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Is it just me, or is the real purpose of Genius..

SFC Archer said:
That's what I thought, therefore I think that your original post is something that is not being tracked or monitored and thus should not be a concern to anyone because it is impossible to prove the piracy through just the id3 tag and would have no merit in court.

I also do not think that Apple has the time to track, store and then turn over to the music labels for prosecution. It would also take a court order to get data from Apple by a Music label for prosecution of such data and Apple has their own problems with law suits right now.
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Well, unless Apple is lying, the data is sent anonomously, and thus it would be useless in a lawsuit anyway. Also, I am not sure that poorly made id3 tags could stand up in court as "proof" of piracy.

But as radio loses a greater and greater percentage of market share labels are increasingly looking to other sources for play statistics, to track trends, to track user listening patterns, etc. THAT might be valuable.

Also, if it makes hte iTunes store more efficient, it could lower prices below those of amazon, etc for whole albums (I don't see songs moving from .99 for any time in the near future). That would likely drive iPod sales. Remember, unless apple is lying they don't make any real money from the iTunes store, it is just there to drive iPod sales. Supposedly, after paying the record labels and paying for upkeep of the iTunes store, there isn't much money there at all.
 
Eh. It's OK, nothing amazing though. I've tried it a couple times, and all the songs it suggested I liked. Not the "WOW" factor I imagined, but oh well.
 
carve said:
Eh. It's OK, nothing amazing though. I've tried it a couple times, and all the songs it suggested I liked. Not the "WOW" factor I imagined, but oh well.
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yeah, same. Although I guess its pretty much impossible to "WOW" me with my own music collection. The recommended songs to buy are really obvious for the most part though. Most of them, I'm just like "there is a reason I don't own that song, its not like I've never heard of Neil Young."

I wish there was an "obscurity" slider that adjusted how obscure the songs it recommends are.
 
I think its great. Its helps me know what i should type in the search box at the big green demon. Haha.
 
FJR said:
Well, unless Apple is lying, the data is sent anonomously, and thus it would be useless in a lawsuit anyway. Also, I am not sure that poorly made id3 tags could stand up in court as "proof" of piracy.

But as radio loses a greater and greater percentage of market share labels are increasingly looking to other sources for play statistics, to track trends, to track user listening patterns, etc. THAT might be valuable.

Also, if it makes hte iTunes store more efficient, it could lower prices below those of amazon, etc for whole albums (I don't see songs moving from .99 for any time in the near future). That would likely drive iPod sales. Remember, unless apple is lying they don't make any real money from the iTunes store, it is just there to drive iPod sales. Supposedly, after paying the record labels and paying for upkeep of the iTunes store, there isn't much money there at all.
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LOL...thanks for restating what I just said.
 
lakaiordie said:
they said they dont keep your itunes account on record for it.

i doubt that.
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I don't doubt them on that count. As A) if they keep those records, those records can be subpeonaed in lawsuits that apple doesn't want to be a part of. B) its something that I don't think they could keep a secret and it would be one way to kill iTunes' dominance, which helps drive the iPod's dominance.

I just don't see any upside for them to keep those records, only downside.
 
guitarliketom said:
id have to say 90% of my library is stolen music... is genius a way of detecting that at all?
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doesn't seem so. although if you dont have it properly labelled, genius will be basically useless.
 
FJR said:
doesn't seem so. although if you dont have it properly labelled, genius will be basically useless.
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exactly. i downloaded iTunes 8 and tried out the genius function, and they couldn't make a playlist out of my Chinese/Japanese music. i guess the genius only understands English. lol...
 
aluren said:
exactly. i downloaded iTunes 8 and tried out the genius function, and they couldn't make a playlist out of my Chinese/Japanese music. i guess the genius only understands English. lol...
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also, if you listen to really obscure music genius will be somewhat uselss as well. at least until more users get itunes 8 and thus it has more info on really obscure stuff. The more obscure your music is, the less useful genius is, the less likely you are to use it, the less info it gets on music like yours, the less useful it is, etc.
 
Just another way to try and entice you into buying more songs.

'Maybe if we actually display songs they like right in their itunes, they'll buy them'

Nice try Apple, but you're going to have to disable the p2p networks in order to get my business. I don't pay for things that are free. Sorry record labels.
 
they can also sell the qualitative and quntitative data to the music labels for Big $$$$$
 
3Dmark made a profitable business selling the info collected by their benchmarking utility. Apple would make money just by selling the aggregate data on genius users.
 
Apple already knew how many people bought which album and I think they could have already gathered all the information for the record companies without telling the buyers anything..
I think it's a nice idea and it will work better gathering more info from the users
 
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ogdogg said:
Just another way to try and entice you into buying more songs.

'Maybe if we actually display songs they like right in their itunes, they'll buy them'

Nice try Apple, but you're going to have to disable the p2p networks in order to get my business. I don't pay for things that are free. Sorry record labels.
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Yup. I buy what I really like and the rest I get from usenet/torrents. I'm not sure how valuable Genius will prove to be for someone like me, but I'll check out the recommendations, I guess.
 
Yes, Genius is a marketing tool. We allow them to "recommend: us music whilst Apple gathers databases about buyer habits.
 
Can you say PANDORA... it's just another way to market "new" music to users by recommending stuff to them. Not saying that the premise isn't good, because I love Pandora.
 
SFC Archer said:
That's what I thought, therefore I think that your original post is something that is not being tracked or monitored and thus should not be a concern to anyone because it is impossible to prove the piracy through just the id3 tag and would have no merit in court.

I also do not think that Apple has the time to track, store and then turn over to the music labels for prosecution. It would also take a court order to get data from Apple by a Music label for prosecution of such data and Apple has their own problems with law suits right now.

At the most, the Genius is another way for Apple to sell music by telling you what is missing from your Genius created playlist. If it drives people to buy more music then its more money for Apple and they track the numbers of songs downloaded since....(date).... so that at the next Mac World they have new numbers to brag about and say how much better they are doing then Wal Mart and Amazon.
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I don't think Apple would want iTunes to anywhere near any court orders, lawsuits, music label p2p vendettas. It'd frighten off a lot of iTunes people who've got less than "legal" music in their collection.

The feature seems more like Amazon's people who bought this also bought/recommendations. It's opt in anyhow.
 
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