Is glassgate REALLY the next antennagate?

[wirelessmacuser]

Wow, you and I interpreted that press conference completely differently. I think the gist of it is, if you are having trouble, here's a free fix. If you are angry, return the phone for a refund. I don't catch any "we don't care about you" in there.

We are talking about Apple. A premier maker of (usually) great products. It's well documented that Jobs knew the antenna was sub par well over one full year before the phone was released. A high quality product should not be shipped with such a significant design fault. Giving away a free case is a stupid patch... "here, cover up this phone.

Oh.. and ignore all the bragging we did about how nice it looks. You have two choices now. Carry the phone and enjoy it's looks but it wont' work right, or cover it up and it will do what it was supposed to do in the first place. So I ask .. how is that Not_ telling the customer tough _____?

Angry doesn't even come into the picture. I'm not angry, I simply want what I paid for. I don't want another phone.. I am a hard core Apple enthusiast of many years. It's another reason I find this so unacceptable, because I _know_ that Apple can build good products.

It's all quite simple really...

 

[-aggie-]

So that correlates to mean that every iPhone 4 made has zero problems as well? Obviously many iPhone 4s have no problems. But its the people that come on here insisting (not saying you personally) that its all made up that that have a one track mind.

Your original response has been modified. Your original response “correlates to mean" that all iPhones have problems. Mine doesn’t have any problems. My response doesn’t "correlate to mean" any more than that. So, who really has the one-track mind?

 

[spiderman0616]

I think Glassgate is kinda funny actually. If the biggest fault you can now find with the i4 is the glass breaking.... well I think that says it all. Death grip has more or less blown over making it a non-issue, yellow spots are rarely heard of now, proximity sensor still a problem for some, but mostly fixed.

Every phone model has it's own set of problems. Pick the ones you can live with. For me, the antenna thing was never an issue, and I carry my phone naked. My first i4 had some yellow spots and Apple replaced it. My 2nd i4 had the proximity sensor problem, Apple replaced that one two days later. My 3rd seems more or less problem free. If you think i4 has issues, you should see the issues list with the new BB Torch, everything from loose parts to BIS not working to sleep button pressing itself and more. Most of these problems have yet to be addressed. I know three guys who bought Torches and returned them in less than a week, all three because of different defects/problems.

Yep--and how highly publicized is the Blackberry stuff? Almost not at all. The Apple stuff is only magnified under a microscope because it's Apple. The antennagate thing was definitely way more of an issue, but honestly, the iPhone 4 retains call connections in places where my last AT&T phone always dropped the call, even when I have zero bars. I have also not been able to recreate the death grip issue on either iPhone 4 I have had (I messed up my first one and they gave me a new one) and haven't seen it happen on any of my friends' iPhone 4s either. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It just means it's been magnified unnecessarily.

 

[wirelessmacuser]

Okay look, I agree that the i4 has more issues than any other iPhone to date. BUT you have the ability to exchange it if yours has a fault.

I did, four times. Each new iPhone I got had a least one major fault. I'm not a picky person, I'm not OCD, I'm not returning phones cause they are not cosmetically perfect, I'm returning phones that either won't hold a call, or drop it because of the proximity sensor, and on and on.

If it's something you don't want then you don't buy it. I don't like that the phone has dual glass panels from a durability perspective but I also really like the dual glass too. You don't want a plastic phone or car until you do something that breaks it where the plastic wouldn't have.

If I didn't want it I wouldn't have bought it in the first place.

I want what I paid for .. a good quality Apple iPHone.. I've had every iPhone to date and they've all been good. My 3GS was far better than my iP4, but I'm not going backwards and getting another 3Gs with it's smaller capacity. Only because I trusted Apple after 10 years of being a loyal customer, did I sell my 3Gs before the iPhone4 shipped. Had I know I would have kept my perfect, original 3Gs and passed on this version.

 

[spiderman0616]

Every phone model has problems. The most common ones on i4 are pretty minor compared to others. For example, Oreo affect on Palm Pre, sleep button on BB Torch, GPS in Captivate, non-responsive touch screen if not grounded on Nexus One and many others, the list goes on and on. Comparatively, Glassgate is nonsense. It's glass, it's fragile. If it breaks, take it to Apple and get it fixed.

That's not even why it's nonsense--it's nonsense because he's talking about a problem that hasn't even HAPPENED yet, and now it's being reported as a big problem! So now I'm sure all the people that have broken their phone backs are now convinced that it's apple's fault.

Stupid.

 

[wirelessmacuser]

First, the iPhone 4 is not a botched product, its a great phone. There are as of now 23 iPhone 4s I have registered under my developer profile and not one of them has any sort of problem. If its so "fraught with problems" I'm pretty sure at least one of these phones would have had an issue.

It's a botched product... period. The external antenna is a very poor design created by a company that knows better and is (or used to be) a premier company, thats why I do business with them.

Also did you ever notice people overseas never seem to have the "dropped calls" and such? Ever think its ATT's network?

This finger pointing and blaming AT&T is all crap.

Here is why. I've been a loyal AT&T _and_ Verizon customer for over a decade. I carry a minimum of four (activated) smartphones in my laptop case with me every day. Why is it, I can make a call on my AT&T BlackBerry 9700 and it's crystal clear? Then pull out my iPhone and it drops calls?

All while I'm _parked_ returning client calls? I'm not moving I'm not between cell sites, I work all up and down California much of it by car, and have no problem with my BlackBerry or my Android phones, yet my iPhones drop calls left and right.

I know why, it's Apples choice of chips which is exactly why they work so well overseas. These chips are not optimized for the network _Apple selected_ to do business with. Then they point the finger at AT&T, because Apple is arrogant, always has to be right, never makes a mistake..

The same reason the first thing Steve Jobs did, was point to other phones saying "they all do it". Yeah right. Funny how it was never an issue before. Never. And it still isn't with anything but the iPhone.

 

[spiderman0616]

So to get back on topic--what do you guys think? Will Apple even bother making a statement about this? Will it affect sales? Have any non-iPhone users asked you about this? I'm still the only one in my circle that was even aware of it. I don't think it's going to be a big deal in the end.

 

[wirelessmacuser]

Yep--and how highly publicized is the Blackberry stuff? Almost not at all. The Apple stuff is only magnified under a microscope because it's Apple.

I agree, and do you know why?

Because of Steve Jobs unfettered and very blatant arrogance. His wild claims like the one about the iPad "It's Magical and Revolutionary". Yeah right Steve. The iPad is a good product, but "Magical and Revolutionary" I don't think so. Not even close.

Let's face it, Jobs has pissed off a lot of people in the industry with his shady and very slimy behavior. The only reason he's gotten away with the things he has is the fact that he is a brilliant marketing guy. He makes tons of money which is valued more than people in America. Therefore he can do know wrong.

He violates disclosure _laws_ and hides the fact he has life threatening cancer, goes off to deal with it in complete secrecy, an egregious act that if pulled by any other CEO they would be crucified. Those who _know_ what's truly going on, already know about all of this. It's why there is little true respect for him in the high tech community. There's only the superficial "sucking up" to the master of milking the cash cow he's created.

Now that I've revealed a small bit of what's really going on, I can only imagine the haters that are going to come out of the woodwork to bash this post....

Oh.. and don't forget to call me a troll for posting my opinion in a forum designed for the "specific purpose" of sharing thoughts, opinions and experiences.

After all let's not cloud this with the facts.. I have tens of thousands invested in present and past Apple computers, and other products. That I'm an avid Apple enthusiast has nothing to do with anything... for those who are only here because they are self appointed judges that love to call people names. How juvenile.. ha..ha..ha..

 

[spiderman0616]

I agree, and do you know why?

Because of Steve Jobs unfettered and very blatant arrogance. His wild claims like the one about the iPad "It's Magical and Revolutionary". Yeah right Steve. The iPad is a good product, but "Magical and Revolutionary" I don't think so. Not even close.

Let's face it, Jobs has pissed off a lot of people in the industry with his shady and very slimy behavior. The only reason he's gotten away with the things he has is the fact that he is a brilliant marketing guy. He makes tons of money which is valued more than people in America. Therefore he can do know wrong.

He violates disclosure _laws_ and hides the fact he has life threatening cancer, goes off to deal with it in complete secrecy, an egregious act that if pulled by any other CEO they would be crucified. Those who _know_ what's truly going on, already know about all of this. It's why there is little true respect for him in the high tech community. There's only the superficial "sucking up" to the master of milking the cash cow he's created.

Now that I've revealed a small bit of what's really going on, I can only imagine the haters that are going to come out of the woodwork to bash this post....

Oh.. and don't forget to call me a troll for posting my opinion in a forum designed for the "specific purpose" of sharing thoughts, opinions and experiences.

After all let's not cloud this with the facts.. I have tens of thousands invested in present and past Apple computers, and other products. That I'm an avid Apple enthusiast has nothing to do with anything... for those who are only here because they are self appointed judges that love to call people names. How juvenile.. ha..ha..ha..

See, but I didn't really start this thread to discuss what your opinions are of Apple. I started it to see what people think the effects of glassgate will be. Calm down.

BTW, to everyone else that wants to discuss this calmly---I have noticed that gdgt.com does not want to hear from anyone detracting their story. I put some comments (none of them derogatory or fanboy-ish) on both of Ryan's statements on this issue, and they promptly get deleted.

I also posted on Stuff Magazine's site which claimed that Apple's Bumper case and simple act of removing the phone from your pocket causes the back to shatter. I tried twice to post on their that they completely misrepresented the story on gdgt and they deleted both.

The tech blogs do not want you to say anything about this unless you're saying something that agrees with them. They want this to turn into a big deal.

 

[anjinha]

I'm kind of behind on this but assume this deals with the glass scratching and cracking easily? If so there are countless threads on here people complaining that they have scratches on the their iPhone glass. Obviously these arent huge major problems but they do happen and for people to just deny any problems is ignorant. Its like people saying the Incredibles dont actually have battery issues because their phone doesnt.

It's glass. It breaks, it doesn't matter how strong it is. If you drop it just the right way, it will break. But I haven't seen anything that proves that the iPhone 4 glass breaks/scratches more than the glass in previous iPhones.

Actually I witnessed a friend of mine drop his iPhone 4 5' into concrete. Not even a scratch.

 

[macsrcool1234]

I think its bs.
I still havent seen one case of that glass issue thats been reported.

Exactly, I still haven't seen any cases of cracked iPhones.

I don't know anybody who has cancer, so it must not exist. Right?

Use some basic common sense people. Just because you don't have an issue, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

 

[itsmemuffins]

I don't know anybody who has cancer, so it must not exist. Right?

Use some basic common sense people. Just because you don't have an issue, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

Please post your sources of the back breaking because of a case.

 

[macsrcool1234]

Please post your sources of the back breaking because of a case.

I thought I made my post simple but looks like you still had trouble understanding it.

Read the last sentence again. I did not confirm nor deny the rumor, I just made a point about the other two responses.

 

[itsmemuffins]

I thought I made my post simple but looks like you still had trouble understanding it.

Read the last sentence again. I did not confirm nor deny the rumor, I just made a point about the other two responses.

If you cant show sources how can you prove it exists?

 

[DeathChill]

I agree, and do you know why?

Because of Steve Jobs unfettered and very blatant arrogance. His wild claims like the one about the iPad "It's Magical and Revolutionary". Yeah right Steve. The iPad is a good product, but "Magical and Revolutionary" I don't think so. Not even close.

Let's face it, Jobs has pissed off a lot of people in the industry with his shady and very slimy behavior. The only reason he's gotten away with the things he has is the fact that he is a brilliant marketing guy. He makes tons of money which is valued more than people in America. Therefore he can do know wrong.

Well, the iPad certainly revolutionized the tablet industry so I guess revolutionary is correct. Magical is marketing speak about how Apple feels about it. I sure hope you railed this hard on Red Bull forums about how it doesn't give you wings and they're out to deceive us!

He violates disclosure _laws_ and hides the fact he has life threatening cancer, goes off to deal with it in complete secrecy, an egregious act that if pulled by any other CEO they would be crucified. Those who _know_ what's truly going on, already know about all of this. It's why there is little true respect for him in the high tech community. There's only the superficial "sucking up" to the master of milking the cash cow he's created.

Now that I've revealed a small bit of what's really going on, I can only imagine the haters that are going to come out of the woodwork to bash this post....

Oh.. and don't forget to call me a troll for posting my opinion in a forum designed for the "specific purpose" of sharing thoughts, opinions and experiences.

After all let's not cloud this with the facts.. I have tens of thousands invested in present and past Apple computers, and other products. That I'm an avid Apple enthusiast has nothing to do with anything... for those who are only here because they are self appointed judges that love to call people names. How juvenile.. ha..ha..ha..

I thought that the cancer issue brought up the question of whether or not CEO's should be forced to disclose information like that; I am unaware if it's currently illegal.

I also don't know where you get the idea that no one respects Steve Jobs. He is one of the best CEO's in history and you can spend ten seconds on Google and find many books, articles and statements that agree with that. I am not speaking of his personal character as I don't know him, but as a business man he is amazing.

 

[spiderman0616]

The argument is not whether or not it's happening. Glass breaks whether it's on an iPhone or something else. That's not the point here. The point is whether or not this is happening for the reasons stated in the gdgt.com article and whether or not Apple is going to address it or if they even need to.

So far, there has not been mass complaining about cases breaking phones. The gdgt.com article is trying to get people to think there WILL be lots of problems, so POOF!-----Glassgate!!!

Please post your sources of the back breaking because of a case.

Furthermore, why doesn't Ryan Block have to show sources? Why is the media taking his word on everything and then deciding to create a new scandal?

 

[LapsangSouchong]

Lol not even close. There are waaay more phones with way more problems but those never make the news cause they aren't apple.

I still have yet to see anyone with a legitimate iPhone 4 problem in real life too.

I have had several "legitimate" problems with my Iphone 4. In fact I'm on my fourth Iphone 4. (I had ONE iphone 3GS).

I still love the damned thing, but yes, there are issues. And yes, glass is one of those issues, imho.

 

[indianavtx]

I agree, and do you know why?

Because of Steve Jobs unfettered and very blatant arrogance. His wild claims like the one about the iPad "It's Magical and Revolutionary". Yeah right Steve. The iPad is a good product, but "Magical and Revolutionary" I don't think so. Not even close.

Let's face it, Jobs has pissed off a lot of people in the industry with his shady and very slimy behavior. The only reason he's gotten away with the things he has is the fact that he is a brilliant marketing guy. He makes tons of money which is valued more than people in America. Therefore he can do know wrong.

He violates disclosure _laws_ and hides the fact he has life threatening cancer, goes off to deal with it in complete secrecy, an egregious act that if pulled by any other CEO they would be crucified. Those who _know_ what's truly going on, already know about all of this. It's why there is little true respect for him in the high tech community. There's only the superficial "sucking up" to the master of milking the cash cow he's created.

Now that I've revealed a small bit of what's really going on, I can only imagine the haters that are going to come out of the woodwork to bash this post....

Oh.. and don't forget to call me a troll for posting my opinion in a forum designed for the "specific purpose" of sharing thoughts, opinions and experiences.

After all let's not cloud this with the facts.. I have tens of thousands invested in present and past Apple computers, and other products. That I'm an avid Apple enthusiast has nothing to do with anything... for those who are only here because they are self appointed judges that love to call people names. How juvenile.. ha..ha..ha..

Dude, quit whining and go buy yourself a ****ing Dell. Just have an **** moment.

 

[tactician1016]

Oh.. and don't forget to call me a troll for posting my opinion in a forum designed for the "specific purpose" of sharing thoughts, opinions and experiences.

No, I'm calling you a troll because you are deliberately making inflammatory remarks.
As for the OP: Thank you for trying to keep the thread sane. I respect that.
As for the glass thing: I don't have an iPhone 4, but the reports seem fairly minor to me.

 

[spiderman0616]

http://www.beatweek.com/news/7139-i...m-on-heels-of-verizon-iphone-nice-try-geeks./

'nuff said I guess. I wish more "journalists" were looking at it this way, but it doesn't generate enough site traffic to say there really isn't an issue here.

 

[Irish Rose]

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I read this the other day, and it seems like a load of crap to me. My iPhone4 is perfect....

 

[jmmtn4aj]

It isn't unreasonable to judge a phone as popular and with as much hype as the iPhone 4 against higher standards. Other phones might have numerous problems of their own, more than the iPhone in fact, but the iPhone's strength has always been the quality associated with Apple concentrating on 1 phone model at a time. It is better than RIM's or Nokia's offerings no doubt, but question is could it be even better still.

 

[iAmYou]

No. It's up to you to protect the things you buy, not the manufacturer.

Are you crazy? People taking personal responsibility. What a concept.

 

[greygray]

People can't stop complaining. The first iPhone's back was aluminium, people complained of poor reception. The 3G and 3GS had a plastic back, people complained of cracks. And now the iPhone 4 has all these backlash. What's next for the iPhone 5's back? Diamond?

 

[asleep]

Gorilla glass = FAIL

My 3G had no scratchs with no case when was retired. iP4 has multiple scratches in a few months. Pffft.