Is iCloud backup for iPhone taking you 29 hours?

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  1. neocerebrum macrumors newbie

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    When syncing my iPhone with iCloud, it only takes a few seconds (a few minutes the first time I synced). However, when I went to create a full backup through iCloud, it first said 29 hours of time remaining. After about three hours, it said 23 hours remaining. Knowing I need to be somewhere tomorrow morning, I tapped the Cancel button. Then I attached my iPhone to my computer and created a full backup in about 5 minutes.

    The first attached image below is the screen for syncing.
    The second attached image is for full iPhone backup.
    The third image below shows the "29 hours."
     

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  2. nippyjun macrumors 65816

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    I would think if you are backing up many gigabytes of data it could take a long time depending on your connection speed.
     
  3. FreakinEurekan macrumors 68040

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    Run speedtest.net app - what is your uplink speed?

    what size iPhone and how much memory is used?

    FWIW, 29 hours for a somewhat full iPhone on a mediocre Internet connection seems plausible to me.
     
  4. Alonzo84 macrumors 6502a

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    I'm not sure how much data you're backing up but my first iCloud back up was a little over 3GB and took about 4 hours.
     
  5. Dangerous Theory macrumors 68000

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    Upload speeds are no where near fast enough to make iCloud backups reasonable, even over wifi. It's only useful for contacts, calendar, bookmarks etc.
     
  6. AntonisCy macrumors regular

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    indeed. i have over 5 apps that are over 1gb at size and alot of others at lower sizes... It would take days to backup to icloud... not reasonable and i dont think it will be with the wifi/internet speeds we have right now
     
  7. DemonicZeus macrumors member

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    I backed my iphone up and it took about 2 hours for 4.3 gb
     
  8. boomhower macrumors 68000

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    My first took a long time, around four hours if memory serves. It just depends on what your trying to back-up and your connection speed.
     
  9. PNutts macrumors 601

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    That's not true.
     
  10. thelookingglass macrumors 68000

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    Agreed. I've got 3gigs of backup in Steve's cloud right now. Took an entire night the first time, but has been relatively quick everytime since.
     
  11. gentlefury macrumors 68030

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    iCloud is actually a really great and smart backup system, if you set it up right. The app sizes listed aren't actually the app size, it is the size of the data they produce. You can switch them off and when you restore you will just not get the data that comes with them.

    For starters, switch off camera roll. With photo stream it is completely redundant. You have to be on wifi to iCloud backup, photo stream is automatic when your on wifi.....therefore no point. That will save you a LOT of space.

    Then go thru and see which apps are taking up a LOT of space. Turn those off. You can always back those up to your desktop if you really want to. The point as I see of iCloud is to get back up and running quickly in the event of a critical failure or device replacement...and there is no need to backup/restore everything on your phone using it.

    If its taking 29 hours that means you are backing up everything....so your backup is probably MASSIVE! Mine went from 6.4GB to 450MB by just disabling stuff I don't need backed up.

    Also, turn on Wifi backup in iTunes, that way you will have a complete backup to your desktop at night and an iCloud backup for emergencies!

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    That's because it is incremental. It will take forever to get all that data there...but now every night you are just doing the days backup. Keep in mind tho, if you ever need to restore from that 3GB backup it will take hours.
     
  12. thelookingglass macrumors 68000

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    Are you sure you can turn on iCloud backup AND Wifi backup? When I turn on iCloud backup, it states that it will then turn off backup through wifi. I can still SYNC via wifi, I just can't backup.
     
  13. gentlefury macrumors 68030

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    yup you can:

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    I def didn't manually sync either of those.
     
  14. Alonzo84 macrumors 6502a

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    Unless I'm missing something, iCloud back up IS over WiFi. There is no seperate WiFi back up option. There is a WiFi iTunes Sync option, which is completely different since it doesn't perform a back up, just a sync.

    Unless you're referring to the option in iTunes to back up to the computer INSTEAD of iCloud. In that case, you're correct. You can only choose one or the other: iCloud or to the computer over WiFi.
     
  15. elfreakz macrumors newbie

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    Yes i have to agree with thelookingglass, i dont think we can backup at the same time both on icloud and macbook (via wifi), because when we turn on icloud, it will pop up saying backup won't be on itunes macbook.. and the setting in itunes > backup will auto select Backup to iCloud...
     
  16. thelookingglass macrumors 68000

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    Yep, that's exactly what I was talking about.

    Gentlefury, you can only backup either on iCloud or via your computer. You can't do both. The second of the two pics you showed doesn't show a wifi BACKUP to iTunes, just a wifi SYNC. The SYNC itself didn't include a backup. As of now, your backup is with iCloud.
     
  17. gentlefury, Oct 23, 2011
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    ok, well for starters, iTunes sync is the word for backup. It is listing whats being synced.

    Also, if it can only do one or the other, why do I have 2 separate times...both of which my phone was plugged in and locked and I wasn't sitting at my computer telling i to sync?
     
  18. LastOneToKnow, Oct 23, 2011
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    Your apps are not getting backed up to iCloud, only the data for your apps. The apps themselves if you ever restore from the cloud are redownloaded from the iTunes store automatically whether you have app data for them backed up or not. That being said, per application you can set whether it's data gets backed up to the cloud by accessing the settings area of your iPhone via, "Settings\iCloud\Storage & Backup\Manage Storage\Device\Backup Options".

    Under your backup options all installed apps are listed except for the official apps which come with the OS, the camera roll being the only exception to this. The amount of app data currently in place for each is shown below the title of each app. You then simply adjust the setting for each app to "On" or "Off" accordingly per having their data backed up to the cloud. So to make backing up to the cloud feasible obviously you'll need to manage your storage accordingly also considering any bandwidth limitations you may have when going to perform a backup or restore. In my case for instance I rarely have access to a connection better than 3g even when on wifi so any app with data reaching 100 megs or more I've chosen to not backup to the cloud. A good example would be my "DVD Profiler" application for the iPhone. Currently the data for this app on my iPhone is just over 1 gig in size, so I've set the option to "No" for backing up its data to the cloud. In the event I ever need to restore my iPhone from the cloud I'll simply have to restore the data for my "DVD Profiler" app locally after the app gets downloaded and installed automatically from the iTunes store. In the case of my "DVD Profiler" app fortunately restoring the app data is a simple matter of syncing the app over wifi with the "DVD Profiler" application installed on my computer.

    One thing to keep in mind with all of this, just because you are backing up to the cloud does not also mean you can't perform regular local backups to iTunes as well. In fact, you should be performing regular backups to iTunes as a backup to iTunes backs up all of the apps and app data. I can see peforming a restore from the cloud if you are in a pinch and don't have access to your iTunes application at the time. Aside from that, it just doesn't make any sense to perform a restore from the cloud as you are then having to sit there while all of your apps are redownloaded from the iTunes store not to mention the fact you may not even have all of your app data backed up to the cloud. Once a week I will connect my iPhone to the computer, launch iTunes, turn the "iCloud Backup" option off in my iPhone which in turn automatically sets the backup option in iTunes on the "Summary" tab for the device from "Back up to iCloud" to "Back up to this computer" instead. (I could change the option in iTunes directly I guess. I just like seeing the option in iTunes change all on its own after having turned the "iCloud Backup" option off in my iPhone.) I'll then right click on my iPhone from the devices list in the tree view of iTunes and choose, "Backup". Once the backup has completed I'll then simply turn the "iCloud Backup" option in my iPhone back on which in turn automatically sets the backup option in iTunes accordingly as well. :p Should also point out that turning the "iCloud Backup" option off in the iPhone or iTunes for that matter does not delete any iCloud backups you may have in place. When turning the "iCloud Backup" option back on the iCloud backups you've done previously will still be there. There are only two ways to delete your iCloud backups that I know of. The first way is to do so using the iPhone or computer. To delete a given iCloud backup using the iPhone just access the settings area, Settings\iCloud\Storage & Backup\Manage Storage\Device\". At the bottom of the page below "Backup Options" is a button to delete the backup. To do so on a Windows based computer access the iCloud control panel item which you may or may not have already installed. The iCloud control panel item will allow you to login to your iCloud account. Once logged in there is an option to manage your current iCloud storage. From the "Manage Storage" window you're then able to select and delete any of the backups that you have individually. The second way to delete your iCloud backups is to delete your iCloud account via the "Delete Account" option in the iPhone via "Settings\iCloud\". When your iCloud account is deleted this in turn deletes all of your iCloud backups as well.
     
  19. Alonzo84 macrumors 6502a

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    A back up takes what is one the device and saves it somewhere (your computer or iCloud). A sync takes what is on your computer and saves it to your device. When you sync to iTunes it transfers content onto the device, it doesn't back up anything.
     
  20. gentlefury macrumors 68030

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    I think your confusing the meaning of the word sync. To sync is to synchronize multiple devices. Therefore if there is anything on the desktop that isn't on the phone it goes there, if there is anything on the phone that isn't on the desktop it goes there...it keeps them mirrored.
     
  21. AntonisCy macrumors regular

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    great reply
     
  22. Alonzo84 macrumors 6502a

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    You have two seperate times because they are two seperate things.

    The meaning of the word is irrelevant, what matters is the action performed. A back up is completely different than a sync, at least in iTunes. That is why when you updated to iOS 5 your device was backed up BEFORE it synced to your iTunes library. A back up saves the data associated with the content, a sync transfers the content itself.
     
  23. gentlefury macrumors 68030

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    Well, I just did a test. I added an app to my iPhone and added a podcast to my iTunes then initiated a wifi sync. My iTunes now has the app and my iPhone now has the podcast...they are in sync, therefore you are wrong. It is doing exactly what it does when you plug it in. BTW, during the process the first thing it said was backing up iPhone.
     
  24. Alonzo84 macrumors 6502a

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    I'm not sure why you think this proves me wrong. The app is in your iTunes because during sync, purchased content is transferred to your library. The podcast is on your phone because, well, you synced it. None of this has anything to do with the fact that back up and sync are two different things. You even said that during the process it said that your phone was backing up. That just proves the point. If back up and sync are indeed the same thing, why would it back up before it syncs? It does that because they are not the same thing.
     
  25. donnaw macrumors 65816

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    Ok, let me see if I have this straight:

    1). iCloud backup backs up app data, documents, settings, mail, contacts, calendars, reminders, etc. whatever you have checked. It DOES NOT back up iTunes or app store purchases (because you can redownload those- except for movies)

    2). Wifi SYNC syncs iTunes and app purchases back and forth between your computer and your device. Does this mean you no longer need to plug in and 'transfer purchases'? Is this all it does?

    3). Plugged in to your computer backup backs up everything so you can restore an exact mirror image of your device as it looked at the last backup.

    Is this correct?
     

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