Other Is iPhone 12 a boring update ?

[mrklaw]

I have an ipad pro with promotion and a ‘mere’ 60Hz iphone 11. Can’t tell the difference really when I switch between the two. Maybe its a nice improvement but not necessary for me.

Everything these days has to be a dealbreaker, or must-have, its getting a bit silly.

 

[BigDO]

This 120hz, what is so ‘must have’ about it and where would I notice the difference from the current supposed brilliant experience?

Everywhere. It may or may not be interesting to you, but doubling the screen refresh rate is hugely noticeable, especially from a low base of 60Hz. It's extremely perceptible, and moving backwards from >100Hz to 60Hz is a huge degradation in user experience.

To compare, simply use a 10.6" iPad Pro, followed by the iPad Air 3.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Everywhere. It may or may not be interesting to you, but doubling the screen refresh rate is hugely noticeable, especially from a low base of 60Hz. It's extremely perceptible, and moving backwards from >100Hz to 60Hz is a huge degradation in user experience.

To compare, simply use a 10.6" iPad Pro, followed by the iPad Air 3.

I’ve seen the comparison videos and to be honest i’ll be happy with 60Hz.

 

[TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️]

Samsung already killed it this yesr with their flagship phone

 

[1144557]

What is "new?" Square sides 90%+ will hide in a case. 0.2 inch larger screen Max. Smaller batteries (even if the same battery life as current, why not keep the same size make it longer?). Slight processor & RAM bump (never found 11 Pro Max slow at all). Usually incremental camera upgrades (LIDAR, who cares honestly) that I still dont take photos.

Without 120hz or smaller notch what are you really getting for the yearly upgraders? Feels like another S of an S update other than 5G; which is a gimmick at this point. I have NEVER used 4G and said hmm this is slow; plus the usual coverage issues still until the networks mature.

All that at a rumored potential price increase too.

They wont be getting my money for the first year ever if the rumors pan out. There is nothing "innovative" there warranting an upgrade. The display I stare at isn't changing or the George Jefferson haircut notch.

And personally I agree, masks arent going anywhere anytime soon IMO and Face ID simply sucks right now.

Luckily Im not in the "Apple ecosystem" and there are a ton of REALLY good devices out there now for a lot less money. Im getting burned out on $1000+ phones too really. There is no need to spend that much anymore. Good phones are getting cheap and cheap phones are getting really good.

Look at the Pixel 4a and OnePlus Nord. REALLY good phones for $350/about $450 imported for the Oneplus since not sold in the US. For the yearly or every 2 year upgrader OS updates would be a non-issue too, they are both getting at least 2 years of updates (3 on the Pixel).

 

[BigDO]

I’ve seen the comparison videos and to be honest i’ll be happy with 60Hz.

Um, you can't see it in the videos, unless you're watching it on a high refresh screen. You seem to have your mind made up, which is fine, however you did ask why people state it's a game changer. Visually, high refresh rate (not just phones) has perceptibly the same if not more of an impact as resolution increase.

 

[LFC2020]

Hopefully this is true.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Um, you can't see it in the videos, unless you're watching it on a high refresh screen. You seem to have your mind made up, which is fine, however you did ask why people state it's a game changer. Visually, high refresh rate (not just phones) has perceptibly the same if not more of an impact as resolution increase.

I have made my mind up, it’s not something I need or would miss. I’m not someone who is interested in Pro iPhones though and this feature seems to only be demanded by enthusiasts. I am not one so I guess that is a huge bonus for me.

 

[rui no onna]

Um, you can't see it in the videos, unless you're watching it on a high refresh screen. You seem to have your mind made up, which is fine, however you did ask why people state it's a game changer. Visually, high refresh rate (not just phones) has perceptibly the same if not more of an impact as resolution increase.

I've got 2017 iPad Pros (first iPads to have ProMotion). Personally, high refresh rate is nice to have but something I could live without. However, I read a lot (text and comics) so going back to a 132 ppi display is something I'd absolutely, absolutely hate.

 

[BigDO]

I've got 2017 iPad Pros (first iPads to have ProMotion). Personally, high refresh rate is nice to have but something I could live without. However, I read a lot (text and comics) so going back to a 132 ppi display is something I'd absolutely, absolutely hate.

Sure, that’s fine. I could completely live without an iphone, but wouldn’t like to. It’s that kind of thing.

 

[The Game 161]

I have made my mind up, it’s not something I need or would miss. I’m not someone who is interested in Pro iPhones though and this feature seems to only be demanded by enthusiasts. I am not one so I guess that is a huge bonus for me.

Well yeah i think those who buy non pro models it’s not a big deal but if you are buying a pro device for me it simply has to have it. Buying say a £1100-£1200 phone with no 120hz? I personally think it’s poor.

The 12 and 12 max is better value without question.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Well yeah i think those who buy non pro models it’s not a big deal but if you are buying a pro device for me it simply has to have it. Buying say a £1100-£1200 phone with no 120hz? I personally think it’s poor.

The 12 and 12 max is better value without question.

My iPhone is primarily for business and pleasure but I do very little media consumption on it in terms of videos. It would be lost on me I think and not to mention I’d never spend £1+ for a phone when a £700 offers enough but thats me.

 

[SmugMaverick]

Leaks today say reverse wireless charging is happening at least on the Pro models and 15w wireless charging is added.

Still not really features worth $1000+ IMO

 

[LFC2020]

Leaks today say reverse wireless charging is happening at least on the Pro models and 15w wireless charging is added.

Still not really features worth $1000+ IMO

can’t see myself using the lidar sensor or reverse wireless charging (gimmick) lol.

Hopefully apple is saving something special for the event, all the rumors so far make the phone look like a xs/11 12s model.

 

[neil74]

I recently went back to my 11 pro max after using the s20+ and boy does it feel sluggish in comparison.

It might not be just the 60hz difference and it could also be that I am using ios14 beta but I found it really jarring.

 

[The Game 161]

I recently went back to my 11 pro max after using the s20+ and boy does it feel sluggish in comparison.

It might not be just the 60hz difference and it could also be that I am using ios14 beta but I found it really jarring.

I feel the same when i go from my iPad Pro to my iphone. Likely refresh rate related.

 

[The Game 161]

Leaks today say reverse wireless charging is happening at least on the Pro models and 15w wireless charging is added.

Still not really features worth $1000+ IMO

15w? That would be surprising. No surprise with reverse wireless charging this was rumoured for last year after all. It’s useful when you do need it. Granted not often but a nice to have

 

[1144557]

My iPhone is primarily for business and pleasure but I do very little media consumption on it in terms of videos. It would be lost on me I think and not to mention I’d never spend £1+ for a phone when a £700 offers enough but thats me.

The screen refresh rate has zero to with media consumption. It increases frame rate of the OS making everything including scrolling more fluid.

EVERYONE would get a benefit out of it since it enhances even basics like scrolling. I do question the allegiances of people who say they dont want it; why not have the option? Who is being hurt with the option to increase the frame rate of the OS?

I recently went back to my 11 pro max after using the s20+ and boy does it feel sluggish in comparison.

It might not be just the 60hz difference and it could also be that I am using ios14 beta but I found it really jarring.

99% the 120hz. Put it back to 60 and it will feel similar likely. I just cant fathom why people dont want this, if they are too pro-Apple will buy anything with their logo on it or what it is anymore. There are WAY too many companies out there making good tech now, this isnt 2010.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The screen refresh rate has zero to with media consumption. It increases frame rate of the OS making everything including scrolling more fluid.

EVERYONE would get a benefit out of it since it enhances even basics like scrolling. I do question the allegiances of people who say they dont want it; why not have the option? Who is being hurt with the option to increase the frame rate of the OS?

I do understand what it is and as I say, it’s not something I necessarily need nor would I pay for extra just to have. If it’s included on all iPhone 12’s then great, but if it’s just a feature added to the Pro Max to justify its obscenely high price, then I’m more than happy not to be bothered about it. I don’t have any issues scrolling now and I’m using an 8+. The experience is already fluid and I’m happy overall. I’m all for choice and in favour of improving the experience but it’s a subtle feature and being hyped like it’s the difference between a poor phone and a brilliant phone. It’s not, it’s a nice addition that isn’t essential.

What has ‘allegiance’ got to do with anything? Was that the right word you were looking for?

 

[1144557]

I do understand what it is and as I say, it’s not something I necessarily need nor would I pay for extra just to have. If it’s included on all iPhone 12’s then great, but if it’s just a feature added to the Pro Max to justify its obscenely high price, then I’m more than happy not to be bothered about it. I don’t have any issues scrolling now and I’m using an 8+. The experience is already fluid and I’m happy overall. I’m all for choice and in favour of improving the experience but it’s a subtle feature and being hyped like it’s the difference between a poor phone and a brilliant phone. It’s not, it’s a nice addition that isn’t essential.

What has ‘allegiance’ got to do with anything? Was that the right word you were looking for?

Ok well you said media consumption which makes no sense. Even for "work" 120hz would be beneficial

Ok well you arent the target consumer then. We are talking purely about the Pro models ($999+); Apple BARELY got OLED in the lower end models finally, they arent getting higher refresh anytime soon regardless. Nor was it ever eve rumored for the non-Pro models. We are referring to the rumor on the Pros allegedly not happening.

When you use a 120hz iPad you will understand it though. I dont want 120hz is something no one says; maybe not need but all want it once they use it.

And yes allegiances. No one should have an allegiance to a faceless corporation tasked with separating you from as much money as they can over the consumer. If you dont have a need for it great, but that is different than should a $1000+ phone in 2020 have a higher refresh rate when everyone else is doing it just fine.

 

[rui no onna]

Sure, that’s fine. I could completely live without an iphone, but wouldn’t like to. It’s that kind of thing.

For you perhaps.

Personally, I value integration with iPads more so I'd take the SE 2020 over any Android (flagship or otherwise) with 120Hz display.

 

[TiggrToo]

EVERYONE...

Really? I mean honestly, I think you’re basing the general population on your personal perception.

You really need to first grok how little attention most people pay to these new features. It’s enough for any vendor to paint something as “new and shiny” to get people to buy into it.

Look at 5g for example: the moment Android phones came out with “5g”, folk were all “why doesn’t Apple have 5g yet” despite the fact that, not only was 5g availability severely limited, but that most of the purported 5g chips were not ready for full 5g (The Moto Z3 came out August 2018 with a 5g upgrade available- despite the fact only 2 cities at the time had any sort of 5g availability)

Didn’t make a difference though. People thought it was faster and better, so they brought into the hype.

Hype, exhibit A:

So, is 90Hz and 120Hz all that and a bag of chips, really? Or is it a nice combo of Hype and potential functionality?

For general consumption, whilst a higher refresh rate might appear to be smoother, it comes at the cost of battery life. Refreshing the display either half as much again to 90Hz has a price - more so at 120Hz.

So, now, back to your "Everyone" again.

If you think "Everyone" would notice this effect, then you seem to have a massively elevated view of most people's perceptions.

Sure, the feature will sell, it's "new and shiney", but as to if everyone will notice? Nope, they'll claim they will, but the reality is far different.

Is it pointless tech? Heck no, it certainly has its place, but right now, just like 5g, not all ProMotion 90Hz and 120Hz features are ready to be exploited.

 

[1144557]

Really? I mean honestly, I think you’re basing the general population on your personal perception.

You really need to first grok how little attention most people pay to these new features. It’s enough for any vendor to paint something as “new and shiny” to get people to buy into it.

Look at 5g for example: the moment Android phones came out with “5g”, folk were all “why doesn’t Apple have 5g yet” despite the fact that, not only was 5g availability severely limited, but that most of the purported 5g chips were not ready for full 5g (The Moto Z3 came out August 2018 with a 5g upgrade available- despite the fact only 2 cities at the time had any sort of 5g availability)

Didn’t make a difference though. People thought it was faster and better, so they brought into the hype.

Hype, exhibit A:

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So, is 90Hz and 120Hz all that and a bag of chips, really? Or is it a nice combo of Hype and potential functionality?

For general consumption, whilst a higher refresh rate might appear to be smoother, it comes at the cost of battery life. Refreshing the display either half as much again to 90Hz has a price - more so at 120Hz.

So, now, back to your "Everyone" again.

If you think "Everyone" would notice this effect, then you seem to have a massively elevated view of most people's perceptions.

Sure, the feature will sell, it's "new and shiney", but as to if everyone will notice? Nope, they'll claim they will, but the reality is far different.

Is it pointless tech? Heck no, it certainly has its place, but right now, just like 5g, not all ProMotion 90Hz and 120Hz features are ready to be exploited.

Yes. EVERYONE could benefit from it; if given the option at least. NOT everyone can benefit from 5G as coverage isnt everywhere; and wont be for years based on the carrier timelines. Very different topics. I've already posted many times 5G should not be a factor for anyone this year; its messy fragmented between 2 techs and in very few places. High refresh OLEDs are already a fully fleshed out mainstream tech.

Why not give the consumer the option? Why are you so against choice? How hard would it be to ship at 60hz and give the OPTION to turn it on? Samsung does exactly that. Who is getting hurt here exactly giving choice? Dont want the battery drain etc, dont turn it on. Simple as that.

These are "PRO" devices that cost $1000+ after all. Why do the Pro iPads need 120hz then if its not a Pro feature? Your argument loses credibility when half the Pro line has it claiming it is a Pro feature; if no iOS devices had it that would make sense.

The fact that you call high refresh rate "hype" tells me you have never used it. Ask anyone who has used an iPad Pro, 120hz isnt "hype"

This is that typical mentality that if Apple says we dont need it we dont need it and no one should want it. I cant rationalize these defending Apple attitudes here for not giving the consumer the choice

 

[blairh]

I don't know about you people but I feel like the 2020 iPhone will be a very boring update. 5G is neat but the rest of it seems mediocre. Just nothing that seems exciting or innovative . I would love Touch ID built into the screen, 120 hz screens, and no notch and none of those things are likely in iPhone 12. Maybe Apple is better than usual with covering up leaks but this seems like a boring update. Lesser update than the " S " updates of the past.

Hard to say until we get the keynote honestly. We are just speculating until then.

It appears the 12 Pro Max will have 5G, a smaller notch, and be thinner than the 11 Pro Max. I think those are pretty exciting updates. I also believe Touch ID will return next year as rumored and also potentially 120Hz screens by that point. So really the 13 Pro Max will be awesome. No notch will most likely come with the next redesign, in 2023.

The candy bar form factor smartphone is pretty boring now IMO. However folding technology is still super new so it's really not a viable option for at least a few more years due to price, thickness when folded, etc.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Ok well you said media consumption which makes no sense. Even for "work" 120hz would be beneficial

Ok well you arent the target consumer then. We are talking purely about the Pro models ($999+); Apple BARELY got OLED in the lower end models finally, they arent getting higher refresh anytime soon regardless. Nor was it ever eve rumored for the non-Pro models. We are referring to the rumor on the Pros allegedly not happening.

When you use a 120hz iPad you will understand it though. I dont want 120hz is something no one says; maybe not need but all want it once they use it.

And yes allegiances. No one should have an allegiance to a faceless corporation tasked with separating you from as much money as they can over the consumer. If you dont have a need for it great, but that is different than should a $1000+ phone in 2020 have a higher refresh rate when everyone else is doing it just fine.

Well this thread is not just about the Pro iPhones and yes I’m not interested in this specific feature if I’m honest. As long as the iPhone 12 has all the important features much like the iPhone 11 did compared to the 11 Pro, that is all that matters to me. I don’t have an allegiance towards Apple either, you’ve brought that up not me.