Is Apple dying?

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by shahrezsyed, Jun 23, 2013.

  1. shahrezsyed macrumors regular

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    Before anyone starts bashing me, I'm typing this on an iPhone 5 hooked up to a MacBook Air. :D
    I just saw that apple's stock price is approaching the 400$ mark even after WWDC '13 which, to me was awesome. I can't wait for the refined final GM for iOS 7...
    I know a three hundred something stock price and the amount of cash they have and the fan base they have is huge and they're not dying but where's the industry leading apple there once was? Do you think we'll see a change after hardware releases? (The next iPhone, iPads and MacBook pros?)

    Just for discussion... A good, productive discussion would be appreciated.
     
  2. mrapplegate, Jun 23, 2013
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    Why don't you change your title then since you don't think they are dying. You'll get a better discussion that way.
     
  3. McGiord macrumors 601

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    There are plenty of basic things they have not released yet, so no there will Apple for a while.
    4K Displays
    iTV
    MacBook touch
    xMac
    Lytro like camera and the right software suite
    Apple University open to anyone who want to become an Apple Developer...
    Etc....
     
  4. sonicrobby macrumors 68020

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    I dont think so. Maybe small jumps here and there. But I think the next big hike would be if they do release something revolutionary, something that creates "a new standard." If the iTV truly does change the way we all experience the television, then that could possibly be a major boost in their stock prices.

    But lately the hardware updates and small features added into the new OS isnt enough to impress anyone. While those are new features to us in the Apple world, they arent all necessarily new to the rest of the world.
     
  5. Mr. Retrofire macrumors 601

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    Good for you. I use my golden Samsung Galaxy S3 for such tasks. It is necessary.

    Apple sells a lot of devices to schools, the government, large corporations, et cetera. I do not think they need a “fan base”.
     
  6. BasicGreatGuy Contributor

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    No. But if it does, we have the technology to put it back together again, making it stronger and faster than before. Cue Six Million Dollar Man theme.
     
  7. blubyu macrumors member

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    If you are as old as me then you would know that your question makes no sense. If you don't like what Apple is currently doing then please move to something else.
     
  8. Pinkie Pie macrumors regular

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    Apple's newfound popularity is secretly a side-effect of the zombie trend. Dead people, dead companies: everyone loves dead things!

    (Don't we have this discussion every week?)
     
  9. Zerilos macrumors 6502a

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    After Cook announced that Apple has several exciting products coming out this fall during the last earnings report, I predicted we would see APPL fall to under 300 over the next several months and then eventually rise to over 500 during 2014.
    I'm not that excited about the iPhone 5s or the iPad 5 (though very excited to see what the iPhone 6 will be), Apple clearly has some very significant strengths. Apple is currently making a ton of money in software and media sales via iTunes and the App Store. If the rumors are true about a lower cost iPhone (they are) and a lower cost iPad Mini (not sure) then Apple can expect accelerated growth into developing markets and this will mean additional media and software sales. Also, the integration into iOS 7 of game controller support is IMHO huge. iOS is already a big player in the world of game development, and a game controller is only going to make them bigger.
     
  10. xcodeaddict macrumors 6502a

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    ...

    I get the impression that the number of useful and meaningful subjects for discussion is more likely to be dying...

    :rolleyes:
     
  11. turtle777 macrumors 6502a

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    What's wrong with the other 1,453,765,854 good productive discussions about Apple dying that already exist on teh intarwebs ?

    -t
     
  12. Simplicated macrumors 65816

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    Just because the stock price is dropping doesn't make Apple worse.
     
  13. simsaladimbamba

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    And yet you do not return to it. Why?
     
  14. roadbloc macrumors G3

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  15. sdilley14 macrumors 65816

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    This.

    As an Apple fan and somebody that watches the markets casually, I've come to take AAPL prices with a grain of salt. When it was up around $700 it was grossly overpriced. I think right around $450-$500 is a fair price. But they are held to a standard of progressive growth that is pretty much impossible to continue to fulfill.

    Their prices can fluctuate dramatically based on rumors and analyst sentiment. Their valuation doesn't seem to be based on true company worth and reasonable, attainable growth anymore. At this point, if they aren't releasing a radically re-designed iPhone, an actual Apple TV set, or some other new, category changing or defining product, the stock price seems to just stagnate or even take a slight hit.

    It was either their last earnings call, or the call before that one, they released numbers showing that they literally had the most profitable quarter in the history of the company and (I believe) the most profitable quarter in the history of ANY company...and the stock price promtply proceeded to decline because their rate of growth year over year or quarter over quarter didn't meet analyst expectations. Supid IMO.

    Short answer, no, Apple is not dying. They are VERY much thriving, and will continue to thrive for a very long time. Just because the stock price is stalling and dipping, doesn't mean the sky is falling. At this point, I don't care about the stock...just keep releasing amazing products, the rest will take care of itself.
     
  16. Rogifan macrumors P6

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    Can someone explain why Apple deserves a PE of 9 when Google's is 26 and Microsoft's is 18? If Apple was grossly overvalued what the heck is Google at almost $900 or Microsoft at near 52 week highs?
     
  17. Longhorns90, Jun 29, 2013
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    Did Steve Jobs take Apple to the grave?

    I don't' mean to insult Steve in anyway, but it seems everything that Apple has done since that including releasing the 4s and getting over 10,000,000 of the core iPhone customers using the iPhone 4 to go to the 4s surely thinking Apple was committed till the natural time they all are eligible again as has been the case without exception the entire time since 8 years back when it started. Well, then the iPhone 5 is nothing more then oops here is the 4G you iPhone 3 and 3s users can upgrade to when the iPhone 4 and 4s were too expensive, but now you can just from 3 to 4g how about it?
    That started the nightmare where millions of us have been eligible since May 15th, but till the end of July or end of August at worse, unless we switch brands there won't be 4g in our pockets.

    When I saw that release, without a date, or a solid single feature that really makes you go wow I got nervous. If the rumor of double the resolution holds, then the HTC 1x, the S4, and LG Optimus Pro will all have better resolution 5 months earlier
    If they keep it 4 inches, then only the Developers benefit, and we become the official industry Sub Mini being .3 inches smaller than the now 4.3 inch Mini standard.

    On top of all that, Millions of users have been waiting for the Air to become Retina display. Reasons why it should be

    1) Until Retina Display it was the highest resolution unit over all other laptops
    2) The only reason they claimed why was battery drain, and now with Haswell that is a non issue

    So they announce no screen change, and then right as you start to calm down, and rationally are considering to stay another year, or get your new Ultra book, the Non Apple entire segment dedicated to competing with the "Air", and their standard for resolution is
    Standard 1600 x 900 versus 1400 by 900
    Prime version = Full HD 1920 x 1080

    So the Air can't beat or tie the standard and is smoked by the Primes and with Haswell watching movies became biggest advantage, so HD screen only makes sense.

    Right after that nightmare, this week Apple announced the iPad Mini at 7.9 inches will now go Retina Display at 2550 x 1400 resolution Sub 400 bucks at Walmart gets Retina, but $1300 and the industry defining computer stays 1400 x 900

    There is a very strong argument that they buried Apple with Steve Jobs ,and all of these things not only don't make sense, but most of them are flat out insulting to the loyal customer, and it seems like they are literally daring us to leave by missing the mark on one front, and delaying to not impress on the other front, but I pray in the end the iPhone is so good, that I wait, and then at Xmas they release Retina anyway, and I can get one for Xmas

    Otherwise, I must admit I have studied the ASUS UX 31a Prime, and other than needing Haswell, and 8GB ram without having to be a commercial account attached to the Mother board, that appears the unit unless some of the Zbooks from Sonys's last year that disappeared come back around at 999 to 1199 when they were 2500 plus new, but Sony stopped doing any this year because Microsofts 8.0 wouldn't work with Docks, and as their top series they stopped waiting for that fix. But I didn't want to study it, but all of this without a single piece of good news made me be prudent.
     
  18. Hastings101 macrumors 68000

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    I don't think it's dying, it's just becoming another tech company that has to compete on an even playing field. I think that Apple really thrived over the past decade thanks to periods where it almost had a monopoly on something. Apple's success all seems to be based on them being the first to move consumer technology forward in certain areas, like making buying music online popular (iTunes) all the way to the iPad making tablets something desirable, and then cashing in on it before their competitors can come up with a decent product. Apple hasn't really done anything all that groundbreaking product-wise for around three years now, and lately they've even been late getting into the market (iPad Mini), so they haven't had a period where they can thrive without much competition.

    You don't have to be the market leader to be a successful company, Apple can still make billions and billions without being #1.
     
  19. kendall69 macrumors regular

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    Ah cmon on

    People have been saying Apple was dead since 1978 - YES I said 1978 when I first started using Apple products.

    Apple has more money than most Countries and actually more than THIS Country.

    Jobs was a visionary, brilliant etc - but he'n not the only one. A new visionary is born every day.
     
  20. thekev macrumors 604

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    Microsoft manages it through dividends. Google is mostly institutionally owned as well. If the funds decide to dump Google, they will also have stock problems. I hope you didn't personally lose money on it.
     

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