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Is Apple killing the secondary market for MacBooks?

The lack of a user serviceable battery really gets on my nerves. There was absolutely no need for them to use glue, it was only an anti-consumer move to force expensive battery exchanges.
 
disasterdrone said:
Yep - it's storage that is the real killer. You simply can't get a machine capable of what Apple's old MBPs could hold.
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Storage is replaceable though. You can't put a traditional hard drive in, but I think the resale market for a machine without an SSD is going to tank.
 
goMac said:
Storage is replaceable though. You can't put a traditional hard drive in, but I think the resale market for a machine without an SSD is going to tank.
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You can put an ssd in any pre retina machine for just the price of the drive. Storage is NOT replaceable in the retina mbps.
 
disasterdrone said:
You know, all of that is fine, but the argument that YOU don't need it, or that essentially people should use desk-bound desktop replacements if they need that is just nonsense.
Apple is getting out of the market for people who want laptops with a lot of storage. I could now put 4tb of storage in my MBP as and when I need that. If you don't need that, fine - buy a tablet or an rMBP. For those of us who do we're forced to look elsewhere.
I'm sure those of us who want this are not as lucrative as the folks who value form factor more than storage.
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Its not black and white (i.e. google docs or 4TB), there are plenty of users for who the current 500-1000GB capacity represents plenty of capacity...
 
simonsi said:
Its not black and white (i.e. google docs or 4TB), there are plenty of users for who the current 500-1000GB capacity represents plenty of capacity...
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Yes - there are plenty - my point is simply that Apple is turning its back on people who need more. In the past it was possible to add it, now it's not. Those who have more demanding needs are left out in the cold.
 
disasterdrone said:
Yes - there are plenty - my point is simply that Apple is turning its back on people who need more. In the past it was possible to add it, now it's not. Those who have more demanding needs are left out in the cold.
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But the cost of providing for the few is increasingly being born by the many in $ and reliability.

Rising values of 2010/11/12 MBPs anyone? :) I'll be keeping my 2011 for the foreseeable...
 
disasterdrone said:
Oh boy! A maximum of 480GB for $500! That's. Erm. Oh I don't know, I just don't know how to explain to you that some people have serious storage needs.
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Which again goes back to the conversation about SSDs vs. hard drives.

Your problem isn't that the MBP's storage isn't upgradable, it's that you want a hard disk. Yeah, the new MBP's don't support hard disks, but I don't think that's going to hurt the secondary market on them.
 
goMac said:
Which again goes back to the conversation about SSDs vs. hard drives.

Your problem isn't that the MBP's storage isn't upgradable, it's that you want a hard disk. Yeah, the new MBP's don't support hard disks, but I don't think that's going to hurt the secondary market on them.
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You know, that's really not it. I would probably pay the SSD price if I could get a retina machine with 2tb of storage. But I can't, because apple have eliminated that ability for an ext a 1/16 inch off the case width. Even if I could do it, paying $2000 for what should be a $150 upgrade is galling.
I need a serious amount of storage, Apple has removed any ability to get that in their new models.
 
goMac said:
Yeah, RAM sucks. But just max it out at purchase time. It's not that much more expensive.
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MacBooks seem to max out at 16 GB of RAM. It's sad that they don't offer a 32 GB option like some premium Windows based machines.

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disasterdrone said:
Oh boy! A maximum of 480GB for $500! That's. Erm. Oh I don't know, I just don't know how to explain to you that some people have serious storage needs.
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I could get a Samsung 240 EVO 500 GB SSD for $280. It's too bad Apple didn't use a standard connection.
 
disasterdrone said:
You know, that's really not it. I would probably pay the SSD price if I could get a retina machine with 2tb of storage. But I can't, because apple have eliminated that ability for an ext a 1/16 inch off the case width. Even if I could do it, paying $2000 for what should be a $150 upgrade is galling.
I need a serious amount of storage, Apple has removed any ability to get that in their new models.
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Do you always need constant access to terabytes of data?

Do external drives not work for you?
 
osx11 said:
Do you always need constant access to terabytes of data?

Do external drives not work for you?
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As I've explained, I don't constantly need access to it, but it's hard for me to predict at any given time what I will need access to. I often work on assignment out of client offices, and having all my media assets available is very convenient. I don't like to be constantly shuffling stuff on and off external backups.
Having it all on internal drives greatly simplifies backing up.
Also, having a christmas tree of external drives completely negates any form factor / weight savings from eliminating internal storage.
 
disasterdrone said:
As I've explained, I don't constantly need access to it, but it's hard for me to predict at any given time what I will need access to. I often work on assignment out of client offices, and having all my media assets available is very convenient. I don't like to be constantly shuffling stuff on and off external backups.
Having it all on internal drives greatly simplifies backing up.
Also, having a christmas tree of external drives completely negates any form factor / weight savings from eliminating internal storage.
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It's obvious that Apple doesn't make any products for your needs.
 
kelon111 said:
It's obvious that Apple doesn't make any products for your needs.
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They used to, and potentially I could live with the 13inch screen on the cMBP if I had to, but largely, for the last six months they have stopped. I'm hopeful that in the future they might again.
 
disasterdrone said:
They used to, and potentially I could live with the 13inch screen on the cMBP if I had to, but largely, for the last six months they have stopped. I'm hopeful that in the future they might again.
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The best and most likely future for you is that the Apple SSD form factor shrinks further allowing thin/light and large SSD to converge, then you may see a 2TB SSD MBA perhaps? Or the SSD may become upgradeable??

Equally external drives will continue to shrink, I have a 1TB that has a form factor 2.5x7mm which is the same as my 18mth old 500GB, externals will also be an option for you. I think you need to allow for carrying some data in your briefcase/backpack etc - still with you even though not in the MBP case in the meantime.
 
simonsi said:
The best and most likely future for you is that the Apple SSD form factor shrinks further allowing thin/light and large SSD to converge, then you may see a 2TB SSD MBA perhaps? Or the SSD may become upgradeable??

Equally external drives will continue to shrink, I have a 1TB that has a form factor 2.5x7mm which is the same as my 18mth old 500GB, externals will also be an option for you. I think you need to allow for carrying some data in your briefcase/backpack etc - still with you even though not in the MBP case in the meantime.
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I think you're right about SSDs continuing to shrink and get cheaper, I'm sure there will come a time when 2tb SSDs are normal and affordable. I worry that by then data needs will also have ballooned. I'm not shifting to the christmas tree approach for storage, it's too clumsy and risky for me. I'll shift to another manufacturer before I do that. Still, I should get 4-5 years from my new cMBP, so we'll see.
 
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