Reason I'm asking is that I want to buy a Macbook now and the one they have at the store has iLife 08 on them. I will buy from Apple.com if it's built-in the OSX disc as I don't want to have to install OSX 10 and then upgrade to iLife 09 when I could just order it from Apple.com and have it all on 1 disc (when doing a fresh start). Does this make any sense? Basically, what I'm asking is, other than paying an extra 9.99 to upgrade to 09, is there any difference from buying it pre-loaded than buying it from a store and then use the Up-to-date program that Apple is offering. Does iLife 08 come on it's own disc?