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is apple going to drop tiger when snowleopard is released?

Project Alice

Project Alice

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I never thought I would ever say this, but recently I think apple should be more like MS. windows xp will be supported till 2014, leopard even probably wont even make it past 2011. snow leopard only runs on intel (BIG MISTAKE APPLE) and im runnning windows 7 on a 10yr laptop thats well below the requirements and it run amazing. snow leopard wont run on a speedy 4 year old 2ghz g5 or the faster g4s. when i upgrade my ipod again will have to shell out 1000 buks to buy a new mac to? (though i can use a pc that is 10 years old)
 
In order to truly lead into the future, you have to leave the past behind

It hurt me to lose OS9/Classic too, but we move on
I want the newer technology and I don't want to be held back and shackled by backwards compatibility

Apple made a big jump from PPC to Intel
MS did not


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Tiger support will probably be dropped, but I'm sure there will be plenty of people still using it.

Leopard support, however, will last until a very, very large majority of Mac users on on Intel.

The Leopard thing puts me in a sticky wicket. My PowerMac is 733 MHz, so it isn't officially supported by Leopard, but there are workarounds for that. I also really need Classic for HyperCard. If I had an OS 9 disc, I'd run SheepShaver, but I don't.
 
They will most likely continue to support Tiger with software updates for a little while longer, as they have done in the past with older OS's. The genius bar will still help you and AppleCare if you have it for a machine that still uses Tiger.
I know that they consider any hardware about 4-5 years old legacy and will not support it, but it is probably a bit different for software.

I don't know what you are talking about with the iPod and old hardware not being supported I have two 5 year old macs and a 4 year old iPod that are supported and work just fine.
 
Tallest Skil said:
Not speedy. Any current Intel Mac is faster than any G5.
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I feel that is misinformation and I feel like arguing.

It depends on the application. Not many these days can take advantage of multiple cores well, so for a few years, clock speed will still be a big decider in what computer you want to buy.

So depending on the application, a comparably equipped G5 will run a bit slower, but for the price of an Intel mini, you can get a DP G5 that will run faster.
 
Instead of assumptions, you may want to find out from an authoritative source at Apple when they will end support for Tiger. Just because support is ends sometime in the future, the software is not going to stop working, so use it till you are ready do upgrade the machine. No one has said your future new iPod won't work with your present machine. If you are happy with Win7 on an old laptop, use it by all means. Not having a huge Corporate installed base can be a benefit to moving forward quickly (sometimes). Besides, have you ever tried calling MS for support? :)

If you just want to vent, consider "Community Discussion" or "Apple, Industry and Internet Discussion" parts of this forum.
 
rick3000 said:
They will most likely continue to support Tiger with software updates for a little while longer, as they have done in the past with older OS's. The genius bar will still help you and AppleCare if you have it for a machine that still uses Tiger.
I know that they consider any hardware about 4-5 years old legacy and will not support it, but it is probably a bit different for software.
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Tiger is already at 10.4.11. I thought they'd stop at 10.4.10. I really don't see Tiger support for more than a few months after SL is out.
 
Project Alice said:
I never thought I would ever say this, but recently I think apple should be more like MS.
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It should be noted that one of reasons behind the criticism of the Windows platform is its legacy. It has to support a wide variety of old platforms, adding to its instability.

Project Alice said:
snow leopard only runs on intel (BIG MISTAKE APPLE)
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The Intel transition began over 3 years ago, and Leopard will probably be supported another 1 to 2 years. 5 years is longer than most Windows PCs last, and many of the PowerPC machines that are in service today have been running longer than that.

I have a Dual G4 that's been running since 2002. It's a great machine, but really, 7 years is a good run, and I much enjoy the Intel based machines I also have. It seems reasonable that Apple should not be required to support it forever.
 
I don't think apple will just immediately drop tiger with this next release. It will be around for awhile and supported for that time. How long that is is hard to say, but I bet that decision will be made based on how many people are still using tiger. To the OP, macs have a great record of having long life spans through many operating systems. As for MS, Windows Vista put a brick wall up for a lot of semi-new machines. I think your argument is off base.
 
I dont expect 10.4.12 either. I'm talking itunes, safari, QT. apple dropped safari on panther to early, it should have gone up to 3.2.x if you ask me. itunes 8 requires tiger now, so when SL comes out, whatever version of itunes its at will most likely want 10.5 QT X i know will never be out for tiger, but will probably be ported to windows xp (which translates into tiger) and leopard. safari will probably lose tiger at around 4.1 - 4.2

Not speedy. Any current Intel Mac is faster than any G5.
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not speedy? ok, yes any current intel is faster, except the mba and mac mini.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1546799/posts

yes the intel mac pro is faster than the powermac g5, but its faster than a couple of the current intel models.

and in my opinion PowerPC CPUs are better than intel, the PS3 has 8 (i think its 8) core PPC G5
the xbox 360 is a PPC as well. and macs now have intel because apple didnt want to wait a little longer for IBM to release a mobile g5 cpu.
 
Project Alice said:
and in my opinion PowerPC CPUs are better than intel, the PS3 has 8 (i think its 8) core PPC G5
the xbox 360 is a PPC as well.
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That's nice, but no version of OS X will run on those machines. They are special-purposes devices.

And opinion is one thing, but the industry is dictating something else, whether you disagree with that or not.

Lastly: the PS3 uses a Cell Microprocessor. Technically, it is a multi-core CPU, but those cores are used differently than the Symmetric Multiprocessing configuration used on most desktops, including Macs.

and macs now have intel because apple didnt want to wait a little longer for IBM to release a mobile g5 cpu.
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I would also bet the ability to run Windows ultimately had something to do with that as well.
 
This is one of my big issues with Apple. I have called for a minimum of Five years of security updates after last date of retail sale. That means if you bought a 10.4 machine from Apple June 1, 2007, then Apple will be making security updates for 10.4 until June 1, 2012. This does NOT hold OS X back. It is called Supporting What You Sell.

BobZune said:
Instead of assumptions, you may want to find out from an authoritative source at Apple when they will end support for Tiger. Just because support is ends sometime in the future, the software is not going to stop working, so use it till you are ready do upgrade the machine. No one has said your future new iPod won't work with your present machine. If you are happy with Win7 on an old laptop, use it by all means. Not having a huge Corporate installed base can be a benefit to moving forward quickly (sometimes). Besides, have you ever tried calling MS for support? :)
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Ya ya ya, but without security updates, you are risking everything by continuing to use your system on the Internet. The Network IS the Computer.

scaredpoet said:
It should be noted that one of reasons behind the criticism of the Windows platform is its legacy. It has to support a wide variety of old platforms, adding to its instability.
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Yes, but that isn't caused by Microsoft's excellent job of Supporting What They Sell. Apple doesn't have a policy of supporting their products; their policy is to screw their customers.
 
Amdahl said:
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Ya ya ya, but without security updates, you are risking everything by continuing to use your system on the Internet. The Network IS the Computer.

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That is the tradeoff -- if you want to keep up with the world, upgrade. If you want to stay with something old, you live with the any vulnerabilities by taking sensible precautions (e.g., NoScript in Firefox). No one has yet complained of botnets of OS X Tiger machines.

This has the potential of being one of those never ending threads, since we are talking about nothing that can be resolved here. :D
 
sup fellas/ladies, am new to owning a mac, i support both PC and mac; just my first got one last week, i have to agree with the OP, its one thing to pay $99 to $150 for a OS upgrade rather than $1400 to $1700 (CND :)).

yes MS was dumb for not getting ride of the lagacy stuff lets say 10 yr ago but in the end its cheaper to own and run a PC.

what if apple go with AMD in the next 5 years.

its been 17-20 years since i've had a virus on my PC, download a lot. as for software/programs and ease of use thats something i'll run away from, am not touching that..

thanks
 
sonspot said:
yes MS was dumb for not getting ride of the lagacy stuff lets say 10 yr ago but in the end its cheaper to own and run a PC.
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That's completely subjective. If you buy a base model PC, it seems cheaper but in the end, it's a slower system that doesn't last as long as a higher-price, more capable system, Mac OR PC.

The cost of ownership argument has been hashed over and over and largely debunked. As someone who "supports" both PC and Mac, you should know this.

what if apple go with AMD in the next 5 years.
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Absolutely nothing? They run the same architecture. In fact the x86-64 architecture used in Intel's Core2 processors was designed by AMD, not Intel who licenses the spec from them.

As someone who "supports" both PCs and Macs, you really should know this...


its been 17-20 years since i've had a virus on my PC, download a lot.
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Congratulations! And I haven't had an infected PC since I was a kid, back in 1987. :) Even so, I've seen plenty that have.

But, while your trolling is appreciated, this discussion has nothing to do with further support of Tiger.
 
scaredpoet said:
That's completely subjective. If you buy a base model PC, it seems cheaper but in the end, it's a slower system that doesn't last as long as a higher-price, more capable system, Mac OR PC.

The cost of ownership argument has been hashed over and over and largely debunked. As someone who "supports" both PC and Mac, you should know this.



Absolutely nothing? They run the same architecture. In fact the x86-64 architecture used in Intel's Core2 processors was designed by AMD, not Intel who licenses the spec from them.

As someone who "supports" both PCs and Macs, you really should know this...




Congratulations! And I haven't had an infected PC since I was a kid, back in 1987. :) Even so, I've seen plenty that have.

But, while your trolling is appreciated, this discussion has nothing to do with further support of Tiger.
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wow, trolling, wow. i did not post to start arguing, i've build all my PC, compare to a name brand more expensive, its been faster and did whatever i've wanted it to..

i've stayed away from mac world because of the am right your wrong, my sys is better safer than your attitude, truth be told i've not really seen it on the forums i've been researching, so before i start $iht base on someone's ignorant assumption i'll walk away..

thanks
 
BobZune said:
This has the potential of being one of those never ending threads, since we are talking about nothing that can be resolved here. :D
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Sure, it can be resolved. Just tell me how many years you expect Apple to provide security updates from the date they sell you a product. My answer is Five.
 
I can't see them dropping it completely or immediately, but sure, it will happen relatively soon after the release of SL.
 
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