Never had one so I wouldn't know but I'm curious...since the surface pro is tablet ish, why can't it be used as a tablet? What are the down sides?
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iPad Pro Is it the Future of Computing?
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A valid question. When I had one It would work fine as a tablet, the weight and size was the issue compare to the iPad Air. Same issues the iPad pro has compared to an air.
Maybe some people want iOS for the tablet experience and find using a desktop OS awkward on a tablet .
As usual you misunderstood my post and get defensive about it. I said nothing, nor suggested any of the sort.
There's no way I would give up my rMBP and retina iMac for just the pro. For me, it's only for consumption. I can't imagine myself sitting here doing homework or something on it. The computer is wonderful for bigger tasks. The pro is great for travel and entertainment (for me). I'll keep my MBP and iMac, will happily give up the pro if needed!
Three problems from my time with the Surface Pro (admittedly only the first 3 versions, haven't played with an SP4 yet):
1) Apps that basically ignore touch-first with "meh, it works, and if not, they have a mouse". This tends to make the keyboard cover required rather than optional.
2) The virtual keyboard in Windows is just a horrible experience. It's like the Windows folks looked at the Windows Phone keyboard and said, "You know, that keyboard works fine, let's ignore it and learn nothing from it, and make a new one without understanding what makes a keyboard good or bad." This also tends to make the keyboard cover more than just an optional accessory.
3) The thickness and weight of the SP3, with the not-really-optional keyboard cover just make it unwieldy. I'd still take an iPad Pro over the Surface Pro if using it for tablet cases. It isn't that much worse, but it is still worse. The larger screen actually makes certain apps a bit more unwieldy as well (iPad Pro has the same issue, see Pocket which winds up using HUGE runs of text per line, making it less comfortable to read on).
The first two complaints are the big ones for me. An app experience which is not really touch friendly (and an app store that is basically barren of good touch-first apps), and a virtual keyboard that makes me want to re-attach the keyboard cover. The fact that I prefer a 10" tablet just puts the final nail in the coffin. (Oh, and the original Surface RT which decided to use a 16:9 resolution, turning it into a nice lever in your hands was awesome)
How about coding websites, doing artwork, maybe editing video, writing journalistic pieces, drawing blueprints for construction?
I think you are spot on. Everything is moving to the cloud. And fast.
I just recently went from a big enterprise environment to a startup company. Everything is on the cloud. Its all Google services and cloud applications. The only real legacy program I need to use is PowerPoint or Excel for really large and complex spreadsheets.
I quickly discovered that it really does not matter what device I'm using - either if its my own or the company provided machine - Mac, PC, iPad, Android, Chromebook - I can use any at my own whim depending on the use case, some are better than others, but the point being that the hardware you choose is not that important anymore as even the most basic of mobile devices can get most of your work done.
I actually have both right now trying them out. The surface is ok (not great) as a laptop. Really bad as a tablet. There's simply not much I like about any windows metro apps or whatever you want to call them. Going back to desktop apps (using as a tablet) just sucks. You simply need the kb attached for that.
2. The fan. Doing the simplest thing seems to run the fan and it gets hot. Battery is sinking before my eyes.
3. No problem with size or weight. The kickstand is awesome actually. Wish the ipad had one.
4. Convenience. Ipad apps take no time at all to get to and load up. Windows takes longer. Try Hearthstone or reading comics on the surface. It's just easier on the ipad and a much smoother experience. An ipad is enjoyable to use. A surface kinda isn't.
So, sure, the surface can do much more than the ipad. But only as a mediocre laptop. The surface also lags and stutters a bit. Had to do a hard reset tonight when it wouldn't wake up. I don't use the stylus much which is probably why most get a surface.
I'd rather have a great laptop and great tablet. That's an ipad and for now, a MBP. It could easily be a dell xps though. And I'll be honest. I've been a windows user since it saw light. And DOS before that. I HATED windows 8 (windows 10 is only slightly better). I hate the direction MS was going in. I hate they changed the defaults for music, video, etc to those silly metro apps. I hate the whole tiles UI. I still need a program like Start8 or 10 now to make start usable for me again. But yeah, damn, I used to first in line to get new windows or office versions. I teach Office classes, especially Excel and have done windows sessions for CPE credit for CPA's.
Windows 8 is what got me to buy a Mac. It didn't hurt I was an iphone user and Apple was bringing over iOS features to the Mac either. I can't really see switch back. I have windows on the Mac for what I need it for (and that's quite a few things) At work, I still use a windows laptop. But it's their laptop, not mine.
That all said, I'm not sure I want the ipad pro either. It's a big, mean, ipad. Killer screen and speakers. But maybe overkill for what I use an ipad for. I'm not much for a stylus. But yet I want to wait and try the Pencil I'll get this week.
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As usual you misunderstood my post and get defensive about it. I said nothing, nor suggested any of the sort.
My apologies to you sir, in that case. Please join in the debate about the SP4 v iPad pro and contribute.
My KB case arrives today, have the pencil, having owned the SP3, looking forward to comparing the experience
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For me personally it is. I have an iPhone and the iPad Pro for all my uses. I use the phone for taking pictures and calling people. The iPP does just about everything else. Can it replace everything? No not quite yet, but it is possible it could for most... Especially as we head into better more capable tablet/laptop hybrids.
But for major companies and movie/animation studios... NO.... they need computers, and what they offer that tablets can't quite do. Also the government needs giant reliable servers and computers to run efficiently (well when they actually do run things efficiently) but yeah tablets can be all that many need, but not a full replacement.
Kal.
But for major companies and movie/animation studios... NO.... they need computers, and what they offer that tablets can't quite do. Also the government needs giant reliable servers and computers to run efficiently (well when they actually do run things efficiently) but yeah tablets can be all that many need, but not a full replacement.
Kal.
Blue prints as in for buildingings? What app has the full desktop class capabilities on the iPad pro ? And by desktop and talking about apps that are as powerful as Autocad, Microstation, autodesk revit, you know..the programs that professionals like myself use day to day to actually get sh** done and designed, documentation and eventually constructed?
It's a bit of an insult really to even compare such watered down apps to what we actually use
Yep
the iPad is a great device. Truly. But too many see it as more than consumption. Its a subset of a full OS
Ipad pro vs Laptop makes me see red!
Yes, I've used Citrix. When implemented properly on a network that has the bandwidth for it, it's not that bad. Have you ever used Google Apps? That's probably a better example.
Sounds like you have a specific set of needs that wouldn't be satisfied by an iPad Pro. They also probably wouldn't be satisfied by any of the Windows devices in the $300-or-less row of laptops at Best Buy, but for some reason people seem to have no qualms about those. There will always be niche professions with specific software requirements that iPads, Chromebooks, and $200 Dell Windows laptops just aren't going to cut it for.
First off, I have to ask: why? Does it really matter to you if some folks are fine replacing their laptops with iPads?
Some people can and are using it for more than consumption, myself included. Why is it so hard to accept that just because it's not right for you that it can be right for someone else? Try to expand your thinking beyond your own limited perspectives and accept that other people have different needs than you do and can maybe actually do quite a bit with their iPads (or Chromebooks or cheap laptops or what-have-you).
It seems that Eddie Cue thinks otherwise
Also if its more then a content consumption product, why would you get upset about the IPP vs. Laptop comparisons, because at that point people will make that comparison since they're looking for a solution that best fits their content creation needs - perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point though
I didn't like the tile ui. It doesnt have as many apps as Im used to. It was oddly hard to find my way around and I ultimately would just revert to regular Windows mode after awhile. So when I use a Surface I just use that now as best I can. The screen feels too small for my tastes but some things like excel and accounting softwares are just better on regular Windows devices imo.
It is what you make it. OSX is a subset of iOS. It has no touch or pencil support. Where is the dedicated hulu, fb, and netflix apps? They both have dedicated design music video document email software.
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