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Is apple gonna have to step the iPhone up?

Some of you guys are missing the point. Apple has grown way too content with it's OS. Even Microsoft has finally caught on that it needs to reinvent itself. Why can't Apple. This isn't a Apple vs Android thread, this is an Apple vs Apple thread. The iPhone 4.0 will look the same as iPhone 1.0 barring folders and wallpapers. It's just not progressing and becoming stale way too quick. The homescreens are boring. Sure maybe Apple's smartphone are more for those that are not that into smartphones, but the definition of a smartphone is it's amount of functionality, not how pretty it is or how easy it is to use. The iPhone OS needs a total revamping at this point.

I also think it is sad that the iPad can't get OS 4 until this Fall. Who dropped the ball on that one? I mean a tablet that can't multitask? Not trying to be a dick here but that should be near the top of their priority list.
 
corriewf said:
Some of you guys are missing the point. Apple has grown way too content with it's OS. Even Microsoft has finally caught on that it needs to reinvent itself. Why can't Apple. This isn't a Apple vs Android thread, this is an Apple vs Apple thread. The iPhone 4.0 will look the same as iPhone 1.0 barring folders and wallpapers. It's just not progressing and becoming stale way too quick. The homescreens are boring. Sure maybe Apple's smartphone are more for those that are not that into smartphones, but the definition of a smartphone is it's amount of functionality, not how pretty it is or how easy it is to use. The iPhone OS needs a total revamping at this point.

I also think it is sad that the iPad can't get OS 4 until this Fall. Who dropped the ball on that one? I mean a tablet that can't multitask? Not trying to be a dick here but that should be near the top of their priority list.
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I agree it's apple vs apple. Oh boy, you're making so much sense it hurts. You better hide under your bridge troll, the tidal-flames are coming :rolleyes:
 
For ****'s sake guys wait for the new phone, which quite frankly we know very little about, then we can truely extol or criticize with KNOWLEDGE. Else we are just pissing in the wind
 
Budice said:
For ****'s sake guys wait for the new phone, which quite frankly we know very little about, then we can truely extol or criticize with KNOWLEDGE. Else we are just pissing in the wind
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We know more about this iteration than we have known about any other that has come out. What we know so far is some good and a lot stale.

I will give you ONE killer feature in Android that is innovative. One feature that blows me away. One feature that makes my underwear fill up.

Speech to text across the board. I can sit there and compose an sms without ever touching the keyboard. Email? Just talk and it types baby.

I remember years ago Microsoft trying to do this and they never could get it to work very well. Google's OS is very accurate with it. I can be in Walmart ( cause im white trash) and simply say " ok baby I will buy some diapers " and boom it's a text right off to my wife. With the iphone I have to stop what im doing ( which is really important at Walmart ) and start typing. I would like to see stats of how many people have accidentally walked into things while trying to type out a text msg. I once started typing out an email, looked up to find myself in a different state. It's CRAZY people!
 
i think the best thing for Apple is to continue to strengthen their focus in what they are good at: iTunes Music Store, and the App Store. it's really the only functional difference between Android and iPhone OS.

Apple is trying to build an ecosystem, or a subculture around their devices. they want people to be able to play games and share their achievements with Game Center a la XBOX live, they want developers and peripheral manufacturers to have a sandbox to share their creations on and make money.

i go to community college so i see a lot of android phones. when i see someone using an iPhone (or iPod Touch) they are usually playing games or listening to music with their headphones on. whenever i see someone with an android phone, they are just checking their email or text messaging - something you could be doing 10 years ago on a blackerry. why don't android phone users use their phone as an mp3 player? that's the #1 function of the iPhone.

if Apple loses their focus and starts to concentrate on features that the end user really doesn't know how to use, then they'll wind up like Google - making big announcements without having really enriched the user's lives.

i'm a lucky owner of a Google voice account - yet i have no idea what it is or how i should use it... i set it up and totally forgot about it. is this what makes android better than iPhone?
 
What we do know about the new iphone is that it will be much more powerful & thereby make multitasking work very well. That fantastic app you describe corrifew will need this extra power thereby it will be a breeze in the new iteration.
I think a lot of the scornful comments of Apple stems from not how things work (because generally they work well, are usually innovative and filter out the crap) but from the high cost to own and use the products. You get what you pay for addm. Reading this back I know I will attract the easy 'fanboy' tag but really it is just an opinion....
 
Budice said:
What we do know about the new iphone is that it will be much more powerful & thereby make multitasking work very well. That fantastic app you describe corrifew will need this extra power thereby it will be a breeze in the new iteration.
I think a lot of the scornful comments of Apple stems from not how things work (because generally they work well, are usually innovative and filter out the crap) but from the high cost to own and use the products. You get what you pay for addm. Reading this back I know I will attract the easy 'fanboy' tag but really it is just an opinion....
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Sorry, which app?

There is speculation that Apple is going with 256 of ram again. I would dismiss such a rumor, but after the iPad, it's hard to. That will only hurt it's multitasking abilities. Well that's if the multitasking is true multitasking at all.
 
Budice said:
What we do know about the new iphone is that it will be much more powerful & thereby make multitasking work very well. That fantastic app you describe corrifew will need this extra power thereby it will be a breeze in the new iteration.
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If I understand it correctly, voice-to-text is not an app. It's a feature built into the Android operating system so that it works across all applications. It's something I'm excited about trying out as well. I don't think there have been any announcements of a similar feature coming to the iPhone though.
 
corriewf said:
The iPhone 4.0 will look the same as iPhone 1.0 barring folders and wallpapers. It's just not progressing and becoming stale way too quick. The homescreens are boring. Sure maybe Apple's smartphone are more for those that are not that into smartphones, but the definition of a smartphone is it's amount of functionality, not how pretty it is or how easy it is to use. The iPhone OS needs a total revamping at this point.
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Wait, I'm a little confused.

So it's NOT about how pretty it is, right? But your problem is that you're bored with the way it looks?

You need to explain how those 2 things are different, because I'm not quite getting your meaning.
 
FightTheFuture said:
i think the best thing for Apple is to continue to strengthen their focus in what they are good at: iTunes Music Store, and the App Store. it's really the only functional difference between Android and iPhone OS.

Apple is trying to build an ecosystem, or a subculture around their devices. they want people to be able to play games and share their achievements with Game Center a la XBOX live, they want developers and peripheral manufacturers to have a sandbox to share their creations on and make money.

i go to community college so i see a lot of android phones. when i see someone using an iPhone (or iPod Touch) they are usually playing games or listening to music with their headphones on. whenever i see someone with an android phone, they are just checking their email or text messaging - something you could be doing 10 years ago on a blackerry. why don't android phone users use their phone as an mp3 player? that's the #1 function of the iPhone.

if Apple loses their focus and starts to concentrate on features that the end user really doesn't know how to use, then they'll wind up like Google - making big announcements without having really enriched the user's lives.

i'm a lucky owner of a Google voice account - yet i have no idea what it is or how i should use it... i set it up and totally forgot about it. is this what makes android better than iPhone?
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Look up.


What about unified notifications? iPhone's pop-up notifications? Dumbest thing ever.

What about wireless syncing?

Those are just some things.

Listen, I'm a huge iPhone fan. I'll probably be on for the next iteration, but claiming that Android doesn't have anything to offer is rather silly. There's a ton of great things on Android that I'd love to see that iPhone has yet to have.

w00master
 
lol well as you can see I am slightly talking out of my **** because I know very little about the Android just the same as I know very little about the new iphone. Speculation is the name of the game here so here goes:
1. With the A4 chip and the built for hardware multitasking it is going to be lightning fast
2. Voice to text has always been a desire (with some very poor trys) for the last 20 years so it seems to me it will incorporate/allow this feature.
3. It will be a very desirable product moreso than than the affordable Android.
 
w00master said:
Look up.


What about unified notifications? iPhone's pop-up notifications? Dumbest thing ever.

What about wireless syncing?

Those are just some things.

Listen, I'm a huge iPhone fan. I'll probably be on for the next iteration, but claiming that Android doesn't have anything to offer is rather silly. There's a ton of great things on Android that I'd love to see that iPhone has yet to have.

w00master
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http://www.youtube.com/user/GoogleDevelopers#p/c/CF01A789E62F2454/1/dBQFXRW5ZiE

All you have to watch this short clip from yesterday's Google I/O and you'll understand why iPhone 4.0 will be playing catching up even before it's released. That cloud to device functionality alone is light year ahead of iPhone 4.0's push notification. It's also embarrassing that iPad's browser lost the benchmark test to the Nexus One running Froyo. No wonder Google was having lots of fun picking on Apple throughout the entire keynote; their products are simply superior.

Apple could have had wireless synching by now, but as usual the app was rejected by the App Store. I was like you; I couldn't live without the iPhone. It was years ahead of the competition. But in the end I'm glad I switched to the N1 and I couldn't be happier. Everything I wished iPhone had can be found on the Nexus One.
 
w00master said:
Look up.

What about unified notifications? iPhone's pop-up notifications? Dumbest thing ever.

What about wireless syncing?

Those are just some things.
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i think you missed the point of my comment. Apple has a great ecosystem with the Music Store and the App Store. in many ways it's unmatched. people love these things. Apple should put more emphasis on what makes their phone special, not try to do everything Google is doing. it doesn't matter how much new things Google crams into Android, if people don't use them, then what's the point? are there hordes of people using Google Voice?

kenypowa said:
It's also embarrassing that iPad's browser lost the benchmark test to the Nexus One running Froyo. No wonder Google was having lots of fun picking on Apple throughout the entire keynote; their products are simply superior.
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i saw that video too - but i don't understand why they didn't load a webpage, and instead loaded some chrome optimized web applet. we can gush about tech demos all we want, but when it comes down to it - you should buy products that make you happy. not what has the fastest processor. if specs mattered to us, then none of us would have macs.
 
Simgar988 said:
beautifully put sir. With my jailbroken iPhone, I've essencially been running 4.0 and guess what. It's nothing exciting. Multitasking and folders (hardly folders with only 12 apps per) is all we get? Really? Hardly and GUI changes, and were still stuck with this stupid 12 app springboard, which is totaly ineffecient for anyone using any decent number of apps. Why can't we see the weather in the topbar, why no lockscreen info? This stuff isn't hard to do. Apple won't survive if their yearly updates are this... Miniscule.
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If you really believe that then you're not paying attention. There is exactly one hardware company in the world that is making large profits on smartphones. It's Apple. Google's Nexus One which outclasses the iPhone in every measurable way has been an abject failure. They've sold so few that they have stopped selling them direct and Verizon decided against selling them.

The reason is simple. The number of "spec" guys in the world is shrinking daily. People are quickly learning (largely from Windows) that buying all the highest specs does not guarantee a good experience. People got sick of spending tons of money to get extra ram, more vram, larger hard disks, etc. At the end the day their experience still sucks.

Just like with Android. Multitasking on Android SUCKS because it's implemented just like on a desktop. For the average user (which probably doesn't post on macrumors nor even know what macrumors is) it's much to complex and provides a crappy experience -- terrible battery life because they don't understand the implications of things running in the background. And frankly they don't care and don't want to know those implications.

The one true measure of success - sales and profitability - indicate Apple is way, way ahead of the game. And pulling further away every single day. The other manufacturers are all giving their phones away in one form or another to remain volume leaders. But every phone they given away and don't profit on is a hit against their future. The company with biggest PROFITS, not revenue, can invest more over time and sustain that advantage.

The only 2 companies in the world that can compete with Apple by that measure are Google and Microsoft. Yet they both have struggled mightily to date with delivering on the user experience regardless of the specs. I actually think Microsoft Windows Mobile is closer than Android at this point. Google is throwing every spec at the wall they can think of to see what sticks. So far, nothing really has in a significant way that drives PROFITs. To date, despite everything Google has done across many different hardware and software categories, they have managed to be profitable in only 1 activity - selling ads with search. History shows that is not a longer term sustainable approach.
 
Either they step it up or I'm steppin out!

It comes down to what I want and need

4.3" screen

Mobile hotspot

4G speed

Adobe Flash

I don't want to jump ship

But Apple has had plenty of time to get it together

June 7 is judgement day
 
Alchematron said:
Either they step it up or I'm steppin out!
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4.3" screen - Why?? It will be higher res. Get an iPad if you want a larger device

Mobile hotspot - Use MyWi

4G speed - All 3G capable iPhones are compatible with the upcoming 4G GSM network, the same cannot be said for Verizon

Adobe Flash - Don't think so.
 
The OS on the iPhone is old and tired. The simple element of having a pull up/down menu for frequently used features. i.e. toggles for wifi, bluetoof, notifications, etc. That would be a wonderful start and how Apple has not implemented this already is really ridiculous and pathetic.

I've owned each version of the iPhone and love it. I just Apple would be more proactive. Unfortunately they now find themselves having to be reactive and that is truly sad for a company that has always been a leader.

Apple is going to get hit from every angle regarding competition and that's a good thing. However they need to kick it down a gear or two or they'll going to get knocked the eff off their mountain top rather quickly.

I usually don't rant, but I felt the need this evening.
 
Mobile hotspot - Use MyWi Why void your warranty to use this feature?

4G speed - All 3G capable iPhones are compatible with the upcoming 4G GSM network, the same cannot be said for Verizon LTE won't be coming to AT&T for at least a couple years. iPhone 4G would be so outdated by then.
 
kenypowa said:
4G speed - All 3G capable iPhones are compatible with the upcoming 4G GSM network
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What 4G GSM network? LTE???

AT&T is going LTE for 4G data. They will continue on W-CDMA for the voice until VoLTE is finalized. Our existing phones will work on the voice side, but not the LTE data. Exact same thing for Verizon; their existing phones will work on the voice side, but not for the LTE data.
 
I definitelyvwould love a bigger screen. I'm sure some of this will be alleved by a bettervscreen in general. But seriously at least give me 3.7-4.0 inches
 
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