Is HDR10 on the new AppleTV 4K (2022) much better than the AppleTV 4K (2021) in regards to a SAMSUNG 4K TV?

[HappyDude20]

I have a Samsung 4K TV, specifically NU6900 model at 55 inch.

I heard the new 2022 AppleTV 4K supports HDR10 while the 2021 AppleTV 4K does not.

I’m wondering what’s the big difference and the big deal in regards to this.

I ask cause I just purchased the 2021 version and am hoping am not gonna be missing out on too much.

 

[Sheepish-Lord]

Samsung doesn’t support dolby vision so it’s their answer to that but arguably isn’t as good as dolby vision still.

HDR10 vs HDR10+ vs Dolby Vision: What's the Difference?

After content is color-graded in HDR during the final steps of the post-production process, colorists have three primary HDR formats to choose from to deliver their final vision to consumers: HDR10, Dolby Vision, and HDR10+.

www.rtings.com

 

[shakopeemn]

I have a Samsung 4K TV, specifically NU6900 model at 55 inch.

I heard the new 2022 AppleTV 4K supports HDR10 while the 2021 AppleTV 4K does not.

I’m wondering what’s the big difference and the big deal in regards to this.

I ask cause I just purchased the 2021 version and am hoping am not gonna be missing out on too much.

I have the Samsung QN90A and am asking myself the same thing, do the 2022 ATV upgrade?

 

[HappyDude20]

Samsung doesn’t support dolby vision so it’s their answer to that but arguably isn’t as good as dolby vision still.

HDR10 vs HDR10+ vs Dolby Vision: What's the Difference?

After content is color-graded in HDR during the final steps of the post-production process, colorists have three primary HDR formats to choose from to deliver their final vision to consumers: HDR10, Dolby Vision, and HDR10+.

www.rtings.com

If all goes to plan I’ll buy the 2022 version in a few months, either using the 2021 version to help fund the 2022 purchase or may just keep both and get another 4K TV.

I’ve been pleasantly surprised by this 55 inch Samsung 4K TV for only $349 that I’ve had since 2020; I think it’s the 2019 model.

Prices keep going down and my local Best Buy even has a Hisense 4K 75 inch for $450 at the moment. Also I see a Vizio 4K 65 inch for $329.

The only downside to my current Samsung 4K is I wish it were brighter. But that’s a non issue when watching it during evening/night time.

I have the Samsung QN90A and am asking myself the same thing, do the 2022 ATV upgrade?

I think the point of this thread is indeed if the HDR10 is worth getting the 2022 model vs the 2021 model.

However I personally need Thread as I’ll be upgrading all my home security cameras to HomeKit and away from this contract that is super expensive and terribly unreliable.

 

[solq]

I have a Samsung 4K TV, specifically NU6900 model at 55 inch.

I heard the new 2022 AppleTV 4K supports HDR10 while the 2021 AppleTV 4K does not.

I’m wondering what’s the big difference and the big deal in regards to this.

I ask cause I just purchased the 2021 version and am hoping am not gonna be missing out on too much.

The new format is HDR10+, not HDR10 which was already supported along with Dolby Vision.

So yes this is better than HDR10 and your Samsung HDTV would be able to take advantage of it, I'm just not aware of HDR10+ content on iTunes and Apple TV. Look out for that, I guess.

 

[Mellofello808]

If all goes to plan I’ll buy the 2022 version in a few months, either using the 2021 version to help fund the 2022 purchase or may just keep both and get another 4K TV.

I’ve been pleasantly surprised by this 55 inch Samsung 4K TV for only $349 that I’ve had since 2020; I think it’s the 2019 model.

Prices keep going down and my local Best Buy even has a Hisense 4K 75 inch for $450 at the moment. Also I see a Vizio 4K 65 inch for $329.

The only downside to my current Samsung 4K is I wish it were brighter. But that’s a non issue when watching it during evening/night time.


I think the point of this thread is indeed if the HDR10 is worth getting the 2022 model vs the 2021 model.

However I personally need Thread as I’ll be upgrading all my home security cameras to HomeKit and away from this contract that is super expensive and terribly unreliable.

You would be much better served taking the money you are setting aside, and upgrading to a higher end TV.

You will not be able to really see the difference with a entry level edge lit TV.

Black Friday is around the corner. See if you can swing a TV with local dimming, or an OLED.

 

[HappyDude20]

You would be much better served taking the money you are setting aside, and upgrading to a higher end TV.

You will not be able to really see the difference with a entry level edge lit TV.

Black Friday is around the corner. See if you can swing a TV with local dimming, or an OLED.

I agree I had no idea earlier that my tv was edge lit

Now I read up in a Vizio 4K that is lit by mini led, same as the 12.9 inch iPad Pro and it’s going for only $649. That’s a good deal.

 

[SRLMJ23]

So question for you all...is HDR10+ better than Dolby Vision? I am very tech savvy, but not really with this stuff.

I have a Samsung S95B 55", Samsung Q80A 55", an LG C1 55", and a Toshiba M550 Fire TV 55" (which just to sneak this in, the Toshiba actually puts out an *amazing* picture, has Full Array Local Dimming, HDR, Dolby Vision/Dolby Atmos, best speakers I have ever heard on a TV and more..and was only $413.00 at Best Buy - I point this out because everyone knows about the Samsungs, LG's, Sony's etc. but this Toshiba is not right up there with my other TV's but damn close and for people on a budget...it is a steal! I bought it for a room that is not used quite as much so no need to spend tons of money, I mean this Toshiba was literally a quarter the price of my Samsung S95B.) sorry for that little tangent, but just wanted to let people know.

So anyway, I stupidly just bought another Apple TV 4K right before the new ones were announced. I am usually right up on what Apple is going to release and what not, but just have been so busy. I am hoping Best Buy will allow me to bring this one back, and get the new ATV4K with WiFi+Ethernet, however, being Best Buy they will probably make it hard on me, or not allow it. The ATV4K (2021) is out of it return window, however, the new Apple TV was announced during it, and you cannot even get them in store until tomorrow or it would have only been a couple days past the 14 day window...hoping I can work something out with them.

My Samsung S95 is my main TV, however if I do get this new ATV4K (if Best Buy helps or I eventually have to buy it as a Christmas present to myself, haha) will I see that much of a difference? @solq made a good point that there is not much HDR10+ content on iTunes or Apple TV period (along with HBO Max, which from what I have watched on there is mostly Dolby Vision) but tons of Dolby Vision content. Obviously if I can exchange it, I'll be happy...even have $25 left over for something...new HDMI cable...trust me, I will find something I do not need in Best Buy.

So you TV guys, that know all this...please let me know if it going to be worth the hassle with Best Buy to even try to exchange up to the new ATV4K, or should I just wait a little bit, or am I good with the 2021 version for my main TV, which is the Samsung S95B? All the other TV's have the 2021 ATV4K...it is amazing little package, in my opinion.

Thanks in advance, and sorry for getting a little off topic there!

 

[SRLMJ23]

I agree I had no idea earlier that my tv was edge lit

Now I read up in a Vizio 4K that is lit by mini led, same as the 12.9 inch iPad Pro and it’s going for only $649. That’s a good deal.

I mentioned it my post below you, but check out the Toshiba M550 Fire TV. Has most of the features the high end TV's have, like HDR, Dolby Vision/Dolby Atmos, DTS HD, Full Array backlighting, native 120hz panel, hand free control, and most importantly, an amazing picture...truly shocked me, and more. When it originally came out last year it was close to $1,000, I got it late summer of this year for $413.00 (that includes tax) at Best Buy so if you can find one now, probably even cheaper, definitely put it in your list. Like I said in my other post, best speakers and sound I have ever heard on a TV as far as built in speakers. If you need to upgrade, that TV is definitely worth a look!

Watch some reviews on YouTube, or read up on some other sites. I am a Samsung guy, but sometimes a TV comes along that makes you break from your brand, like the LG C1 I have. I'll be honest, the Toshiba could be used as my main TV, would you notice the difference...absolutely, however, not near as much as you would think!

Best of luck with your TV hunting!

 

[HappyDude20]

So question for you all...is HDR10+ better than Dolby Vision? I am very tech savvy, but not really with this stuff.

I have a Samsung S95B 55", Samsung Q80A 55", an LG C1 55", and a Toshiba M550 Fire TV 55" (which just to sneak this in, the Toshiba actually puts out an *amazing* picture, has Full Array Local Dimming, HDR, Dolby Vision/Dolby Atmos, best speakers I have ever heard on a TV and more..and was only $413.00 at Best Buy - I point this out because everyone knows about the Samsungs, LG's, Sony's etc. but this Toshiba is not right up there with my other TV's but damn close and for people on a budget...it is a steal! I bought it for a room that is not used quite as much so no need to spend tons of money, I mean this Toshiba was literally a quarter the price of my Samsung S95B.) sorry for that little tangent, but just wanted to let people know.

So anyway, I stupidly just bought another Apple TV 4K right before the new ones were announced. I am usually right up on what Apple is going to release and what not, but just have been so busy. I am hoping Best Buy will allow me to bring this one back, and get the new ATV4K with WiFi+Ethernet, however, being Best Buy they will probably make it hard on me, or not allow it. The ATV4K (2021) is out of it return window, however, the new Apple TV was announced during it, and you cannot even get them in store until tomorrow or it would have only been a couple days past the 14 day window...hoping I can work something out with them.

My Samsung S95 is my main TV, however if I do get this new ATV4K (if Best Buy helps or I eventually have to buy it as a Christmas present to myself, haha) will I see that much of a difference? @solq made a good point that there is not much HDR10+ content on iTunes or Apple TV period (along with HBO Max, which from what I have watched on there is mostly Dolby Vision) but tons of Dolby Vision content. Obviously if I can exchange it, I'll be happy...even have $25 left over for something...new HDMI cable...trust me, I will find something I do not need in Best Buy.

So you TV guys, that know all this...please let me know if it going to be worth the hassle with Best Buy to even try to exchange up to the new ATV4K, or should I just wait a little bit, or am I good with the 2021 version for my main TV, which is the Samsung S95B? All the other TV's have the 2021 ATV4K...it is amazing little package, in my opinion.

Thanks in advance, and sorry for getting a little off topic there!

So, as I understand it, the 2021 Apple TV 4K already supports Dolby Digital.

Dolby Digital is considered to be better than HDR10 as I understand it.

The big deal about this new 2022 version is it supports HDR10 so it’s a perfect fit for Samsung TVs.

I too personally would love to see a side by side comparison of 2 Samsung TVs, each with an AppleTV; 2021 and 2022 respectively.

 

[HappyDude20]

I mentioned it my post below you, but check out the Toshiba M550 Fire TV. Has most of the features the high end TV's have, like HDR, Dolby Vision/Dolby Atmos, DTS HD, Full Array backlighting, native 120hz panel, hand free control, and most importantly, an amazing picture...truly shocked me, and more. When it originally came out last year it was close to $1,000, I got it late summer of this year for $413.00 (that includes tax) at Best Buy so if you can find one now, probably even cheaper, definitely put it in your list. Like I said in my other post, best speakers and sound I have ever heard on a TV as far as built in speakers. If you need to upgrade, that TV is definitely worth a look!

Watch some reviews on YouTube, or read up on some other sites. I am a Samsung guy, but sometimes a TV comes along that makes you break from your brand, like the LG C1 I have. I'll be honest, the Toshiba could be used as my main TV, would you notice the difference...absolutely, however, not near as much as you would think!

Best of luck with your TV hunting!

I’ve always thought Sony as the best but outta my price range. The Samsung was a gift and I love it and use it daily. The one brand I don’t like is LG cause I used to have one and hated it. That and having worked for Best Buy in the past, can tell you that Best Buy’s Insignia TV brand is 100% LG Televisions just with the Insignia branding.

 

[SRLMJ23]

I’ve always thought Sony as the best but outta my price range. The Samsung was a gift and I love it and use it daily. The one brand I don’t like is LG cause I used to have one and hated it. That and having worked for Best Buy in the past, can tell you that Best Buy’s Insignia TV brand is 100% LG Televisions just with the Insignia branding.

Sony was the best, and if you ask most people now (and I agree with this) they would most likely rank TV brands as:

#1: Samsung
#2. Sony
#3. LG

From there on it is kind of all over the place. I remember back 10-12 years now, a person that I knew that worked at Best Buy telling me that the Insignia's were essentially re-branded LG's but with a lot of the good features turned off via Firmware unless you went to the top of the line Insignia, which I get.

This is my first LG I have ever had, and my Samsung TV's destroy it (via my eyes)...so I really do not understand the whole deal with the LG C1 and tech sites rating it the best TV overall, or top five. For those who have it and love it, I am happy for you. Do not get me wrong, it has a great picture and with an ATV4K, it is even improved (all the tv's are with ATV4K) just not on Samsung's level, once again in my opinion from what my eyes are seeing.

Like I said, check out that Toshiba if you are on a budget or just want a great tv that is on sale as crazy low prices.

 

[HappyDude20]

Sony was the best, and if you ask most people now (and I agree with this) they would most likely rank TV brands as:

#1: Samsung
#2. Sony
#3. LG

From there on it is kind of all over the place. I remember back 10-12 years now, a person that I knew that worked at Best Buy telling me that the Insignia's were essentially re-branded LG's but with a lot of the good features turned off via Firmware unless you went to the top of the line Insignia, which I get.

This is my first LG I have ever had, and my Samsung TV's destroy it (via my eyes)...so I really do not understand the whole deal with the LG C1 and tech sites rating it the best TV overall, or top five. For those who have it and love it, I am happy for you. Do not get me wrong, it has a great picture and with an ATV4K, it is even improved (all the tv's are with ATV4K) just not on Samsung's level, once again in my opinion from what my eyes are seeing.

Like I said, check out that Toshiba if you are on a budget or just want a great tv that is on sale as crazy low prices.

I will definitely check out the Toshiba mentioned.

I took a screenshot and will be in the market for one in about 6 months.

 

[solq]

So question for you all...is HDR10+ better than Dolby Vision? I am very tech savvy, but not really with this stuff.

I have a Samsung S95B 55", Samsung Q80A 55", an LG C1 55", and a Toshiba M550 Fire TV 55" (which just to sneak this in, the Toshiba actually puts out an *amazing* picture, has Full Array Local Dimming, HDR, Dolby Vision/Dolby Atmos, best speakers I have ever heard on a TV and more..and was only $413.00 at Best Buy - I point this out because everyone knows about the Samsungs, LG's, Sony's etc. but this Toshiba is not right up there with my other TV's but damn close and for people on a budget...it is a steal! I bought it for a room that is not used quite as much so no need to spend tons of money, I mean this Toshiba was literally a quarter the price of my Samsung S95B.) sorry for that little tangent, but just wanted to let people know.

So anyway, I stupidly just bought another Apple TV 4K right before the new ones were announced. I am usually right up on what Apple is going to release and what not, but just have been so busy. I am hoping Best Buy will allow me to bring this one back, and get the new ATV4K with WiFi+Ethernet, however, being Best Buy they will probably make it hard on me, or not allow it. The ATV4K (2021) is out of it return window, however, the new Apple TV was announced during it, and you cannot even get them in store until tomorrow or it would have only been a couple days past the 14 day window...hoping I can work something out with them.

My Samsung S95 is my main TV, however if I do get this new ATV4K (if Best Buy helps or I eventually have to buy it as a Christmas present to myself, haha) will I see that much of a difference? @solq made a good point that there is not much HDR10+ content on iTunes or Apple TV period (along with HBO Max, which from what I have watched on there is mostly Dolby Vision) but tons of Dolby Vision content. Obviously if I can exchange it, I'll be happy...even have $25 left over for something...new HDMI cable...trust me, I will find something I do not need in Best Buy.

So you TV guys, that know all this...please let me know if it going to be worth the hassle with Best Buy to even try to exchange up to the new ATV4K, or should I just wait a little bit, or am I good with the 2021 version for my main TV, which is the Samsung S95B? All the other TV's have the 2021 ATV4K...it is amazing little package, in my opinion.

Thanks in advance, and sorry for getting a little off topic there!

Dolby Vision isn't necessarily technically better than HDR10+ but there's a lot more content for it. Netflix, Disney+, most UHD Blu-ray discs etc use Dolby Vision.

 

[solq]

So, as I understand it, the 2021 Apple TV 4K already supports Dolby Digital.

Dolby Digital is considered to be better than HDR10 as I understand it.

The big deal about this new 2022 version is it supports HDR10 so it’s a perfect fit for Samsung TVs.

I too personally would love to see a side by side comparison of 2 Samsung TVs, each with an AppleTV; 2021 and 2022 respectively.

Sorry, you do not understand it at all.

Dolby Digital is a sound format.

Dolby Vision, HDR10+ and HDR10 are formats for encoding high dynamic range information in video streams.

Dolby Vision and HDR10+ are backwards compatible with HDR10, as in they supersede it.

The previous 4k Apple TV already supported Dolby Vision (and of course HDR10). The new one also supports HDR10+.

There's little content encoded in HDR10+, notably streaming services don't use it, this is not going to make much difference to anyone.

Samsung went the HDR10+ route to avoid paying licensing fees to Dolby.

Unfortunately that particular format is essentially dead.

 

[HappyDude20]

Sorry, you do not understand it at all.

Dolby Digital is a sound format.

Dolby Vision, HDR10+ and HDR10 are formats for encoding high dynamic range information in video streams.

Dolby Vision and HDR10+ are backwards compatible with HDR10, as in they supersede it.

The previous 4k Apple TV already supported Dolby Vision (and of course HDR10). The new one also supports HDR10+.

There's little content encoded in HDR10+, notably streaming services don't use it, this is not going to make much difference to anyone.

Samsung went the HDR10+ route to avoid paying licensing fees to Dolby.

Unfortunately that particular format is essentially dead.

Dolby Digital Dolby vision

Tomato tomato

 

[solq]

Dolby Digital Dolby vision

Tomato tomato

That's what Homer would say all right.

 

[realeric]

I also have Samsung TV that was a my mistake. Here is what I found;

• Tier 1 (have tech to make in-house LCD panels and superior OLED panels) : LG
• Tier 2 (have tech to make in-house LCD panels and a few inferior OLED panels ) : Samsung
• Tier 3 (buy panels and make good TVs) : Sony
• Tier 4 : Other Japanese brands
• Tier 5 : Chinese brands

Unfortunately, Samsung closed LCD panel manufacturing a few month ago as it was not profitable.

• Dolby vision and HDR10 : LG, Sony, most other brands
• HDR10+ and HDR10 : Samsung (only)

Contents:

• Dolby vision and HDR10 : Netflix, Disney+, HBO Max, Apple TV+
• Dolby vision, HDR10+, and HDR10 : Amazon prime, Hulu, Paramount+

So, if you have a Samsung TV “and” watch Amazon prime, Hulu, or Paramount+, Apple TV 2022 will help.

 

[JBGoode]

I also have Samsung TV that was a my mistake. Here is what I found;

• Tier 1 (have tech to make in-house LCD panels and superior OLED panels) : LG
• Tier 2 (have tech to make in-house LCD panels and a few inferior OLED panels ) : Samsung
• Tier 3 (buy panels and make good TVs) : Sony
• Tier 4 : Other Japanese brands
• Tier 5 : Chinese brands

Unfortunately, Samsung closed LCD panel manufacturing a few month ago as it was not profitable.

• Dolby vision and HDR10 : LG, Sony, most other brands
• HDR10+ and HDR10 : Samsung (only)

Contents:

• Dolby vision and HDR10 : Netflix, Disney+, HBO Max, Apple TV+
• Dolby vision, HDR10+, and HDR10 : Amazon prime, Hulu, Paramount+

So, if you have a Samsung TV “and” watch Amazon prime, Hulu, or Paramount+, Apple TV 2022 will help.

Apple TV + content is now offered in HDR10+. I watched Ted Lasso in HDR10+ on the native Apple TV app on my Samsung TV. I assume this will also be the case with the 2022 hardware.

 

[-Gonzo-]

There's little content encoded in HDR10+, notably streaming services don't use it, this is not going to make much difference to anyone.

I beg to differ, my Panasonic OLED can do both Dolby Vision and HDR10+ and so far these are just some of the none Dolby Vision movies that are now HDR10+ via the UK iTunes store so I’d say it’s looking to be quite a difference, especially as I have a great number of them myself.

A Good Day To Die Hard
American Gangster
American Made
Apollo 11
Apollo 13
The Blues Brothers
Bohemian Rhapsody
Braveheart
Darkest Hour
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
Die Hard
Die Hard 2
Die Hard with a Vengeance
Die Hard 4.0
Drive
Dr.Seuss’ How The Grinch Stole Christmas
Emma (2020)
Exodus: Gods and Kings
The Fast And The Furious
2 Fast 2 Furious
The Fast And The Furious: Tokyo Drift
Fast & Furious
Fast & Furious 5
Fast & Furious 6
Fast & Furious 7
Field of Dreams
Get Out
The Greatest Showman
Halloween (2018)
Harriet
The Hate U Give
Heat (1995)
Hellboy II The Golden Army
How To Train Your Dragon
How To Train Your Dragon 2
How To Train Your Dragon The Hidden World
Howard The Duck
The Hung
The Huntsman Winters War
Jurassic Park
Jurassic Park The Lost World
Jurassic Park III
Jurassic World
Kingsman The Secret Service
Kingsman The Golden Circle
Licorice Pizza
Logan
Mamma Mia
The Martian
The Maze Runner
Maze Runner: The Scorch Trials
Minions
Morgan
The Mummy (1999)
The Mummy Returns
The Mummy Tomb of the Dragon Emperor
The Mummy (2017)
The Output
Pitch Perfect
Pitch Perfect 2
Pitch Perfect 3
Predator
Predators
The Purge (2013)
Rise of the Planet of the Apes
Robin Hood
Serenity
Shrek
Sicario
Smokey and the Bandit
Snow White and the Huntsman
Split (2017)
Spy
Terminator 2: Judgement Davy
The Thing (1982)
To Kill a Mockingbird
War of the Planet of the Apes
X-Men
X-Men 2
X-Men The Last Stand
X-Men Days of Future Past
X-Men Days of Future Past - The Rogue Cut
Yesterday

 

[kiranmk2]

From my understanding HDR10 uses static metadata - that is there is one grading for the entire film. Thus if there is one scene in a film with few bright ultra bright pixels that are graded at 1000 nits (or 4000 nits if the film was graded to that max brightness), everything in other scenes is relevetive to that brightness. Therefore if there is another scene that is supposed to be 500 nits, HDR10 tells displays to light that second scene at half the brightness of those ultra bright pixels. If you TV gets up to very high brightnesses this isn't a problem as that second scene will still be bright. If your TV doesn't get super bright (e.g. a lot of OLEDs only get to 600-700 nits, that second scene will only be 300-350 nits (half of the max brightness). In this case that second scene will not be as bright as intended. If you have a Samsung miniLED display that can reach 2000 nits, you are probably ok with regular HDR10 unless the content is graded to 4000 nits (and even then, I doubt you would be able to tell there is any compromise).

Dolby Vision and HDR10+ use dynamic metadata whereby each scene (or even each frame) can be graded separately. Thus in the previous example the second scene can also appear bright.

From what I've read, Dolby Vision gradings tend to be done by professional graders and cinematographers, whilst I have a feeling that HDR10+gradings are done via an algorithm (I haven't seen any evidence for this, just reviews of HDR10+ content where reviewers couldn't see any particular difference between HDR10 and HDR10+ versions)

 

[HDFan]

Sony was the best, and if you ask most people now (and I agree with this) they would most likely rank TV brands as:

#1: Samsung
#2. Sony
#3. LG

For high end OLED TV's LG and Sony are in a virtual tie at #1. Samsung is 2nd.

 

[musicman0725]

For anyone with a Samsung TV, HDR10+ support is a good reason to get the 3rd gen ATV4K over the 2nd gen model. The thing is, if you already have the 1st or 2nd gen ATV4K, the built-in Samsung ATV app now supports HDR10+. So for that feature alone, it may not be worth upgrading. Also, my receiver (Denon X4500H) doesn't support HDR10+ passthrough (it only supports HDR10 and Dolby Vision passthrough). Depending on your device chain, it may make more sense to just use the built-in app on your TV if you want to watch the content in HDR10+. Right now there is a lot of content that supports HDR10+ on iTunes. Pretty much everything on ATV+ as well as content from Paramount, Warner Bros, 20th Century Fox and Universal. Disney and Sony do not yet support HDR10+ w/ content on iTunes (but they do on Amazon if you have your libraries linked with movies anywhere which does not require a Prime subscription).

 

[razorme]

Sony was the best, and if you ask most people now (and I agree with this) they would most likely rank TV brands as:

#1: Samsung
#2. Sony
#3. LG

From there on it is kind of all over the place. I remember back 10-12 years now, a person that I knew that worked at Best Buy telling me that the Insignia's were essentially re-branded LG's but with a lot of the good features turned off via Firmware unless you went to the top of the line Insignia, which I get.

This is my first LG I have ever had, and my Samsung TV's destroy it (via my eyes)...so I really do not understand the whole deal with the LG C1 and tech sites rating it the best TV overall, or top five. For those who have it and love it, I am happy for you. Do not get me wrong, it has a great picture and with an ATV4K, it is even improved (all the tv's are with ATV4K) just not on Samsung's level, once again in my opinion from what my eyes are seeing.

Like I said, check out that Toshiba if you are on a budget or just want a great tv that is on sale as crazy low prices.

Your rankings must be for cheap back-lit LCD TVs. If you want a great picture you need OLED technology (such as the LG C1).

 

[mattopotamus]

Sony was the best, and if you ask most people now (and I agree with this) they would most likely rank TV brands as:

#1: Samsung
#2. Sony
#3. LG

From there on it is kind of all over the place. I remember back 10-12 years now, a person that I knew that worked at Best Buy telling me that the Insignia's were essentially re-branded LG's but with a lot of the good features turned off via Firmware unless you went to the top of the line Insignia, which I get.

This is my first LG I have ever had, and my Samsung TV's destroy it (via my eyes)...so I really do not understand the whole deal with the LG C1 and tech sites rating it the best TV overall, or top five. For those who have it and love it, I am happy for you. Do not get me wrong, it has a great picture and with an ATV4K, it is even improved (all the tv's are with ATV4K) just not on Samsung's level, once again in my opinion from what my eyes are seeing.

Like I said, check out that Toshiba if you are on a budget or just want a great tv that is on sale as crazy low prices.

Your rankings must be for cheap back-lit LCD TVs. If you want a great picture you need OLED technology (such as the LG C1).

I agree with Razorme in regard to comparing LCD/OLED. It isn't in the same ball park. All three (Samsung, Sony, LG) make phenomenal OLEDs. The reason I personally prefer Sony is because I feel like their software is the best of the three, specifically with handling motion (even when all motion processing is off). I have owned 3 LG OLEDs and 2 Sony OLEDs, and I give Sony the edge. From what I have read, the Samsung OLEDs are amazing, may even be the best, but the lack of DV makes it a no go for me personally. I still collect disc, and of those that include DV/HDR10+, there are far far more with DV.