Is it immoral to install apple software prior to release?

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Is it immoral to install apple software before apple officially release it?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Galacticos macrumors 6502a

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    I'm asking this for a discussion because I certainly get the feeling it's frowned upon among forum users.

    I haven't done it to date, and I'm not sure I will. But I don't really see how it could be immoral after giving it admittedly minimal thought. It's free, apple have to sign it, and apple count as a measure of success adoption of new software, so they probably like it.

    I'm genuinely open to persuasive counters to my 'position'
     
  2. utente__mac macrumors newbie

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    By installing a beta software you agree to send Apple anonymous data. You’re helping them fixing bugs which didn’t occur before.
    You’re helping them.
     
  3. gwhizkids macrumors 601

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    I don’t think the OP is referring to beta software obtained via the beta program but rather the GM that was leaked over the weekend.
     
  4. ZEEN0j macrumors 65816

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    If it wasn’t ok then Apple wouldn’t let non developers install it.
     
  5. Damolee macrumors 6502

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    No.....

    But charging £999 for the new flagship and then offering two other phones for silly money that aren't much better than the year before.... that's immoral.
     
  6. fisherking macrumors 604

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    so you haven't seen the specs, what's new? sure they're expensive, but this is apple. meanwhile, check out the details, there are improvements, new features on all 3 new phones...

    what were you expecting? apple is at the forefront of new tech (and not always the first). this is as good as the current moment gets...
     
  7. Galacticos thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I think you've nailed the problem here. They're saying it's just another tech company and you agree?
     
  8. Galacticos thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    For those that vote/d yes, I'd love to hear your perspective?
     
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  10. Mlrollin91 macrumors G5

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    You still have to be enrolled in the public beta program though. Therefore you are still opting into Apple’s T/C. Installing the GM through the leaked links is a little different IMO because Apple is not getting anything out of you like they are with the developer and public beta platforms.
     
  11. Bacong macrumors 68020

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    Immoral is not the word you're looking for.
     
  12. fisherking macrumors 604

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    not sure what you're asking me. i mean, someday displays may float in the air in front of us, but the tech doesn't yet exist to do that, so no reason to expect it on an iphone. apple pushes ahead, as best it can. what were you hoping for in the new iphones??
     
  13. Mlrollin91 macrumors G5

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    I was toying back and forth with unethical and immoral. What did you have in mind?
     
  14. Bacong macrumors 68020

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    how about...wrong? Are the stakes really so high to call installing legitimate software onto a smartphone "immoral"?
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    Not to mention it takes all of 5 minutes to join the public beta program and install the 11 GM
     
  15. Mlrollin91 macrumors G5

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    But isn’t doing something illegal considered immoral or unethical? Apple offers a free and “legal” way to do it. Installing a leaked version before the official release of the GM isn’t “legal”. That’s what I thinks being debated here. Installing it before Apple officially releases it to developers or public beta testers.
     
  16. markyr17 macrumors 65816

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    goofy to say it's immoral, unethical, or wrong. does apple want us to install it? maybe not. apple aren't gods.
     
  17. Bacong macrumors 68020

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    breaking Apple's EULA isn't "illegal"

    go into a police station and tell them you installed iOS 11 onto your phone without Apple's blessing. I'll bail you out :)
     
  18. Mlrollin91 macrumors G5

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    It all comes down to what you consider the term for technically breaking the law is. Installing unauthorized software without the consent of the distributor is technically illegal. Trademark and copyright laws apply. Will Apple prosecute/press charges? Of course not. But it’s still an illegal activity.
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    Read what I just posted.
     
  19. Bacong macrumors 68020

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    This is not an important question, or worthy of debate.
     
  20. Mlrollin91 macrumors G5

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    Okay, then you don’t need to respond. The OP asked a question. He is fully entitled to that.
     
  21. Bacong macrumors 68020

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    I'm just saying dude, a deep dive into the morality issues behind installing software onto a phone a week or two before it's officially out is such a MR thing to do. It's not "immoral", it's not even "wrong", except by the most strict definitions of the word. If you had walked up to Tim Cook last week and showed him the GM on your phone he probably would have side-eyed you, that's it.

    Where you get into an actual discussion is whether or not hosting or facilitating downloads of an unreleased software is wrong, which I believe it probably is.
     
  22. Dave-Z macrumors 6502a

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    I wouldn't install a leaked OS release, but there's certainly nothing wrong with signing up for the free beta program and install it that way. Apple, no doubt, would love to get as much feedback as possible.
     
  23. fisherking macrumors 604

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    i think it's immortal to install a leaked os, and am going to do that every time... for the immortality of it.
     
  24. mikecwest macrumors 6502a

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    I think it is the word he was looking for, but, he others may have been amoral when installing it. I think what he really means is "will I get caught if I did it?"
     
  25. Rat-Boy macrumors 65816

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    The 8 "isn't much better than the year before"???

    Yea. Wireless charging. Such a nothing feature. LMAO... This feature ALONE is enough to warrant some to upgrade.
     

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