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Hi all, a volunteering group I'm part of recently switched to Discord to stay in touch & organise work. I've been able to download it just fine on my phone, which is great for on the go but I'd like to also have it on my MacBook as it's easier to take part in faster-moving chats with a full keyboard.

The problem is that while there's a button to download it for MacOS on the discord website, clicking on it doesn't open a page on the App Store, nor am I able to find it in the store by searching manually. Should I take this to mean that it's ill-advised to download the app version? Ie, because of how in Settings under Security, the most secure setting (& recommended) is to stick to apps offered through the App Store - that's what I'm referring to.

I have used the browser version, and it's okay for the most part, it just has some glitchy behaviours like sending up hard-to-dismiss popup prompts to turn on the mic, which I don't need to since honestly the group mostly uses text.
 
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heh, it is unusual to me! I'm not super invested in having *the absolute best-suited* app for each and every use, but I'm also pretty security-conscious so I prioritise that. So discord now is the first app I've had a real need for that isn't a Mac store app.

Do you know why it isn't please? Maybe if you don't know about discord specifically, maybe you can make an educated guess based on general principles of why some apps aren't in the App Store, particularly what reasons may exist for legitimate apps to not be on there (because presumably some apps aren't on there because they are super dodgy & got rejected). I would appreciate this info if you have it as it would help me decide how to proceed!
 
I have to admit that I find the OP question a bit strange.

It's as if they only ever used IOS, where all apps do indeed come from the App Store.

On any traditional computer (macOS, Windows), most apps are downloaded outside the Windows/Mac store.

Am i wrong?
 
heh, it is unusual to me! I'm not super invested in having *the absolute best-suited* app for each and every use, but I'm also pretty security-conscious so I prioritise that. So discord now is the first app I've had a real need for that isn't a Mac store app.

Do you know why it isn't please? Maybe if you don't know about discord specifically, maybe you can make an educated guess based on general principles of why some apps aren't in the App Store, particularly what reasons may exist for legitimate apps to not be on there (because presumably some apps aren't on there because they are super dodgy & got rejected). I would appreciate this info if you have it as it would help me decide how to proceed!
No idea about discord app, but quite a few developers choose not to distribute their apps in the App Store due to not wanting to lose a noticeable percentage of revenue to Apple, and/or wanting to have their app functioning (still legitimately) outside of Apple imposed sandbox limitations.

If installing apps from outside the App Store then make sure you download them from the developer’s official website.

There are many great apps only available outside of the App Store.
 
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I'm also pretty security-conscious so I prioritise that

If you're concerned about security, it's probably best to only use the browser-based service. An additional step you could take is to use multiple browsers on your computer. Download a second widely-used browser (for example, if you're a Safari user, install Firefox) and reserve one of your browsers for use with frequently visited, trusted websites only. That way potentially insecure websites can be isolated from more sensitive browsing.

Personally, I only use the browser version of Zoom for security reasons. If you're interested in details, it's easy to find lots of information about the Zoom client's flaws using any search website. If I faced a situation similar to yours, I would only install Discord as a last resort for both security and personal reasons.

Do you know why it isn't

MacRumors restricts political discussions, so I encourage you to use a search engine to find out more about Discord's user base, the type of content that is hosted on Discord in addition to its original focus on gamers, and its role in current events.
 
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Self-hosted app downloads are normal, have been normal since before App Stores started existing (how else would people get their apps), and App Stores have plenty of drawbacks for devs like fees and restrictions.
 
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So discord now is the first app I've had a real need for that isn't a Mac store app.

It's not necessarily a red flag that it's not on the App Store. Google Chrome is the most used browser (last time I checked) and you can't install it on your Mac from the App Store.
 
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I have to admit that I find the OP question a bit strange.

It's as if they only ever used IOS, where all apps do indeed come from the App Store.

On any traditional computer (macOS, Windows), most apps are downloaded outside the Windows/Mac store.

Am i wrong?
I'm not making any assumptions about the OP's age or experience, but I'd like to share my experience.

I teach physics at a University and many of the new students I encounter have never owned a computer before. They've used computers set up by their school, but never had to actually buy and set one up themselves before. Growing up in the 2010's means that an iPhone and iPad is all they've ever needed and used. Even simple tasks live saving a file on a local file system is alien for many of them (as aposed to things like Google Drive or iCloud). Now, imagine trying to teach command line tools and Python programing along side physics under these circumstances...
 
Sticking to apps from the App Store isn't a bad thing. It's a security measure. It's not always possible of course. I have Discord on my Mac, but for some reason I think it's a shady app. Not sure why, it just has this vibe.
 
Sticking to apps from the App Store isn't a bad thing. It's a security measure. It's not always possible of course. I have Discord on my Mac, but for some reason I think it's a shady app. Not sure why, it just has this vibe.
It's an Electron app and they never really feel right to me. It's basically just a stripped down version of Chrome stuck on a single domain.
 
@roisin and mac On my Mac I usually just use the browser version of Discord (discord.com/channels). It loads faster than the app, which boots up a whole instance of Chromium each time, and has 95% of the app’s functionality, with the exception of some hiccups with things like screen sharing in calls.
 
Ie, because of how in Settings under Security, the most secure setting (& recommended) is to stick to apps offered through the App Store - that's what I'm referring to.
Installing macOS apps from the App Store only is not "recommended" by Apple, although I'm sure they'd prefer for you to because it benefits the Mac App Store's pitiful usage statistics and, in many cases, their revenue. As numerous scam apps on iOS have demonstrated, expecting App Review to keep you safe is a fool's errand.

I'd go so far as to say that most apps on the Mac App Store are of limited functionality if not outright garbage because Apple's terms for Mac developers simply aren't competitive when compared to direct distribution. As others have said, a lot of truly great Mac software is not and never has been available through the Mac App Store.

The best advice, as always, is to do your own research into the terms and privacy policies of the software that you choose to install and use. In Discord's case, either use the browser version (with some limitations) or install directly from Discord’s official website.
 
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Because it's mainly used by kids, but it has a 17+ rating https://support.discord.com/hc/en-u...cent-Update-Apple-App-Store-Age-Rating-Change
So the dmg is a way of avoiding parental restrictions on macOS.
Check the downloaded dmg on https://www.virustotal.com/gui/home/upload
Not sure what dmg means exactly, but the link makes sense! thanks.
I have to admit that I find the OP question a bit strange.

It's as if they only ever used IOS, where all apps do indeed come from the App Store.

On any traditional computer (macOS, Windows), most apps are downloaded outside the Windows/Mac store.

Am i wrong?

You'd be surprised

You kinda are leonremi! Check my join date, lol

I'm just comparatively more security-conscious, while also at the same time not being interested in tinkering with a system or trying on a ton of new tools. I just want stuff to work straight from the gate & then to get out of my way, w/ as little investment as possible on my part in time & thinking, whether upfront or for maintenance, while still maintaining the highest possible degree of security (which tbh is itself in part bc I really can't be bothered w/ tinkering & fixing, I just kinda conceptualise good security as part of basic performance).
No idea about discord app, but quite a few developers choose not to distribute their apps in the App Store due to not wanting to lose a noticeable percentage of revenue to Apple, and/or wanting to have their app functioning (still legitimately) outside of Apple imposed sandbox limitations.

If installing apps from outside the App Store then make sure you download them from the developer’s official website.

There are many great apps only available outside of the App Store.
I'll keep that in mind about the official website! It's looking much less likely that I'll DL discord on desktop now, but still good to know for future reference.

The App Store is pretty annoying. Tons of stuff just seems low-quality AF, & I'd love some more powerful tools to separate the wheat from the chaff. I hardly ever find apps by browsing it, mostly I just research & come looking for something specific.
If you're concerned about security, it's probably best to only use the browser-based service. An additional step you could take is to use multiple browsers on your computer. Download a second widely-used browser (for example, if you're a Safari user, install Firefox) and reserve one of your browsers for use with frequently visited, trusted websites only. That way potentially insecure websites can be isolated from more sensitive browsing.

Personally, I only use the browser version of Zoom for security reasons. If you're interested in details, it's easy to find lots of information about the Zoom client's flaws using any search website. If I faced a situation similar to yours, I would only install Discord as a last resort for both security and personal reasons.



MacRumors restricts political discussions, so I encourage you to use a search engine to find out more about Discord's user base, the type of content that is hosted on Discord in addition to its original focus on gamers, and its role in current events.
That first § is a really great idea, honestly, & somehow it's one I've never come across before in 'how to improve security' sorts of guides. So, thanks.

Yeah I'd heard of the problems with Zoom, back at the start of the pandemic. I don't bother with it unless someone specifically requests it & I feel like the person is worth talking to lol.

As to your last pt, I believe I know what you are alluding to. Part of what has made me grow more security conscious is that I follow some of the related current affairs issues.
Self-hosted app downloads are normal, have been normal since before App Stores started existing (how else would people get their apps), and App Stores have plenty of drawbacks for devs like fees and restrictions.
Yes, I've heard of the objections about fees & restrictions, but admit I thought this was of greater concern to small, indie developers due to a programmer friend's experience.
It's not necessarily a red flag that it's not on the App Store. Google Chrome is the most used browser (last time I checked) and you can't install it on your Mac from the App Store.
Wow, did not realise this! So yeah, good to know and makes a lot of sense.

I'm not making any assumptions about the OP's age or experience, but I'd like to share my experience.

I teach physics at a University and many of the new students I encounter have never owned a computer before. They've used computers set up by their school, but never had to actually buy and set one up themselves before. Growing up in the 2010's means that an iPhone and iPad is all they've ever needed and used. Even simple tasks live saving a file on a local file system is alien for many of them (as aposed to things like Google Drive or iCloud). Now, imagine trying to teach command line tools and Python programing along side physics under these circumstances...
Wow, that's wild! There is so much creative stuff you can do with a real laptop that I don't think you can do with an iPad, though, these kids have been missing out!
No, there's nothing wrong with it.
thanks!
Sticking to apps from the App Store isn't a bad thing. It's a security measure. It's not always possible of course. I have Discord on my Mac, but for some reason I think it's a shady app. Not sure why, it just has this vibe.
Lol, I think I know what you mean, & I think it might be close to what KaliYoni says above! And yeah, I'm like: I don't want any darn trouble! I just want to get stuff done, & go home. (lol, figuratively)
It's an Electron app and they never really feel right to me. It's basically just a stripped down version of Chrome stuck on a single domain.
I think I understood the pronouns & prepositions in this! lol
@roisin and mac On my Mac I usually just use the browser version of Discord (discord.com/channels). It loads faster than the app, which boots up a whole instance of Chromium each time, and has 95% of the app’s functionality, with the exception of some hiccups with things like screen sharing in calls.
This is good to know, about loading faster! This pretty much decides it for me, the last missing bit - I'm sticking with the browser version. On the bright side the phone app seems weirdly more user-friendly than the slack one (they had slack before), so I should be fine.

Thanks all! It's nice to see this forum still ticking along & giving so much good & relevant info.
 
The discord app on IOS is censored, you can’t access certain channels. Since you can install programs outside the app store on macOS, they don’t need to censor their app.
 
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Installing macOS apps from the App Store only is not "recommended" by Apple, although I'm sure they'd prefer for you to because it benefits the Mac App Store's pitiful usage statistics and, in many cases, their revenue. As numerous scam apps on iOS have demonstrated, expecting App Review to keep you safe is a fool's errand.

I'd go so far as to say that most apps on the Mac App Store are of limited functionality if not outright garbage because Apple's terms for Mac developers simply aren't competitive when compared to direct distribution. As others have said, a lot of truly great Mac software is not and never has been available through the Mac App Store.

The best advice, as always, is to do your own research into the terms and privacy policies of the software that you choose to install and use. In Discord's case, either use the browser version (with some limitations) or install directly from Discord’s official website.
I think it's phrased as 'recommended' under Settings. But I could be wrong, & am fully too lazy to just check rn!

I'm weirdly both surprised and not to hear that there's been scam apps found in the App Store. Every time I browse there seems to be so much that just looks sketch, but I assumed it was just not for me. I don't think I've gotten an app from browsing more than once or twice, though.
 
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Not sure what dmg means exactly, but the link makes sense! thanks.
The Discord.dmg downloaded from https://discord.com/download
And they don’t have to pay a cut to apple either.
They pay anyway for a developer certificate
Discord.dmg.png
 
The discord app on IOS is censored, you can’t access certain channels. Since you can install programs outside the app store on macOS, they don’t need to censor their app.

It's not locked out permanently, you just have to toggle the flag from the browser or desktop app, like several other apps.
 
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Not counting unofficial app stores, Mac OS X, now just referred to as macOS, has existed since 2001 and only had the App Store in a later update to Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard in 2011 while Windows only started to have its own app store when Windows 8 was released in 2012... So prior to the app store existence on Windows and macOS, you only download the apps/programs from the developer websites and some websites that have download links pointing to the official websites...
 
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Not counting unofficial app stores, Mac OS X, now just referred to as macOS, has existed since 2001 and only had the App Store in a later update to Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard in 2011 while Windows only started to have its own app store when Windows 8 was released in 2012... So prior to the app store existence on Windows and macOS, you only download the apps/programs from the developer websites and some websites that have download links pointing to the official websites...
It's more the possibility that once app stores exist, software not available through those becomes dodgy.
 
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