Is iTunes necessary now that iCloud is here?

Discussion in 'Apple Music, Apple Pay, iCloud, Apple Services' started by Cue, Jun 25, 2011.

  1. Cue macrumors regular

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    Primarily focusing in the apps.

    Have around 600 apps on my Macbook Pro, using ~30Gb of space.
    With the ability to view and download any past purchases on the iPhone, wondering if it makes sense to just get rid of it and save the space.
     
  2. Bear macrumors G3

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    How many of those apps do you still have on the iPhone? At the very least I would trim it down to the ones you still keep on the phone. This works well for me as I can download updates for the Apps I'm using and then sync them to my iPod Touch.
     
  3. Cue thread starter macrumors regular

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    Thanks for the reply Bear :)
    So I guess that works for you without any issues or missing anything.

    Only 63 on the iPhone. Why not update them right on the iPhone/iPod touch?
     
  4. Fresh Tendrils, Jun 25, 2011
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    I'm in the same situation as you. About 30GB of apps on a 160GB MBP. If you do decide to remove the apps from your mbp, just make sure that you go into itunes preferences first and unselect automatically sync apps. I forgot to do this when I deleted a load of Gameloft and EA games from my mbp. Unfortunately, for some reason itunes decides without your prompting to remove these apps from your device. Doh! Of course you can still download the apps through the itunes store on your device, but the game data will be lost [I think]. Luckily though I realised what itunes was doing while it was deleting the first app from my ipod. So I stopped the sync and only lost Assassin's Creed data, and I hadn't played many levels of this game anyway. Hopefully they update itunes so that it doesnt automatically delete apps from your device.
     
  5. Bear macrumors G3

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    Three reasons...

    Once you're down to only the Apps on your phone, it's actually quicker to use iTunes to go through the updates and download them.

    And if you ever need to do a reinstall of all the apps, it's much quicker if you have them on your computer. And allows recovery if the download service is having issues. Remember this feature is essentially still new.

    And lastly, it changes what your iTunes will sync automatically and I find it's nice to be able to grab a new app while at my computer and let the next sync grab it.
     
  6. Cyacene macrumors member

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    I have deleted all my apps from iTunes. Cleared up 25GB's and everything works fine.

    If you need the space, I say do it!
     
  7. eah2119 macrumors regular

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    It seems that Apple will (or at least should) allow it as an option to "sync" the apps that are on your iOS devices to iTunes on your Mac(s). I mean, it would only make sense. You don't need them on there as you won't be syncing to your Mac anymore with the release of iCloud. As mentioned by Jobs in the keynote, the cloud is a replacement to the central hub that your PC acts as.

    Every time I think about this iCloud stuff, I can't imagine how they ever did it. Think about how much could go wrong. What if they don't have enough "clouds?" It must be a very complex system. Although, by the keynote demos, it seems lightning fast.
     
  8. Icaras, Jun 26, 2011
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    Syncing over a wire has been the norm for over a decade now, but I actually thinking going completely wireless will be more convenient. Also, iOS5 will introduce wireless syncing, and assuming you're running a wireless N network, it should be plenty fast.

    Having a local backup of your apps is a definite failsafe in case iCloud ever goes down, but this is directly addressing the OP's concern over local storage limitations. Think about the future as well, as the next iPhone 5 is already rumored to have 64GB of space. As local storage on iOS devices continue to grow, I personally think that it will be less important to keep local copies of your Apps on your Mac's iTunes library. As Steve Jobs pointed out in the keynote, they've now basically demoted the Mac and PC to just a "device".

    I think we're continuously heading to a more elegant solution with iCloud: have only local copies of Apps on your iOS devices...You're backup is essentially the iTunes servers from Apple and your purchase history. As for all your app data, that will simply be backed-up to iCloud automatically. If trusting in the cloud wholly is an issue and you still have the need for local redundancy, of course nothing's stopping the user from still backing up to iTunes on their machine, and come iOS5, you can do this all wirelessly, which will be very convenient.

    So, yea, if you want to save space (not to mention wire clutter), this is something I think I would definitely consider myself. In fact, it's already got me thinking about how to best manage my Apps as well once iCloud officially hits. I think the system is maturing well enough to start safely thinking about getting rid of local content.
     
  9. xStatiCa macrumors regular

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    For heavy users of apps I don't think this will work so well. From my testing a backup on iCloud was 3.5 GB of data. That does not include the 20 GB of apps I have on the ipad. It is only the backup of the user portion of that data. Yes I have a lot of apps and a lot of data in those apps. Do you realize how long it would take to restore that over the internet? I finally just deleted the backup and disabled iCloud backup. I am now back to backing up with iTunes on the Mac/PC for backup.

    I still get the synced bookmarks, photo stream, etc. I just get the backup and restore from the Mac/PC. I can still use wireless backup to iTunes so I still like the improvements.

    If someone doesn't have a bunch of apps and not much data in those apps iCloud backup would be manageable. For those with a lot of apps though iCloud I have a feeling will not be usable because nobody will want to wait 8 hours for a restore.

    Btw... With even the old iOS 4 I had about 2500 apps I owned through iTunes. When using windows I had to start deleting them around 1100 or 1200 apps because iTunes slowed down tremendously when viewing the app properties window in iTunes for the device. The Mac performed much better in that area but I still try to keep my total apps to around 1000 in iTunes now.
     
  10. Goldfrapp macrumors 601

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    I never keep apps on my Mac that are not on my iPhone. Why even bother? App Store saves your entire purchase history + it conveniently displays the "INSTALL" button for the apps you've purchased before, thus making them re-downloadable unlimited times gratis.
     
  11. xStatiCa macrumors regular

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    Or until Apple decide to pull the app for some obscure reason.
     
  12. Icaras macrumors 603

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    So iCloud actually backs up the entire App? I know it lists "Apps" as one of the items it backs up on Apple's iCloud page, but I don't understand why. It should just backup the names of the Apps and App data and point the backup to the iTunes server where all the Apps are stored anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't reduce unnecessary redundancy for the user and save dramatically on iCloud space?

    I'm really looking forward to wifi sync.

    Yea, doesn't sound practical.

    Yea, this is awesome and I'm considering going this route, but the way iCloud stores all the Apps like xStatiCa mentions seems really inconvenient if you happen to get a new phone and need to restore. I hope they offer a better solution than backing up everything.
     
  13. xStatiCa macrumors regular

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    That is incorrect. iCloud backs up data only like I said. Re-read what I said. That 3.5 GB is only the user data not the apps themselves. The apps themselves are not backed up. The backup just stores the list of apps just like an iTunes sync except I assume the apps would be restored from the AppStore/iCloud.
     
  14. Icaras macrumors 603

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    Sorry, yes I misread that. Wow, that's quite a bit of data. I have over 10 GBs of iPhone Apps, and my local backup of my iPhone on my Mac only reads about half a gig to a gig.

    Regardless though, I agree that restoring that many gigs over icloud would still be ridiculously long.
     
  15. JonHimself macrumors 68000

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    Under optimal conditions, after an initial set-up of your phone/media library, iTunes would be significantly reduced and there are several things that could happen that could make the software even less relavent.
    Optimal conditions are that you have only apps and music and all of that music was purchased from the iTunes Store. After the initial sync with iTunes, matching your tracks with iTunes In The Cloud and setting up all of your address book, calendar, mail syncing, iTunes would hardly need to be used. You can buy all of your music on the phone (which would be available should you choose to open iTunes). If you needed to restore the phone/got a new phone, the initial set-up would be done on the phone, all of your app data would be pulled in from the cloud backup and all of your music would be available to be downloaded on the phone.
    If you don't fit into that category (as I suspect many won't), using the iTunes Match service would also help. Adding new music (via CDs, purchases from other stores, torrents) would still have to be done through iTunes but would afterwards be available via iTunes Match.
    Another issue would be video, however if iTunes In The Cloud/iTunes Match also gets moved to TV shows/movies then it becomes less of an issue.
    Even within the house, if/when the iTunes In The Cloud allows for a streaming option, all of your video/music would be available via the AppleTV without having to keep a computer on/iTunes running. Of course this creates bandwidth concerns, but if getting rid of (and/or minimizing the use of) iTunes is your ultimate goal, it would at least be possible.... maybe not ideal, but the more accessible our data becomes without being tethered to a main computer/software within our house, the less and less relavent I could see iTunes becoming for some people.
     
  16. 81Tiger04 macrumors 6502

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    Similar question I think ... Once you "upload" your music to the cloud, do you still need it on your computer? Can you now remove it since it is being stored in the cloud?
     
  17. paulsalter macrumors 68000

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    If you want and are happy to just download from the cloud all the time to listen to it

    I personally dont see the benefit, why would I want to delete/re download music to listen to at home when it is already stored in iTunes

    Also not sure on this, but what happens when your App/Music is not available on iTunes anymore, If you havent got a local copy you have lost it
     
  18. rikscha macrumors 6502a

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    I will wait for icloud to become official and then delete all my apps in itunes. I don't really see the point saving the apps in my itunes library.
    icloud is a welcome addition to iOS and will help to slim down my library. I have around 5GB of apps and they are just lying around on my HDD.
     
  19. maclaptop macrumors 65816

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    You are 100% correct and Apple frequently removes apps AND books. I know I learned the hard way. I lost 12 books I purchased. Apple couldn't care less about screwing us over. Now I buy from other sources and have created my own backup via my own server. The sad fact is who Apple has become, where once they DID care about their customers.
     

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