iPad Pro Is it Harmful to always be charging? New M4

[klasma]

There is ZERO harm in keeping it plugged in, or using it however you see fit. You CANNOT stop the battery from degrading, no matter how you use it, and you CANNOT make the battery degrade slower by any MEANINGFUL amount. You can use the product without worrying about the battery and after 3 years it will be around 85-90%. Or you can obsess over the battery and baby it and after 3 years …it will still be around 85-90%.

Please note my emphasis on the word MEANINGFUL here. People will try to debate until they turn blue about preserving battery capacity and ways to slow battery degradation…but whether or not that is physically possible is not what matters. What matters is whether or not it can be done to a MEANINGFUL extent. And it cannot. There is no possible way to extend battery life so much that it would ever be worth the effort required to do so.

Just use your device and do not once ever think or care about the battery.

There are ways to degrade the battery quicker though, for example by always letting it drain to zero. It’s a legitimate question whether keeping it on a charger all the time might also lead to faster degradation for some reason.

 

[Cirillo Gherardo]

There are ways to degrade the battery quicker though, for example by always letting it drain to zero. It’s a legitimate question whether keeping it on a charger all the time might also lead to faster degradation for some reason.

This is the problem. Quicker is a relative term. That was the point of my post, and my issue with this entire conversation every time it comes up.

If I use my device however I see fit without once caring about the battery and after 3 years I'm at 85%, while someone else baby's their device and constantly obsesses over how they use it or charge it, and after 3 years they are at 89%...who exactly won here? Not the person who obsessed for 3 years, I can promise you that. Quicker does not necessarily mean meaningfully quicker. Just technically quicker. It's the meaningful part that matters.

 

[klasma]

This is the problem. Quicker is a relative term. That was the point of my post, and my issue with this entire conversation every time it comes up.

If I use my device however I see fit without once caring about the battery and after 3 years I'm at 85%, while someone else baby's their device and constantly obsesses over how they use it or charge it, and after 3 years they are at 89%...who exactly won here? Not the person who obsessed for 3 years, I can promise you that. Quicker does not necessarily mean meaningfully quicker. Just technically quicker. It's the meaningful part that matters.

Always draining to zero, which you probably don’t do, really degrades the battery substantially faster. I’m speaking from personal experience. ^^;

And there is also a reason Samsung and now Apple have introduced the option of limiting charging to 85 or 80%. This does make a difference in battery lifetime.

 

[Jackbequickly]

Cycles of charge and discharge is the major factor in battery wear. If it were not then manufacturers would not say their batteries are good for so many cycles.

Avoiding cycles would create less wear on the battery and extend it’s useful life.

It is all about battery chemistry and how many times the chemical reactions can be reversed.

 

[rkuo]

Cycles of charge and discharge is the major factor in battery wear. If it were not then manufacturers would not say their batteries are good for so many cycles.

Avoiding cycles would create less wear on the battery and extend it’s useful life.

It is all about battery chemistry and how many times the chemical reactions can be reversed.

The answer is more like "it depends". A lot of people use their macbook's as desktops so the battery just sits at 100% indefinitely. This can harm the battery with virtually no cycling. Same for an Apple Watch that only gets pulled out once in a while. I've personally lost one macbook and two apple watches to this ... and i'm pretty sure one of my iPhone's was on the way out prematurely. I'm rarely away from a charger so I'd rather have prolonged battery capacity over daily battery life.

 

[Jackbequickly]

The answer is more like "it depends". A lot of people use their macbook's as desktops so the battery just sits at 100% indefinitely. This can harm the battery with virtually no cycling. Same for an Apple Watch that only gets pulled out once in a while. I've personally lost one macbook and two apple watches to this ... and i'm pretty sure one of my iPhone's was on the way out prematurely. I'm rarely away from a charger so I'd rather have prolonged battery capacity over daily battery life.

‘Agreed! No matter what we can not stop all battery wear. I limit the charging on my 13” to 80% which will help some and at Least once a week run my iPad on battery only just to keep those ”fresh electrons” moving freely.

 

[Apleeseed84]

And there's people who still want always on screens.

You read it somewhere. Got you. Usbc and contactless charging are everywhere. This scenario you are painting is not realistic. A third party charger from my quality manufacturer is not a problem in real life.

Apple Seed(Sales Enablement, Education and Development) app is an internal software from apple to mobility sellers, you can't download it from the app store, you need to work in retail to access that information, they indeed have amazing videos on how to sell all their devices with internal videos you can't get anywhere else and training that you have to complete, to make you a subject matter expert on a device. I used to sell sale phones and part of my training required to train up on android and apple devices and accessories, so I looked into both at the time.
However, when I went to training for a week at the cellphone carriers hq's, they did touch upon "accessories", and they showed some "proprietary" information about why you should "sell" their chargers per se, this was years ago(like 2018), but my main take away is just to stick with chargers that are either from apply or licensed through official channels.

Did I read about sure, but it was through an official apple app that also included internal technical bulletins about their products, that legit broke it down how it really worked behind the scenes, you know, in order to answer any questions a customer might have. But that was so long ago that's one of the few things that stuck with me I guess, because I sold cellphones, we didn't get commission on accessories.

In my defense though, when you took those monthly quizzes, a few popped up about chargers, but the closest thing it's similar is how they worded answers, they gave you the "why" their stuff works, etc. Typical sales stuff

 

[ericwn]

And there's people who still want always on screens.

Apple Seed(Sales Enablement, Education and Development) app is an internal software from apple to mobility sellers, you can't download it from the app store, you need to work in retail to access that information, they indeed have amazing videos on how to sell all their devices with internal videos you can't get anywhere else and training that you have to complete, to make you a subject matter expert on a device. I used to sell sale phones and part of my training required to train up on android and apple devices and accessories, so I looked into both at the time.
However, when I went to training for a week at the cellphone carriers hq's, they did touch upon "accessories", and they showed some "proprietary" information about why you should "sell" their chargers per se, this was years ago(like 2018), but my main take away is just to stick with chargers that are either from apply or licensed through official channels.

Did I read about sure, but it was through an official apple app that also included internal technical bulletins about their products, that legit broke it down how it really worked behind the scenes, you know, in order to answer any questions a customer might have. But that was so long ago that's one of the few things that stuck with me I guess, because I sold cellphones, we didn't get commission on accessories.

In my defense though, when you took those monthly quizzes, a few popped up about chargers, but the closest thing it's similar is how they worded answers, they gave you the "why" their stuff works, etc. Typical sales stuffView attachment 2382055

How does a screenshot about cases make your point about chargers?

 

[Apleeseed84]

How does a screenshot about cases make your point about chargers?

That I took a class on their chargers, that broke down how they worked at the “time”. He was making it seem that I got my info out of nowhere, because that app can only be accessed with Apple partnership credentials.

It’s part of an “Apple Master” course and it’s how you got COU Apple devices at my old job, not to mention a 20% Apple retail store discount that I miss, on anything they sold.

So long story short, their stuff wasn’t like here’s the new 20w brick that fast charges stuff, they literally explained every single feature “inside” the 20 w bricks and what made it different, how they licensed them, and how they worked with all their devices. Courses like Apple Master and Samsung Pros were bad ass and I wish everyone had access to them.

All I’m trying to say is that I trade in my devices and I personally know what they look for, therefore I take care of my Apple devices like they are brand new for that reason, to always get the highest price available, because any defects in software or hardware will give them an excuse to give the lowest price they can offer period.

 

[dumastudetto]

You can always order a battery replacement or buy a new iPad later if you kill the battery. Just enjoy the iPad Pro lifestyle and don't worry about these minor details.

 

[Beemers916]

There is ZERO harm in keeping it plugged in, or using it however you see fit. You CANNOT stop the battery from degrading, no matter how you use it, and you CANNOT make the battery degrade slower by any MEANINGFUL amount. You can use the product without worrying about the battery and after 3 years it will be around 85-90%. Or you can obsess over the battery and baby it and after 3 years …it will still be around 85-90%.

Please note my emphasis on the word MEANINGFUL here. People will try to debate until they turn blue about preserving battery capacity and ways to slow battery degradation…but whether or not that is physically possible is not what matters. What matters is whether or not it can be done to a MEANINGFUL extent. And it cannot. There is no possible way to extend battery life so much that it would ever be worth the effort required to do so.

Just use your device and do not once ever think or care about the battery.

I agree. I kept my last Ipad pro basically plugged in for 4 years straight, and it still has almost 90% battery health.

 

[transmaster]

I use Anker chargers as well. Never had an issue with them.

I have used Anker charging stations, charging batteries, and powered USB hub for many years, their cable as well. The newest chargers have computerized charge and battery monitoring I leave my iPhone and now my iPad plugged in all of the time when at the radio desk.

There is ZERO harm in keeping it plugged in, or using it however you see fit. You CANNOT stop the battery from degrading, no matter how you use it, and you CANNOT make the battery degrade slower by any MEANINGFUL amount. You can use the product without worrying about the battery and after 3 years it will be around 85-90%. Or you can obsess over the battery and baby it and after 3 years …it will still be around 85-90%.

Please note my emphasis on the word MEANINGFUL here. People will try to debate until they turn blue about preserving battery capacity and ways to slow battery degradation…but whether or not that is physically possible is not what matters. What matters is whether or not it can be done to a MEANINGFUL extent. And it cannot. There is no possible way to extend battery life so much that it would ever be worth the effort required to do so.

Just use your device and do not once ever think or care about the battery.

One of the reasons I get Apple iPhones, and iPad, etc is you can depend of them to always have the very best quality batteries on board. With Apple you can expect as much as 15,000 cycles on one. Use a quality charger like Anker and that will do the trick. I have several Anker Powercore batteries and I have lost count the number of their plug in chargers I have. Right now 3 Nano II's are in active use.

 

[nappes]

And there is also a reason Samsung and now Apple have introduced the option of limiting charging to 85 or 80%. This does make a difference in battery lifetime.

Yeah. 1m people with AppleCare+ who might have had their battery health go below 80% and get a free battery replacement now have their battery at 82% and now Apple won’t replace the battery. Not necessarily a meaningful battery difference for the user but Apple saves 200m$

 

[dominiongamma]

Why is this myth still going around 20 years later?

 

[DarkSorrow82]

I have used Anker charging stations, charging batteries, and powered USB hub for many years, their cable as well. The newest chargers have computerized charge and battery monitoring I leave my iPhone and now my iPad plugged in all of the time when at the radio desk.


One of the reasons I get Apple iPhones, and iPad, etc is you can depend of them to always have the very best quality batteries on board. With Apple you can expect as much as 15,000 cycles on one. Use a quality charger like Anker and that will do the trick. I have several Anker Powercore batteries and I have lost count the number of their plug in chargers I have. Right now 3 Nano II's are in active use.

This is the one I been using. It’s nice. I’ve used it for a few years. I’m due to upgrade and I’m going Anker again.

Satechi 75W Dual Type C PD Travel Charger Adapter with 2 USB C PD & 2 USB 3.0 - Compatible with 2020/2019 MacBook Pro, 2020 MacBook Air, M1 iPad Pro/Air, iPhone 14 Pro Max/14 Pro/14/14 Plus https://a.co/d/hyjf9Bl