Is Apple Evil?

Discussion in 'Community Discussion' started by ApplesAOranges, Aug 26, 2011.

  1. ApplesAOranges macrumors 6502

    Jan 7, 2011
  2. iStudentUK macrumors 65816


    Mar 8, 2009
    It's a multi-billion dollar corporation. Of course it's evil!

    That's what the world is like, Apple care about one thing only- money and how to get more of it. Strangley Apple has followers who seem to think it cares deeply about them, and about making the world better through better tech. It doesn't. It cares only about the money you have in your pocket. It's the same for every big company.
  3. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    Apple is a corporation not a human being. Its stated goal is to be profitable and make money for its owners (share holders). They do so in ways that have been incredibly productive. Does that make them evil, is making money a bad thing in 2011?
  4. greygray macrumors 68000


    Oct 22, 2009
    THIS. Plus, most TNCs are profit-driven, which makes them automatically evil. BUt again, it can be a double-edged sword in the consumer world. Better quality products from Apple after competition from Microsoft, etc? Yes please, Apple wouldn't be evil then! But if they charge sky-high prices that maximize their profit manyfold, then Apple IS evil.
  5. eawmp1 macrumors 601


    Feb 19, 2008
    People are evil. Corporations are profitable (or not).
    The article (and its replies) are laughable.
  6. decafjava macrumors 68020


    Feb 7, 2011
  7. firestarter macrumors 603


    Dec 31, 2002
    Green and pleasant land
    Making money isn't evil, and being number 1 isn't evil.

    In big business there's no room for half measures - you either play to win or you may as well not bother. Who is buying music from the Zune store these days?

    Having said that, it's not great to see the big players spending billions on patents and 'winning' in the court system rather than winning through innovation. That feels evil, and doesn't seem to be a great way of serving customers.

    It's the job of these corporations to play by the rules of the game that they've been given, and we the voting public are the ones who set the rules. The current patent system seems really broken - but it's the job of society to fix it and make it work. In the meantime, companies have to protect themselves in order to stay competitive.
  8. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6


    Aug 17, 2007
    Where have you been. You obviously didn't get the memo. Any profitable company is by definition evil. For example I give you: Exxon, Wal Mart, Haliburton, Goldman Sachs.;)
  9. Shrink macrumors G3


    Feb 26, 2011
    New England, USA

    Not in and of itself - it's how you make the money counts. ;)
  10. Scepticalscribe Contributor


    Jul 29, 2008
    The Far Horizon
    No, Apple is not evil (and the use of that very word in this context makes the article cited in the OP's post rather monochromatic in outlook). The very use of the word "evil", which is a very powerful one, pre-supposes or assumes an extreme, or an already polarised position on such a question.

    Apple designs, manufactures and sells a number of products which are beautifully crafted and which are much sought after by the section of the world's population which can afford such consumer goods and are impressed by the products on offer.

    However, in common with many companies which have been truly ground-breaking, Apple leaves quite a bit to be desired in how it makes its money and the ethical short-cuts it permits to be taken in pursuit of profit. Ethical short-cuts indicate a tolerance of amoral and immoral business practices; they do not indicate outright evil, as the word is understood, in the wider world. This may or may not change over time, or with the proverbial "passing of the torch".

    It is a very successful company, without, it would seem, having to carry the cost of the burden of a corporate conscience. It goes without saying that this would also seem to be what the share-holders desire.

  11. killerrobot macrumors 68020


    Jun 7, 2007
    Well, Romney says corporations are people too, therefore if people are evil then corporations are evil. ;)
  12. eawmp1 macrumors 601


    Feb 19, 2008
    As I reject Romney's statement, I'll stand by my post.
  13. FroMann macrumors 6502


    Mar 26, 2011
    North Carolina, USA.
    Apple makes a bunch of a money but they at least have good customer service, Which is hard to find nowadays.
  14. ApplesAOranges thread starter macrumors 6502

    Jan 7, 2011
  15. GfPQqmcRKUvP macrumors 68040


    Sep 29, 2005

    Great post.
  16. aziatiklover macrumors 68030


    Jul 12, 2011
    Location: and
    >2011>making money makes you evil> I seriously hope you guys don't do this
    AmIright Google? lol
  17. Daffodil macrumors 6502


    Jun 7, 2011
    In a sunny state of mind
    This seems about right to me. :)

    Am I the only one unable to decipher this post..? :eek::(
  18. Shrink macrumors G3


    Feb 26, 2011
    New England, USA

    Nope. I don't have a clue either. :confused: :eek:

    But I was too embarrassed to admit it until you did :eek:
  19. maril1111 macrumors 68000


    Mar 14, 2010
    Me 3, I get the first part, even though i disagree, but the last part is non comprehendible to me
  20. jackc macrumors 65816


    Oct 19, 2003
    It is possible to be motivated by more than one thing. Yes, it is a profit-maximizing company but Jobs didn't work every day the way he did to make another million. There's a reason he wouldn't want to be selling sugar water.
  21. iJohnHenry, Aug 27, 2011
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2011

    iJohnHenry macrumors P6


    Mar 22, 2008
    On tenterhooks
    Evil is subjective anyway.

    Either a moral judgement, based on experience gathered, or political "expediency".


    EDIT: I just discovered that it's permitted to "Up/Down" ones own posts.

    Another strike against this "function". :(
  22. *LTD*, Aug 27, 2011
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2011

    *LTD* macrumors G4


    Feb 5, 2009
    No. Sauron is "evil" from LOTR, and trolls from fantasy novels.

    As I'm sitting here enjoying my Mac, iPhone and iPad, the last thing that comes to mind is how "evil" Apple is. Like, who cares, really. Apple isn't breaking any laws. They haven't been convicted of anything. They sell a product and do it lawfully. Where's the problem?

    Using legal court mechanisms to champion your interests isn't "evil." It's business. The point of any business is to make a profit. However, consumers get stuff they want in return. A few people don't seem to like it when it's done on a large scale, however.

    This whole "xxx corporation is evil" stuff is truly empty-headed. Which means, of course, that it has to appear on MacRumors as a thread topic. :roll eyes:

    FYI, OP should consider the source.

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