is it possible to upgrade ssd on rmbp 2015?

AFR25

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i consider, is it possible to upgrade ssd on rmbp 2015?
 

T5BRICK

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i consider, is it possible to upgrade ssd on rmbp 2015?
It's removable, but uses a nonstandard interface. As another poster already pointed out, OWC sells a 3rd party option, but it's slow and expensive. You could possibly find a OEM Apple SSD on eBay.

Anyway. The best option is to buy the computer you need.
 

Spink10

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Not everyone has the money upfront to buy the greatest specs.
I think he is just trying to give good financial advise...if you don't have the money for the upgrade then maybe you should wait or not purchase machine at all. Obviously they can be situations that require to purchase a certain with a very limited budget...but in general great advice!
 

tubeexperience

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Then buy the computer that suits your needs and falls within your budget.
I think he is just trying to give good financial advise...if you don't have the money for the upgrade then maybe you should wait or not purchase machine at all. Obviously they can be situations that require to purchase a certain with a very limited budget...but in general great advice!
Or, you know... buy now, upgrade later when you have the money.
 

T5BRICK

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Or, you know... buy now, upgrade later when you have the money.
If the computer that suits your needs is upgradeable, that's good advice. I don't really consider the rMBP to be upgradeable(and I'm pretty sure you don't either).

I, personally, wouldn't risk my money on a eBay SSD. I don't know where it came from. I don't know if it has been damaged. It may or may not have warranty. To me, it's just not worth it.
 

tubeexperience

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If the computer that suits your needs is upgradeable, that's good advice. I don't really consider the rMBP to be upgradeable(and I'm pretty sure you don't either).
What do you mean? The SSD is held by a single screw and is easily upgradable.

I, personally, wouldn't risk my money on a eBay SSD. I don't know where it came from. I don't know if it has been damaged. It may or may not have warranty. To me, it's just not worth it.
In that case, you can buy the SSD from a different source.

Im needing a financial advisor - can you help? I guess we just disagree on what is the best options...which is fine. :)
Please give all your money to Trump so he can lose in a "smaller" landslide.
 

T5BRICK

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What do you mean? The SSD is held by a single screw and is easily upgradable.
You're going to make me quote you, huh? :rolleyes:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...k-pros-not-upgradeable.1960895/#post-22663617

The real reason is that Apple want the most of your money out the door so Apple made it non-upgradable.
In that case, you can buy the SSD from a different source.
Please point me to a source where I can buy a 1TB OEM Apple SSD with a full 1 year warranty, that is cheaper than just buying the rMBP that suits your needs.
 

tubeexperience

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I was talking about the memory which is soldered.

I want 16 GB memory for my rMBP, but I can't upgrade the memory. :(

Please point me to a source where I can buy a 1TB OEM Apple SSD with a full 1 year warranty, that is cheaper than just buying the rMBP that suits your needs.
Some sellers on eBay provide 180 days warranty, which is generous compared to the 90 days warranty that Apple provides with replacement parts.
 
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Samuelsan2001

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As I previously said, not everybody has the money or want to spend that much upfront.
It's been 4 years, I know that apples lack of upgradeability is killing your business fixing and upgrading macs but you knew it was coming.

You don't have to constantly bang on about it here we all know your views on the subject and they are fair, but ultimately don't help anyone.

Sure point out to potential buyers that the ram is soldered and the SSD is difficult and expensive to upgrade, but currently the most cost effective way of having the SSD size you want in your rMBP is to buy it with the size you want.

That may not be what you want it may not be what other people want but that is the reality of the situation and moaning on and on about it isn't going to change that.
 

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but their drives tend to be very expensive and significantly slower than what came with your Mac.
I read somewhere, that these OWC drives use a RAID controller to save money which is why they're a little slower, but also TRIM does not work and also I read (I forget where), that bootcamp won't be available on these drives because of the chipsets.

I can't verify that last claim, but I did want to put it out there, in case the OP has some bootcamp plans.

Personally, I think the ebay option of buying it used is a safer bet
 

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I read somewhere, that these OWC drives use a RAID controller to save money which is why they're a little slower, but also TRIM does not work and also I read (I forget where), that bootcamp won't be available on these drives because of the chipsets.

I can't verify that last claim, but I did want to put it out there, in case the OP has some bootcamp plans.
- All correct. But OWC reportedly did release some sort of software hack to make Bootcamp work on them after their release.
They also don't support SMART due to the weird SATA RAID configuration.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/05/19/owc-releases-boot-camp-enabler-ssds/
 

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- All correct. But OWC reportedly did release some sort of software hack to make Bootcamp work on them after their release.
They also don't support SMART due to the weird SATA RAID configuration.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/05/19/owc-releases-boot-camp-enabler-ssds/
Thanks for the info, that's good to know. While it may be "hack" it only needs to allow the drive to be partitioned it seems so after its installed, I think you may be good to go.

As for SMART, does that really matter for SSDs?
 

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Thanks for the info, that's good to know. While it may be "hack" it only needs to allow the drive to be partitioned it seems so after its installed, I think you may be good to go.

As for SMART, does that really matter for SSDs?
- Yes, there's no reason to think the hack doesn't work properly with Bootcamp. But one would have preferred if it weren't necessary in the first place.

SMART probably isn't essential, and neither is TRIM or high speed, strictly, but when it all comes together it just adds up to product that really cuts too many corners, I think.

As I remarked in another thread:
It's basically two SATA SSDs on a blade set up with a RAID controller and then a PCIe connector slapped on. As a result, no TRIM, no Bootcamp, probably no FileVault, and horrendous speeds compared to an Apple SSD.
 
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SMART probably isn't essential, and neither is TRIM or high speed, strictly, but when it all comes together it just adds up to product that really cuts too many corners, I think.
I agree with you completely, individually, the lack of features is not a how stopper, but combined, it raises a red flag - at least in terms of getting value for your money. I think the ebay/used SSD option is a better choice.
 
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tubeexperience

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It's been 4 years, I know that apples lack of upgradeability is killing your business fixing and upgrading macs but you knew it was coming.
Your devotion to a brand blinds you and hence why you make ludicrous assumptions about my own personal gains.

When memory was upgradable, people upgrade the memory themselves and it doesn't make much difference to me.

Now with the rMBP, the battery is glued to the top case and people don't know how to change it, so they paid me to do it for them.

You don't have to constantly bang on about it here we all know your views on the subject and they are fair, but ultimately don't help anyone.
Is this thread not about whether the SSD is upgradable or not? I think that it is!

Sure point out to potential buyers that the ram is soldered and the SSD is difficult and expensive to upgrade, but currently the most cost effective way of having the SSD size you want in your rMBP is to buy it with the size you want.
...and as I said previously, not everyone can afford the biggest SSD that he/she want on initial purchase.

That may not be what you want it may not be what other people want but that is the reality of the situation and moaning on and on about it isn't going to change that.
If you look into the mirror, you'll see someone moaning.
 
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Fishrrman

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Haven't heard back from the OP, I think the bickering scared him away.

OP:
Re your question:
"is it possible to upgrade ssd on rmbp 2015?"

Yes, it -IS- "possible", but it won't be cheap and the available solutions aren't the best.

You can buy the OWC replacement, but I understand it runs slower and hotter than the original.

Or, you can look for a -used- Apple-labeled drive on ebay.
Don't expect too good a price, however.
These ARE NOT available "new", at any price.

Really, your best option (in my opinion) is to become more critical of what you keep on the MacBook you have now, and "get rid of the excess".
If you need to carry some "additional stuff" around with you, get a pre-packaged USB3 external SSD, something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00ZTRY532?tag=delt-20
...and plug it in when needed.

Unfortunately, this is the trend now with Apple.
Storage is no longer [easily] upgradeable.
If you're going to need "more storage" over the long run, you've got to "pay Apple's price" up front at original purchase time.
 

friedkimchi

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Just curious, what are the R/W speeds on the OWC ssds? Current SATA SSDs max out at 550 MB/s. NVME is at 2500 MB/s?

Apple's seems to be around 1000 MB/s? For regular users that rarely transfer files continously like video files/large image files, the difference in speeds seems negligible? Do boot times get faster?
 

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