Is Apple company evil? If yes how?

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by umbrokhan, Dec 29, 2017.

  1. umbrokhan macrumors member

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    Is Apple company evil? If yes how?
    why android users hate Apple, iPhone so much?
     
  2. Jimmy James macrumors 68040

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    Well, the forum is abuzz with how Apple has just slowed down phones with aging (but still good) batteries.
     
  3. timeconsumer macrumors 68000

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    What makes you ask this question? I feel like it's too broad of a question. At the end of the day Apple is a business so their goal is to make as much money as possible. They have a nice approach to privacy but they have a closed system so you just have to take their word for it. If you elaborated more on your question you may get better answers.
     
  4. deany macrumors 68030

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    I don't think apple are Evil.

    However there is a major 'conflict of interest' with apple being the sole key holder of both Hardware AND Software.

    They have shareholders to keep happy and the temptations for 'sharp practice' is just to great.

    Almost a victim of their own success, I'm certainly not condoning their recent 'dirty lies', would I sign it off myself as CEO of AAPL inc? NO.

    Hopefully they will learn, the Smartphone market has changed in 2017 and 100% transparency is the only way to succeed in business long term 20+ years.
     
  5. umbrokhan thread starter macrumors member

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    YouTube channels like unbox therapy, Front Page Tech, etc are making it hard for newcomer future generation to buy iPhone, or Apple products
    Unbox therapy has 9,578,153 subscribers, so how many people listen to him..
    i think Apple is going to lose so many customers, and future customers, even new customers won't buy it because of the tech blog, biased YouTubers.
    everywhere i look i can see hate from youtuber's, on twitter, forum's, tech blogs.
    what sin did Apple commit that people want it to die?
     
  6. timeconsumer macrumors 68000

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    I think it's because a lot of people follow Apple products. Therefore when Apple has a bug or makes a bad decision people on YouTube get more views by overplaying the issue. "Clickbait titles" are also very common on YouTube to attract more views. A lot of people also believe that Apple products are overpriced for what you can get on competing products.
     
  7. deany macrumors 68030

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    For every unbox therapy there is a iJustine and Tailosive Tech plus of course AAPL marketing machine, Gold Standard, massive budget, unlimited? They will see off negative YouTube in a nano second.
     
  8. OriginalAppleGuy macrumors 6502a

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    Conflict of interest in being the holder of Hardware AND Software? if anything it's given them the advantage. Where do people come up with this stuff?

    Apple is a company run by people. No one and no one company is perfect. Just like the USA has been the envy of much of the world, so is Apple. For instance, compare their monetary position to other stock companies and their stock should be valued higher. But stocks are valued by people's feelings. And, people want Apple to fail because they are really good at what they do. Partly because they do own the hardware and software platforms. It's much easier to develop a stable operating system and better experience for the consumer.

    It's no secret Microsoft came up with "Windows 10" as the last windows. OSX / Windows 10. Industry leaders speak of how well Apple does things and they are looking at them to mimic their behavior.
     
  9. umbrokhan thread starter macrumors member

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    Unbox therapy has more then double customer's then iJustine, so don't know how that's going to help.
    most of the youtuber's, tech web sites, are mostly android user's.
     
  10. cyb3rdud3, Dec 29, 2017
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    Lol do you realise why they put out videos like that?
     
  11. deany macrumors 68030

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    I think you miss the point, 'conflict of interest' it's in regard to recent bombshell.

    Of course there are advantages, I love my 2015 rMBP and iMacs.
     
  12. OriginalAppleGuy macrumors 6502a

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    No, even with the recent realization that poorly performing batteries were causing phone shutdowns, I believe Apple would have taken the same action. Remember, just because they own the hardware design, they don't manufacture everything. It's outsourced. Even their own A series processors.

    The one decision Apple made that put them in this current PR issue was not throwing a window notification up about battery performance and processor throttling.
     
  13. deany macrumors 68030

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    Which led to Millions of Joe Public unwittingly spending £699 instead of £79 an unnecessary expenditure of £620, but a massive gain to Apples turnover and profit.

    Nice to have the choice where to spend your £620 on AAPLs profits or spending on the Kids.
     
  14. MrX8503 macrumors 68020

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    It’s a known fact that unbox Therapy doesn’t have a good relationship with Apple after the bend test. Especially after Lew begged for an iPhone X and didn’t get one.

    The truth is, even if Unbox Therapy had 1 billion followers, people will still buy what’s best for them. Apple hate has been going on for DECADES and yet, Apple is the most profitable company of all time.

    Apple will be fine.
     
  15. cyb3rdud3 macrumors 65816

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    That is a huge assumption to jump to deciding that millions of customers decided to upgrade because their phone was slow. I’m sorry but I’m not buying that, not if people on here are to believed that it can take ten seconds to perform one action. Surely that would have the adverse effect? Why would anyone go back for more? Why wouldn’t anyone think there is something wrong with their device. Do you seriously believe millions thought theirs is old and simply slow and they must upgrade?

    Nah I don’t think that is a reasonable conclusion at all.
     
  16. deany, Dec 29, 2017
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    A lot of variables here.

    Joe Public not tech savvy, macrumors not normal demographic..slow down, must be 'normal'

    Most folk have contracts, so just upgrade.

    Kudos owning iPhone

    Ecosystem

    Nice to have the choice though.
    On screen Pop up "your battery needs replacing".
    Instead of constant, almost impossible to disable, nag to upgrade software.
    May have saved a lot (millions) of Joe Public £620.
     
  17. edfoo macrumors 6502

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    Is that you Mr Robot? Calling Apple an E Corp now?
     
  18. cyb3rdud3 macrumors 65816

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    Yes but a contract coming to an end (totally normal for an iPhone 6) is normal standard expenditure. That is not necessarily nor measurable - unless done prior to this news- as a reason of what is now known.

    Lots of assumptions and guesses can be made but nobody knows the reason.

    Heck I could argue that my daughter upgraded her six plus to a seven plus because of this. But that isn’t true. There was absolutely nothing wrong with her six plus which was my six plus, she simply upgraded to the seven because I upgraded to the X.

    Lots of people have lots of reasons. But I severely doubt a ten second slow down would be it. Why wouldn’t anyone take such a phone in to get checked? My old six plus screen was unresponsive. My daughter took it in, the genius swapped it out. Problem solved.
     
  19. deany macrumors 68030

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    I'm genuinely pleased that all is good for you and your family with iPhone experience.
     
  20. nia820 macrumors 68020

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    I don't think Apple is evil. But like many other coperations, they are greedy. And sometimes that greed leads to them doing things that are bad for their customers.
     
  21. iFan83 macrumors regular

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    Apple has an interest in making money, I think they're the least evil of the bunch, they've fought for our data protection and the others followed Apple. This slow down on older iPhones shouldn't be too much of an issue moving forward with how powerful these new iPhones are, benchmarks are putting them in MacBook Pro territory!!
     
  22. rui no onna macrumors 603

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    For Apple, there's no conflict of interest. Apple's primary interest is to make money. Tying hardware and software and services together helps them make the most profit. I don't believe what they do runs afoul of anti-trust laws, either, else there'd be a lawsuit already.

    That said, I do believe they've been slipping on the quality control and customer service front.
     
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    Reminder to self: Not to binge watch too much Mr. Robot
     
  24. boltjames macrumors 601

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    iPhone owners don't care if Apple is evil and we don't know anything about Android.

    Apple makes fantastic smartphones. That's all that matters. And with prices going up, the riff and the raff that whine and stir up phony scandals until they get their free $29 bumper case or $50 savings on a battery replacement will become a thing of the past and Apple's premium smartphones, like their premium notebooks and premium tablets and premium watches, will be bought only by premium buyers who don't scream "class action lawsuit!" every time the humans who manage Apple make a minor gaffe.
     
  25. Relentless Power macrumors Penryn

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    Debatable. Clearly, your experiences may vary. And there's no real accurate metric to determine quality control other than what you read on a tech forum or through hearsay. Especially considering the millions of devices that they produce, there's no way of knowing specifically Mining that type of data to know where the quality control standards are set.

    Now, anecdotally, My experiences with their hardware has been nothing short of stellar. But that I can attest to being a consumer many of their products on my own behalf.

    As for the customer service, I think there is a reason their rated at the top. Not every experience will be ideal for some customers, because they want certain resolutions to be favored for them no matter what. Reality is, when you purchase a product, you purchase the customer service behind the Product. And they both work in tandem, and I feel the customer service is some of the best in the tech industry.
     

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