a lot of other success stories with Apple's customer support including replacements out of warranty, of previous generation machines with current generation ones.
Ooooh, now that one I can't agree with. Sure, the support might be great if you live two blocks from an Apple Store, but what if you don't? What if you live in a country where there isn't a single Apple Store (they do have international sales, after all).

Let's say it's Wednesday, and you have one week to an important and definitive deadline. You live in a small town where there's neither an Apple Store nor an Apple service center.

Suddenly, the power management on your laptop goes haywire and you suspect the culprit is a broken logic board. Damn. You don't have time for this now.

If your work machine is a pro Dell notebook, here's what you do:
Call the number on the bottom of your laptop. Describe the problem. 12-24 hours later, a guy stops by and replaces the logic board. You're up and running again with ample time to complete the project.

If your work machine is a MacBook Pro, here's what you do:
Find the number to Apple support, call them. They'll tell you they don't service portables on-site, and besides, where you live they don't do any on-site service period. They tell you that they can send a box for you so that you can send it in, but you're on this deadline, see. So they say well, if you can transport it to town X in the neighboring county, there's a service center there. So on Thursday morning you get in your car and drive there. Slap the MBP on the counter and say "fix this now please". "Woah, easy there" says the guy. "We don't have parts here. First, we have to run some diagnostics to determine what's wrong, then we order new parts from Apple". So you reluctantly leave it there and drive home. They do the diagnostics thing and order the parts, they're expected to arrive on Monday. The weekend goes by. Monday goes by. On Tuesday you get a call: your Mac is fixed, come and pick it up. On Tuesday evening you're up and running again, but despite pulling a frantic all-nighter, you're nowhere near done by Wednesday morning, and what little you've managed to produce looks like garbage.

May not seem important but much of this scenario would actually apply to me, and it's one of the things holding me back from retiring my PC notebook and getting an MBP. Of course, I'd just switch to my desktop machine and finish the project there, but that's me -- someone else might have blown his entire computer budget on an MBP.

This is something they should've rectified before they started yelling about how great it is to do the Mac switch. At least two PC manufacturers are way ahead of Apple when it comes to the speed and convenience aspects of support.

Convenience and speed aside, there are other cons with having to send or transport the machine for repairs; what if your hard disk was full of confidential work files, or something embarrassing like 40 gigs of hardcore porn (maybe even starring yourself, if you're Paris Hilton)? Not a problem with on-site repairs. Heck, you can even hold the hard disk while the repair dude does his thing. But if you have a hermetically sealed Mac that's dead so you can't get to the files in any way, and you can't remove the drive physically, the contents of your hard drive will be exposed to some unknown repairman miles away.
 
You know what, I love my MacBook Pro but it's definitely not worth the price tag. I consider myself a tech savvy guy so people who say OS X is this and that, Windows doesn't do this, looks like that, I pretty much laugh at because the annoyances that you find in Windows can be taken care of and you can probably find a similar annoyance with OS X. With that said, I purchased my MacBook Pro because I planned on doing specific tasks that can be done just as well if not better than on a Windows machine. I don't consider money a problem, but the truth is, you can find a computer with similar specs for the same price or even cheaper.

Ultimately, if you put money down for any Apple product and at the end it did what you need it to do and then some, then there's no doubt it's worth the money because that's what you paid for. But in terms of dollars spent vs. specs, not a chance - it often comes down to customers paying because it's Apple (let's be honest here, this is a factor) and the way it looks (not even arguable, Apple has the best looking hardware).

I guess at the end, the question whether if it's really worth it comes down to the customer. If a customer needs to spend $5000 on a computer and it doesn't give the user problem, then that would still be "worth it".

Not everyone is tech savvy. I have a senior that did the switch to the mac. It's been six months now and he loves his iMac. Two major problems with his last PC. 1st, user friendliness was in the toilet. 2nd, Constant screwing around with security, viruses, trojans etc. How much is you time worth? I just bought a refurbished penryn 2.5 GHz MacBook Pro for $1599, less than the UMB. I believe you can still have elegance, power, and user friendliness for a great price.
 
When buying my MBP, I was undecided between it and the high-end white MB (This was about a year ago). I could have used the money saved to buy a nice LCD monitor, and a Core2Duo and maybe graphics card for my desktop (it still has a Pentium 4 3ghz and a low-end ATI graphics card that can't really handle gaming). The features the MB would have been missing--mainly screen size, a fast way to connect to external drives (Firewire 800 or eSATA) and a video card could all be on my desktop, and I could use the MB with the monitor as long as I didn't need to do something with fast disks or games (90% of the time). I could have even set up the desktop to share the disks over gigabit Ethernet with the MB, giving me near-FW800 speeds. Also, I wouldn't have an issues with running Windows stuff in VMWare or dual-booting, both of which are a pain.

In the end I decided on the MBP, and I am really happy with it, but sometimes I miss my desktop (the only monitor I have is a 17" CRT, and my desk at college is small enough with just a laptop and stuff on it). If I were to do it again, I still don't know if I would choose the MB or the MBP.

(The ideal combination would be a Mac Pro (8 core), a 24" Cinema display, AND a MBP, but that would be about 3 times my original budget!)
 
Not everyone is tech savvy. I have a senior that did the switch to the mac. It's been six months now and he loves his iMac. Two major problems with his last PC. 1st, user friendliness was in the toilet. 2nd, Constant screwing around with security, viruses, trojans etc. How much is you time worth? I just bought a refurbished penryn 2.5 GHz MacBook Pro for $1599, less than the UMB. I believe you can still have elegance, power, and user friendliness for a great price.
I agree that Mac is the way to go for seniors, newbies, computer illiterates etc. There's not much of a learning curve and there's less chance of screwing up the system (and less chance of running into things that screw the system up all by themselves).

The only problem for newbies is application installation/uninstallation because it's non-existant. Dragging an app to the trash doesn't even begin to do a complete uninstall these days, you need to maintain a directory of uninstall scripts or else apps will leave all sorts of junk on the system. Also, Macs aren't very helpful with troubleshooting. Modern Windows (=Vista, Win7) will tell you what's wrong and lead you through some steps to correct it. It can fail, but at least it tries. With Mac it's like, well you can enter this cryptic code in Terminal, or repair permissions with Disk Utility, or do an archive/reinstall. Good luck grampa!

Not sure how a senior would end up having to screw around with viruses and trojans, though. He probably doesn't surf Russian porn and crack+serial sites, nor does anyone mail him executable attachments that he opens in spite of half a dozen warnings from the system, nor does he download warez with embedded malware. In Windows 98, viruses would spread like a common cold, in Vista they spread like AIDS: Sneezing and hugging doesn't do the trick, you need the computer equivalent of a blood transfusion or unprotected sex.
 
im attracted to the macbooks cause they are slim and cool lookn.although i use my mac with xp most of the time id buy macs in the future even if i were only to use windows on it.

look at the market for laptops and most of them are ugly and thick. sony are the only pc laptops that have the look of coolness aswell.
 
Yes, it´s worth it.

My version: 10 years with various Dell pc´s and various Windows (from W95 to Vista - the most miserable piece of techology I have ever encountered). That means 10 years with increasing worries, constant repairs and always looking for a better deal than the previous. I work as a writer. I have lost so much work due to pc failure.
The fear of loosing more eventually made me look at Macs. Now I´m 1 year into the experience and I have never felt anything like it before. I´d go as far as saying my life as a writer has improved considerably. Why MacPro? There´s no better feeling than knowing you have the best machine out there.
 
Not everyone is tech savvy. I have a senior that did the switch to the mac. It's been six months now and he loves his iMac. Two major problems with his last PC. 1st, user friendliness was in the toilet. 2nd, Constant screwing around with security, viruses, trojans etc. How much is you time worth? I just bought a refurbished penryn 2.5 GHz MacBook Pro for $1599, less than the UMB. I believe you can still have elegance, power, and user friendliness for a great price.
Would you want to let someone fly an airplane without a pilots license? Would you let someone take out a floor in your house with a jackhammer if he had never touched one of them before in his life? Would you let someone do the masonry on the facade of your house that never laid a brick in his life?

Fact of the matter is, a computer is a tool and like all tools it takes certain skills to operate one proficiently. If you don't have the skills, you shouldn't be touching one without guidance and supervision. Just because something is affordable does not make it for everyone. Just because you can go to wallmart and buy tools, oil and filters cheap does not mean everybody can or should do their own maintenance on their car.

In other words, don't blaim the computer or the OS for the problem in the chair behind it.
 
You pay a premium for aesthetics when you buy a Mac.

I like to use the car as an analogy. You can drive a Mercedes to the store or you could drive an old used Honda. Both cars will get you to the store but one will get you there in style. Which is most important to you?
 
The Macbook pro is worth my money, or your money too if you want to send me one as a gift.

I won't buy a Windows system, I want a laptop, the MB's screen is just too annoying for me, and the 17" is just far too expensive for my needs.
 
I believe it's worth every cent! I have also been one of those people who have used computers since the dos 5 days all the way through windows 3.1, 95,98,ME, 2000, Xp and now vista.

I have been using macs for 5 + years and it's been great No more crashes, spyware or viruses to worry about, and now office has come along so i can work on documents i have written at work on a windows machine and use them at home.

And plus the Macbook Pros have a great design and look really cool.
 
I believe it's worth every cent! I have also been one of those people who have used computers since the dos 5 days all the way through windows 3.1, 95,98,ME, 2000, Xp and now vista.

I have been using macs for 5 + years and it's been great No more crashes, spyware or viruses to worry about, and now office has come along so i can work on documents i have written at work on a windows machine and use them at home.

And plus the Macbook Pros have a great design and look really cool.
I am about 1 week away from ordering my first Mac (MBP 15"), and have been using PC's since the XT, and a TRS-80 before that. I have been on the internet from home since 1993.

I have yet to get a virus, or encounter a spyware problem. My Windows does not crash, and it does not get slower over time. It does not need a reinstall every 6 months. If something does happen, it is either me doing something stupid (good at that), or me installing a crappy driver. Which arguably falls in the first category too. All is fixable within 30 minutes by myself.

There is two things that will ensure a good computer experience:
1) Buy quality hardware. That means no cheap OE boxes for 299 at wally's.
2) If you want to do something, but you don't know what you are doing, don't do it.

Is a MBP worth the money? Objectively, no. On the other hand, it is the only computer you can buy that offers what I want: A Unix operating system, and ability to run proper software.

I can run Linux on a PC, but that doesn't run any decent software like Photoshop or my Canon software. I can run Windows and run all the software I want, but not have a Unix shell. OS X does both. That makes it a niche for me.

Would I normally buy one? No, too expensive for me. Can't justify that much money for a computer. But you just said you're buying one in a week I hear you say. Correct. I got a nice bonus from work, and I consider that unexpected disposable income. I like using that money to buy things I would like to have, but normally consider too expensive. It's an extra to use to buy something extra and special for just me.

That still doesn't make it worth it, but it does make it one helluva tool for what I want to do with it and one I am going to thoroughly enjoy owning.
 
Macbook pro is definitely worth it or rather in my case every mac system. I got my first one in 2003, came back from Iraq, I has seen a lot of macs out there with US forces I worked with. My top end sony vaio had died on me, whilst out on tour. I had no back ups, so I lost a few years of my life.

So I went to MK in Tottenham court road and purchased my first 15" powerbook 15" with a load of software. I had never touched a mac before, it took a bit of learning, I hated it first and was contemplated returning it. I even went and brought a new sony vaio. But after using both, I kept teh powerbook, I went on to buy a 12" and 17". My entire family laughed at me and called me mad for spending so much on a computer, now years later every one in my family has macs, from laptops to desktops. They all swear by them.

Do I pay for them absolutely, I could get a similar spec machine within reason for less. But it is not a mac, I love the OS as well as the aesthetic beauty of the machine. When I was in the forces the backlit keyboard was a life saver.

In my eyes the machines are completely worth it for the peace of mind and simplicity. I love it that everything works, I spend less time tinkering with my macs then I do with Pc's
 
The MacBook Pro was worth it when you could pick up a refurb with a matte screen and a real dual-link DVI port for $1299.

It's not worth it anymore. I won't be replacing my late "classic" MBPs anytime soon.
 
i never regret getting the MacBook Pro.
if i can start all over again, i would still buy the macbook pro.
but since i have my custom made gaming pc, i dont need macbook pro for gaming. i would say the only suck thing about macbook pro is gaming.
 
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