Is camera capture sound effect skeuomorphism?

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  1. Virinprew macrumors 6502

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    First world problem, I know it but...
    Is camera capture sound effect considered skeuomorphism? It seems kind of normal now. What do you think?
     
  2. cyks macrumors 68020

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    Yes, it is. There is no reason for the sound other than familiarity to how cameras used to operate.

    Now, why does it matter?
     
  3. overanalyzer macrumors 6502a

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    By definition, yes. There's nothing intrinsically bad about using skeuomorphism in design, though. In some cases it provides for the most intuitive possible user experience. Using it for no reason except to use it or avoiding it for no reason except to avoid it are equally problematic approaches.
     
  4. BlaqkAudio macrumors 6502

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    False. It also alerts others that a picture is being taken. iPhones sold in Japan make the shutter sound even when the mute switch is used in order to deter voyeurism. In Korea, they even made a law mandating audible shutter sounds. A similar law was proposed in the US in 2009, but it didn't pass.
     
  5. cyks macrumors 68020

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    If they simply wanted any an audible sound, they could have used any other beep or tone.

    They chose (and continue to use) that particular sound is BECAUSE it is how cameras used to sound.
     
  6. BlaqkAudio macrumors 6502

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    That's the point. If you hear a camera shutter, you automatically know someone is taking a picture of something.
     
  7. cyks macrumors 68020

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    Glad we agree, but then I don't understand the reason for the "False." since that's what I had said.
     
  8. rorschach macrumors 68020

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    Yes it is. The shutter doesn't make that sound; it's a recording.

    Skeuomorphs can be functional or they can be purely decorative. The shutter sound effect does serve a purpose but it's also a skeuomorph because it's an imitation of a feature of another form of camera.
     
  9. MozMan68 macrumors 68000

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    Because you said there was no other reason...
     
  10. zbarvian macrumors 68010

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    Yes, but that's good. I hate the bad rep skeumorphism is getting all of a sudden. People don't really understand it's relevance and use in design, and just automatically assume it's old-fashioned and tacky.
     
  11. Stella macrumors 604

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    Some photo manufacturers add the camera noise deliberately - for privacy purposes: can't take a photo without a noise being emitted.

    It was considered bad practice for UI purposes. In the early days of home computing skeumorphism was used so people could recognize a Calendar in an application, but as people became more computer literate this was seen as bad practice as for one reason - it destroyed the consistency of a UI. Much like what Calendar and AddressBook has done to OSX. Apple have never been able to follow its own OSX UI guidelines while expecting others to do so.

    Mind you, Apple was always inconsistent about the look of its UI.
     
  12. cyks macrumors 68020

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    ...for anyone to use that particular sound.
     
  13. takeshi74 macrumors 601

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    Always consider the source. Many people find it easier to view the world in simple black-and-white terms without thinking. Few things in reality are all good or all bad. Typically there are good and bad examples of any given thing (one or the other may outnumber the alternative).

    That said, design's a subjective thing and people are certainly entitled to their opinions.
     
  14. jpetticrew macrumors 6502a

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    The is SUPPOSED to sound like an old-timey camera, but I've never heard a camera make the ka-choo-ee sound the iPhone camera makes...
     
  15. APlotdevice macrumors 68040

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    But most people would probably just think the beep was a text message or alert. The camera sound is quite distinct and easily understood by almost anyone.
     
  16. mcneilis macrumors member

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    The sleep/wake button sounds slightly similar to a camera, so I'm more concerned that people in public places think I'm taking a photo of them when I'm mainly just putting my phone to sleep. :)
     
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    :eek: WELL. I wouldn't have thought of that. Also, I'm torn between whether or not I want my phone to make a noise if its muted, regardless of what I'm doing, and curbing voyeurism.
     
  19. Gutwrench macrumors 65816

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    I really like this. I want to know if a girl snaps my picture while I'm in Korea, China, Japan, or Singapore so I can mosey on over and say, "So, how are yyyoooouuuu doin'?"
     
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    I would bet most people didn't know this word existed before they read it on macrumors lol.;)
     
  21. lunarworks macrumors 6502a

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    Is any non-beep computer alert sound "skeumorphism"? Yes. Yes it is.

    Everyone's humping the hell out of that word lately. The concept of skeumorphism isn't inherently bad. It's all about the context and implementation. There's a vast ocean of difference between a tacky stitched leather interface and a subtle camera click.
     
  22. Virinprew thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Yes, I started this thread so that someone will get the point.
     
  23. ggmissmolly macrumors regular

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    No, it is feedback. You could argue that it mimics the shutter sound and therefore is, but my Nikon beeps.
     
  24. MozMan68 macrumors 68000

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    Now that Apple makes it easier to capture pics from video, what stops someone in Asia from just starting a video capture with the "beep beep" looking one direction or away from someone and then doing allnof their "voyeurism?"
     
  25. jabingla2810, Dec 17, 2012
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    Yes it is, and it is an example of skeuomorphism done well.

    It makes sense.

    It’s not first world problems, it isn’t a problem at all, I know kids today like to say skeuomorphism because it’s a big buzz word at the moment, but it isn’t inherently bad.

    Apple in particular has used it to excess in recent years, and in some cases it has been to the detriment of functionality. However it isn’t always the case, it’s a question of taste.

    My mum for example, would probably appreciate the address book on Mac looking like a real address book, but to us geeks we find it obnoxious and confusing, because we have different expectations to how software works.
     

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