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Sensamic

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I think in time even 2TB won't be enough, considering how many games occupy 50GB.

I know 2TB is possible, but does anyone know if a 3TB 2.5 drive can also be installed inside the PS4 slim?

Also, is it possible to delete the PlayStation room app? What's for?

I've got my new PS4 slim for over a week and I'm quite happy. Are there more apps apart from the main ones I see in the menu? There doesn't seem to be too many.

Thanks!
 

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I think in time even 2TB won't be enough, considering how many games occupy 50GB.

I know 2TB is possible, but does anyone know if a 3TB 2.5 drive can also be installed inside the PS4 slim?

Also, is it possible to delete the PlayStation room app? What's for?

I've got my new PS4 slim for over a week and I'm quite happy. Are there more apps apart from the main ones I see in the menu? There doesn't seem to be too many.

Thanks!

I believe the problem with drives over 2TB is the size of them. They are all taller than the 9.5mm we have for space in our PS4's meaning the only drives we can get greater than 2TB to fit would be SSD's and you can imagine the price of a 4TB SSD (around $1500).
 
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I believe the problem with drives over 2TB is the size of them. They are all taller than the 9.5mm we have for space in our PS4's meaning the only drives we can get greater than 2TB to fit would be SSD's and you can imagine the price of a 4TB SSD (around $1500).
Thanks MRU!

That's a shame. I really really hate having to worry about memory space.

I know 2TB is huge, but still, I'm new to the PS4 and didn't know every game installs in the hard drive, and some are as huge as 50GB.

That's a huge plus for the Xbox One. All I would have to do is use an external hard drive and don't worry.
 
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Thanks MRU!

That's a shame. I really really hate having to worry about memory space.

I know 2TB is huge, but still, I'm new to the PS4 and didn't know every game installs in the hard drive, and some are as huge as 50GB.

That's a huge plus for the Xbox One. All I would have to do is use an external hard drive and don't worry.
No I am with you. I have maxed out my 2tb numerous occasions resulting in me having to delete content to put new on.

What I don't understand is Sony's reluctance to allow us to use external HDD for game storage / playback. Works great for Xbox One, there is no reason it shouldn't be same with Sony's PS4.
 
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I'm actually debating these days whether to change to the Xbox One S for this reason among others.
 

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I'm actually debating these days whether to change to the Xbox One S for this reason among others.
There are workarounds for old PS4 such as the databank peripherals even if they are ugly and unelegant, but not for slim or pro ..
 

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There are workarounds for old PS4 such as the databank peripherals even if they are ugly and unelegant, but not for slim or pro ..
Yeah, I saw that yesterday on YouTube. I really like the ability to use two external hard drives in the Xbox One S + the bluray UHD drive + backwards compatibility and other stuff. But I like the PS4 games better and that controller and would really like to buy the VR later.
 
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Thanks MRU!

That's a shame. I really really hate having to worry about memory space.

I know 2TB is huge, but still, I'm new to the PS4 and didn't know every game installs in the hard drive, and some are as huge as 50GB.

That's a huge plus for the Xbox One. All I would have to do is use an external hard drive and don't worry.
Sadly 50GB isn't the highest they go. I believe the highest I've heard of so far is around 100GB for the latest Call of Duty with the remaster of Modern Warfare. But once patches and DLC are installed, the number climbs, Battlefield 4 fully patched with all DLC is around 80GB if I recall correctly...

I just upgraded to a 2TB, and would definitely push others to do the same.


No I am with you. I have maxed out my 2tb numerous occasions resulting in me having to delete content to put new on.

What I don't understand is Sony's reluctance to allow us to use external HDD for game storage / playback. Works great for Xbox One, there is no reason it shouldn't be same with Sony's PS4.
I truly hope that I am wrong about this, but I think it has to do with their filesystem. Whereas the Xbox One uses NTFS, the PS4 uses FAT32 for external drives and something different for its internal. At least that is what I have heard, have never attempted connecting an external drive to the system. Would love it if Sony would hurry up and announce that you can use an external drive for game installs though. At the very least whether it was possible.
 
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Sadly 50GB isn't the highest they go. I believe the highest I've heard of so far is around 100GB for the latest Call of Duty with the remaster of Modern Warfare. But once patches and DLC are installed, the number climbs, Battlefield 4 fully patched with all DLC is around 80GB if I recall correctly...

I just upgraded to a 2TB, and would definitely push others to do the same.



I truly hope that I am wrong about this, but I think it has to do with their filesystem. Whereas the Xbox One uses NTFS, the PS4 uses FAT32 for external drives and something different for its internal. At least that is what I have heard, have never attempted connecting an external drive to the system. Would love it if Sony would hurry up and announce that you can use an external drive for game installs though. At the very least whether it was possible.
Yep, Doom with patches is 75 Gb and Elder Scrolls Online is 80+ GB, Batman Arkham Knight is 77 GB with patches & DLC .... It's insane tbh.
 

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Yep, Doom with patches is 75 Gb and Elder Scrolls Online is 80+ GB, Batman Arkham Knight is 77 GB with patches & DLC .... It's insane tbh.
Don't tell me that about Arkham Knight... Haven't gotten it yet.

How insane will file sizes be come the next generation? Will we be looking at 100GB as standard size per game? Internet providers are going to have a love/hate relationship with gamers. Us having to pay for more data than your cap allows, but hearing complaints about speeds/caps.
 
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I truly hope that I am wrong about this, but I think it has to do with their filesystem. Whereas the Xbox One uses NTFS, the PS4 uses FAT32 for external drives and something different for its internal. At least that is what I have heard, have never attempted connecting an external drive to the system. Would love it if Sony would hurry up and announce that you can use an external drive for game installs though. At the very least whether it was possible.

PS4 also supports ExFat.
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Don't tell me that about Arkham Knight... Haven't gotten it yet.

How insane will file sizes be come the next generation? Will we be looking at 100GB as standard size per game? Internet providers are going to have a love/hate relationship with gamers. Us having to pay for more data than your cap allows, but hearing complaints about speeds/caps.

You could maybe do a back up and only restore your less commonly played games as needed. This way you wouldn't be reliant on your internet provider for downloaded games.
 
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PS4 also supports ExFat.
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You could maybe do a back up and only restore your less commonly played games as needed. This way you wouldn't be reliant on your internet provider for downloaded games.
Glad to hear about exFAT support.

With backing up to an external, you are able to pick and choose what you restore? I hadn't looked into the process too much, but my understanding of the one screen was it performs an all or nothing back up and restore. If you can pick and choose, then it is closer to Xbox One's system. Clunkier for sure, but not as bad as I expected.
 

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Glad to hear about exFAT support.

With backing up to an external, you are able to pick and choose what you restore? I hadn't looked into the process too much, but my understanding of the one screen was it performs an all or nothing back up and restore. If you can pick and choose, then it is closer to Xbox One's system. Clunkier for sure, but not as bad as I expected.

Not sure to be honest, however I read that online somewhere.

I've done that to saved game states on Sonys cloud. Just restore what I want to play as I needed it.

Typically I haven't found it to be a problem though just because I cycle between 3-4 titles I'm playing. Have a few that I'm not but still weary about deleting and have a couple I know I'll never play again. But I don't need to worry about data caps (yet) so I haven't given it much thought.
 
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When I backed up switching to the pro it allows you to select what you want to back up.

It does not on the other end allow what you want to restore inside that backup.

So you may need to back up incremental and make a note of the backup name / date.

It's still inelegant...
 
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s0nicpr0s

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Just as a heads up to you @Sensamic, Sony has just announced that they will be supporting external drives in future update 4.50. They are currently releasing it to some beta testers, but I would expect it to release by April to the general public. Not as elegant as an internal only solution, but will give you as much space as you will need for a while.
 
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Sensamic

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Just as a heads up to you @Sensamic, Sony has just announced that they will be supporting external drives in future update 4.50. They are currently releasing it to some beta testers, but I would expect it to release by April to the general public. Not as elegant as an internal only solution, but will give you as much space as you will need for a while.
Yeah, I found out today thanks to @MRU. Awesome awesome news!

I was really debating whether to jump to the Xbox One S because of the external HDD support. I prefer the PS4 exclusive games, but I know I'm gonna keep this PS4 for a long time and try a lot of games when they become cheaper, and I really reaaaaaaaally don't want to have to worry about space, ever.

I dealt with storage issues in my previous phone for a year until I finally bought one with microSD support, so it's something I don't want to have to worry about again, specially when these games are huge.

I actually didn't know that every game installs on the hard drive before buying the PS4. I thought it was like with the PS3.

Anyway, it's really awesome to get this only a month after buying my PS4!!
 
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